Russian Liberal Opposition

calripson wrote:It is very easy to stamp out protests like this. Just take the example of America where literally one half of the electorate felt the election was a scam. Look how easily the powers that be scattered the pro-Trump demonstrators. Nothing like federal jail time and large fines to put the fear of God into the "deplorables". Try to get a job or have a future in America with a criminal record. Real consequences. Want to fight the US DOJ? Good luck. 98% conviction rate in cases that go to trial - a rate that would make Stalin proud. I know of one guy who beat a federal rap and it cost him multiple millions in legal fees. You have a spare $5MM sitting around for lawyers? And that was a white collar case - for "domestic terrorism" or "agent of influence of a foreign power" good luck hiring those high powered lawyers...you'll find they are all suddenly "conflicted" and can't take the case. Clearly in the case of Russia the protestors don't fear the repercussions. That is a fatal flaw of any government.

flamming_python wrote:Protests are good

It's Navalny that's the problem. All these Soros technologies, neo-lib economic policies and ties to Western intelligence.
He's an enemy and of course the only people that would come out for him are the clueless youth.

It's neccessary to start flooding the protests with Soviet and commie flags, start to change their character, and then once a critical mass has been reached conduct subversive activity and agitation amongst the clientele. Then more ordinary people will start to get behind the protest movement too and the Navalnites and their leader can be sidelined.

LMFS wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Protests are good

It's Navalny that's the problem. All these Soros technologies, neo-lib economic policies and ties to Western intelligence.
He's an enemy and of course the only people that would come out for him are the clueless youth.

It's neccessary to start flooding the protests with Soviet and commie flags, start to change their character, and then once a critical mass has been reached conduct subversive activity and agitation amongst the clientele. Then more ordinary people will start to get behind the protest movement too and the Navalnites and their leader can be sidelined.

Commies and their allergy to stability & development are a thing to behold, protests in the moment where Russia is better than never after their ilk destroyed the country are good, agitation is the right thing to do when a hot war vs. the West is brewing. Such thought is what labels you as an enemy of the state and in a similar situation in the thirties of the last century would have got you in the gulag in Stalin's  USSR

In the real world communist party is supporting Navalny and his CIA sponsored demonstrations, apart from having a wealthy, treacherous leadership and having handed Russia the worst tragedies and defeats worse than a big war in the past century, plus an epic territorial loss and creation of hostile limitrophe nationalism on top of it. In the end what you really want is to destroy the state, so you will always ally with foreign enemies as you have always done, the same now you ally with Nazis and CIA just to create subversive "critical mass" and further your main goal which is the fall of the Russian government. After all is destroyed you will scavenge some bones, that is good enough for you no matter most of Russians will suffer the consequences, in the end the nation is a capitalist concept and needs to be destroyed isn't it?

flamming_python wrote:Don't remember commies agitating for the break-up of the USSR, privatization, separatist conflicts and all the rest of it.

And yeah, now we have 'stability', but not a great situation for those masses who had the rug swept from beneath their feet in the 90s.

But I'm not agitating for the break-up or destabilization of Russia. Far from it. Simply a rethink of the legislation, economy and many other changes made by Yeltsin, that Grandmaster Putin of da People hasn't put right. To achieve that first it's neccessary to show one's strength. And at the same time it will serve to undermine the actual 5th column opposition and convert it into a productive one.

As for the KPRF, I hardly care about them. It's enough to start waving Soviet flags and the right people will find each other.

Maximmmm wrote:

FBK literally in bed with MI6. Why this is only released now and why they're not all behind bars is a travesty.

LMFS wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Don't remember commies agitating for the break-up of the USSR, privatization, separatist conflicts and all the rest of it.

No need to agitate, commies did that themselves...

Only a 12-fold reduction in poverty levels, Russian women stopped prostituting themselves in the West long time ago if you didn't notice. Plus sovereignty recovered plus national security restored plus disintegration of the state stopped plus constitutional changes plus round-up of the 5th column plus restoring of the industry plus... you try to keep you argument in the face of facts as per customary communist dogmatism, no surprises here.

The same that is happening, only at the speed that reality allows without rocking the boat beyond what can be controlled and beneficial. But to appreciate that stable, determined long term trend you actually need to have longer memories than a fish and not being allergic to anything non-communist.

LOL, leftists and their million doctrinal currents and sects are always funny to watch

Maximmmm wrote:

FBK literally in bed with MI6. Why this is only released now and why they're not all behind bars is a travesty.

Tsavo Lion wrote:The catch is that there r no decent/good paying jobs outside of gov. anyway.
There is also big shortage of labor force- if more folks r outside of it, more migrants will fill their place, increasing discontent & crime.

Maximmmm wrote:

FBK literally in bed with MI6. Why this is only released now and why they're not all behind bars is a travesty.

kvs wrote:I do not think that this is an RT exclusive.   Russian MSM covers a lot of subjects and lets anti-Russian nutjobs openly
state their "case".   It is now rather clear that state censorship of the news is self-defeating.   Russia's maligned
"state run" media is more open and balanced than the bulk of western media.

In fact, we saw exactly how the western media operates via the situation in Russia during the 1990s.   Journalists were
oligarch guns for hire.   A rather trivial case of "he who pays the piper calls the tune" but somehow lost on millions of
credulous people who think that objectivity and independence grow on trees.   So you can bet your last penny that
that the western media is just a polished version of the 1990s rot seen in Russia.   The full bore attack on Trump over
the last 5 years is also evidence of this.   The so-called western "free media" is a mouthpiece for its owners.   And
those owners are not subject to any selection by vote and do not represent the public.  

flamming_python wrote:Sorry, don't recall that.

They undid some of the damage they did. Great

But I'm not calling for destabilization, again. I'm talking about a civic protest that puts pressure for socialist reforms.
And now's the time to do it because there's never a right time, and there will never be a time when the West doesn't want to overthrow Russia; but that's not an excuse for stopping the country from evolving.

Nope, I see only further negative trends in terms of laws, legislation, the social course of the country.

In terms of economics, I'm certainly all for the investments in education, healthcare, the military, mass housing, agriculture, reindustrialization that the government is doing. But they're ignoring a lot of other things and all forms of feedback from the citizenry to the government are a joke.

Nothing to do with doctrine or sects

The KPRF is simply a worker's aristrocracy and led by a dinosaur; and not through accident. It's not a party that can mobilize anything. But certainly a lot of its members have their own opinion.

Hole wrote:The video has been shown with english subtitles on RT international.

Funny that some people still believe the shit that this unimportant blogger was poisoned. He did return to the country where he was supposedly poisoned 2 or 3 or even 100 times by evil KGB spies but the Skripals, which are "save" in England, thousands of kilometres away from all this evil russians, are still in hiding. On their own request, of course. Why should the brits keep them away from TV cameras if they had something bad to say about evil Putin?

GarryB wrote:

.-they may do it later, it's not over yet!

Of course... they are waiting till the time is right...  
-it's not the 1st time, & they r good at it!

.-u'll dismiss anything I'll produce, why bother?

So far your sources have been terrible. Sources more corrupt than you even suggest Putin to be yourself.-what r ur sources? pro-Putin & pro-Trump? how objectve r they?

The schemes r being used to make $ off Russian resources, avoid taxes, buy media/sport clubs/teams/luxuries, buy/build real estate & bribe top gov. officials, as FBK videos describe in detail.

But how and why if they have putin in their pocket they don't need illegal schemes.... they can just win the juicy contracts and make money legally... no need to bribe anyone... just get Putin to tell the person in government who decides who gets the contracts to give it to you... it is not hard.-ask Khodorkovsky & few others that fled Russia after crossing Putin. He can do the same to any1 else if they stop paying him & his relatives, like the Czars did before him.  

- those laws r being twisted to keep all opposition from toppling Putin, just like Lukashenko does for decades now.

Twisted... so Navalny embezzling money..-even if he did, Putin & his clique embezzled a lot more.
They should burn Navalny at the stake, the dirty bastard.-don't act the like the judge, jury & executioner. Even if u were a judge, passing a verdict on him would be interfering in RF internal affairs, & NZ doesn't need to get into them.

A 40-year-old protester in Moscow told Reuters: "I understand that I live in a totally lawless state. In a police state, with no independent courts. In a country ruled by corruption. I would like to live differently," she said.

Poor demented cow... perhaps Zelenski will give her Ukrainian citizenship and she can be free and live life like she was in the EU.- no, she's like those E. Germans that didn't go to the FRG & in 1989 leveled the Berlin Wall instead.

In St Petersburg, Mr Putin's home city, a crowd gathered in a central square and chanted: "Down with the Tsar ."

And 400m down the street a much bigger crowd outside a McDonalds were chanting "we want ice cream".-only a retard would do that in in winter, & Russian made ice cream is better anyway. Now that u posted this troll, I have a better idea of how clueless u really r!

-he already tried to poison him twice but failed.

If he was actually that incompetent he would not be the threat to western civilisation he currently is...-he's more a threat to himself & his people now.
..which is why that faggot Navalny is getting all this attention.-he has a female wife, & it's not only about him anymore.

-his FSB makes mistakes, like any other entity.

They have killed plenty of real enemies of Russia... in comparison Navalny is a gravy stain... annoying but not worth getting the Makarov out for. ..What is your fascination with poison...-no, for another reason; as with their other killings, the FSB & by extension Putin wants to have plausible deniability; it they who r fascinated with using poisons.

.-like they did with Nemtsov who was killed near the Kremlin? U don't know what u talking about!

Thank you for mentioning him... when he was of no further use to the west they martyred him.... expect they had the same in store for the Skripals and Navalny eventually... once they are no more use they cost money to retain and being dead they would be much more useful and cheaper.- how do u know that the West did it? I thought u r smarter than believing conspiracy theories by Putin's apologists.

-where else can they feel safe from the FSB & be still close to Russia?

Of course... safe in a nest of NAZIs... they don't need to be in Russia to tell lies about Russia... Goebbels knew that...-in politics, every1 tells lies when it suits them, but if u can't read between the lines, it's not my problem.

- it was being built for him as a bribe, & he doesn't need to hold a title to it, just like with those offshore accounts that keep his $Bs under different names. The FSO (Federal Protection Service) & no fly/sail zones around it r meant to guard the top leadership; by ur logic & common sense it has no business guarding it, but it does, just in case he decides to show up, as he did, before & after it's finished.

As posted above not his and never was.-but in fact, it was meant to be; who else the FSO & the Border Guards r there for, his distant relatives & buddies? who r they kidding?

- Putin will pay for all the crap later 1 way or the other.

I suspect Trump during his second term will start a civil war so we probably will never find out.- only in ur dreams!
When asked by western media about elections in Russia most western leaders think Putin should go...-but now many Russians had enough of him to; a coup may happen soon to get rid of him.

By pressing charges, she thinks about all the others past & future victims.

By pressing charges she gets to be in the spotlight and on the western gravy train a little longer... and I am sure it makes her feel special.-she could care less about staying in the spotlight and getting on the western gravy train, as there's enough local support.

- it was commuted only after ICHR stepped in.

Wont happen this time, Russian law is no longer subject to European PC faggot interference any more...-it's being re-written on the streets now.

-by the same token, he could have stayed abroad but came back,

Sounds like he was told to leave by Germany because of some of the racist and outlandish shit he was saying publicly -could be, but he could still go to UK, Canada or the US & stay there. If he did, his career & presidential aspirations in the RF would be over, & he wouldn't be able to live with that.
Navalny stokes Putin’s fear of being overthrown
As thousands of demonstrators across Russia were protesting against the arrest of detained dissident democratic leader Alexei Navalny, Russia Today, one of the Kremlin’s propaganda TV arms, broadcast a documentary on the 2014 anti-Moscow uprising in Ukraine.

knowing he'll be arrested, not to be used by the West, but on his own agenda;

He is a western tool, that ship has sailed. -Hitler, Mao & Saddam were also such tools vs. USSR & Iran, & they all got worn out. Navalny won't be a poodle to any1.

if he was so dangerous, they would put him under house arrest, instead of letting him travel, presenting an opportunity for FSB to poison him, but big stinking shit hit the fan & blew it in their stupid faces.

So because your country has dropped the ball for you, you want to sabotage any bright future Russia might have by supporting a douche bag like Navalny.- Russia will have a better future w/o Putin, just like w/o Nicolas II, Lenin, Stalin, Khrushev, Brezhnev, Andropov, Gorbachev & Yeltsin, who each were in many ways better than their predecessors.
..to make you feel better the people of Russia need to be sold out to the west and raped like the countries the US deals with. -in fact, the system st up in Russia rapes her people more than any1 else could, short of direct mil. occupation.

- they couldn't get any permits;

If they can't get permits then it is accepted world wide that you can just then ignore the law and do as you please...  because that is how it works. -yes, if the gov. violates the trust by covering up its oligarchs' plunder, & perpetuates it with new constitution that allows the same person to stay in power longer than Brezhnev, & uses its controlled media & riot police (which btw don't even have plastic cuffs & has to twist arms, causing injuries) to intimidate, beat, & detain protesters. The gov. must be "by the people, for the people", not for Putin (irrespective of his past achievements that u praise so much) or Trump or ur Ardern.

he last 2 paragraphs r the best part

CNN? Not even going to click the link.- by keeping ur head in the sand, u got less chance of benefiting from any intelligent discussion; at least an ostrich can provide feathers & run fast.

All of them except 1 have CC & translating tool, use it or loose understanding of the true situation there.

Those sources wouldn't post anything that didn't support their slanted view... not interested.-keep in mind that the sorces u use r even worse in that regard.

LMFS wrote:

Hole wrote:The video has been shown with english subtitles on RT international.

Funny that some people still believe the shit that this unimportant blogger was poisoned. He did return to the country where he was supposedly poisoned 2 or 3 or even 100 times by evil KGB spies but the Skripals, which are "save" in England, thousands of kilometres away from all this evil russians, are still in hiding. On their own request, of course. Why should the brits keep them away from TV cameras if they had something bad to say about evil Putin?

People in the West have their heads so far down their arses that they cannot think anymore even in the most basic level, it is really disturbing since that means pretty much anyone out there believes the cringe-worthy, suicidal propaganda currently produced, no questions asked. I think this is reaching mass proportions of clinical insanity and is going to make the complete collapse of the West pretty much unavoidable

flamming_python wrote:Protests are good
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It's neccessary to start flooding the protests with Soviet and commie flags, start to change their character, and then once a critical mass has been reached conduct subversive activity and agitation amongst the clientele. Then more ordinary people will start to get behind the protest movement too and the Navalnites and their leader can be sidelined.

miketheterrible wrote:Most Canadians and Americans youth still able to vote would vote for some tranny black whatever who said to kill all white people.

That is how fucked our system is here tbh.