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The VVS (AF) had AShMs in its inventory & was supposed to assist the NAF to defend the USSR. They didn't need huge NAF on a par with the AF then nor do they need it now.
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Russian Naval Aviation: News
Tsavo Lion- Posts : 5960
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Russian naval aviation is just an image of state of Russian NAVY as such. In the nineties there was no money for navy, what means there was no money for naval aviation as well. Russian MoD take Tu-22M bombers from navy and give them to air force simply because this little money, that army got, went for ground forces and air force because of war in Chechnya. They transfer them to save them. Only after Kursk tragedy it become clear, that navy need money as well and first priority was resque equipment and than replacement of old ships and subs. Only after those first priorities comes naval aviation. They went with overhaul of Su-33 in KNAAZ and later modernize them with SVP-24-33. They bought a new regiment of MiG-29K/KUB. They buy two Ka-31 AEW&C helicopters. Start with modernization of Il-38N and Ka-27M and buying new Su-30SM multirole fighters. They are improving and they are buying new equipment. But it need time. They also build Yeysk training center to school and train new naval pilots. It will take time of many years before navy and naval aviation will be rebuild, but they are in the right direction. Naval training centers in Yeysk and in Saki are the most important part of it. First they need new young pilots and ground crews all the rest will come with time.
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Does russian naval aviation still use deapth charges ? Does anyone has a link for modern deapth charges ?
I know RBU launchers have really smart muntions but what about deapth charges launched from aviation ?
Those things can't be outdated since it is a very effective, simple and cheap weapon once you know where a sub is, it can sturate a big area with many of them without the need of using torpedo that can be jammed.
I know RBU launchers have really smart muntions but what about deapth charges launched from aviation ?
Those things can't be outdated since it is a very effective, simple and cheap weapon once you know where a sub is, it can sturate a big area with many of them without the need of using torpedo that can be jammed.
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There are (to my knowledge):
RYu-2 - nuclear depth charge
PLAB-250-120 - classic depth charge, used by all russian ASW aircraft and helicopters
RBK-100 PLAB-10K - cluster depth charge, containing six PLAB-10K charges with shaped-charge/HE warheads
KAB-250-100PL Zagon and Zagon 2 - guided depth charges
RYu-2 - nuclear depth charge
PLAB-250-120 - classic depth charge, used by all russian ASW aircraft and helicopters
RBK-100 PLAB-10K - cluster depth charge, containing six PLAB-10K charges with shaped-charge/HE warheads
KAB-250-100PL Zagon and Zagon 2 - guided depth charges
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I do remember reading somewhere that they had a special fuse that could be attached to any aerial bomb like the FAB series of HE bombs that could turn the bomb into a sea mine, where it could be dropped in shallow water and effectively used as a simple mine... would not surprise me if they also had a depth charge model of the fuse, but have read no articles about it.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Balliauw/status/1066381695132278786
2 Russian su-24 armed with kh-25 flying above Belgian warship in Baltic sea.
2 Russian su-24 armed with kh-25 flying above Belgian warship in Baltic sea.
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O this evil russians, defending their own country! 
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Hole wrote:O this evil russians, defending their own country!
Those interceptions are normal but sending armed fighters isn't. Wonder what happened ? Maybe they were in exercices and send there with their weapon load.
Hole- Posts : 11099
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The ships are also armed.
Tsavo Lion- Posts : 5960
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As I was saying-"train in the Black Sea":
It is highly advisable to have in the Black Sea Fleet a training aircraft carrier, created as soon as possible on the basis of a large civilian vessel. .."Kuznetsov" in the repair, and the cost of its operation is very high. Therefore, we really need to have a “ship's desk” (training aircraft carrier) to handle deck aircraft. http://nvo.ng.ru/realty/2018-12-06/6_1025_sky.html
It is highly advisable to have in the Black Sea Fleet a training aircraft carrier, created as soon as possible on the basis of a large civilian vessel. .."Kuznetsov" in the repair, and the cost of its operation is very high. Therefore, we really need to have a “ship's desk” (training aircraft carrier) to handle deck aircraft. http://nvo.ng.ru/realty/2018-12-06/6_1025_sky.html
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Errr... don't they now have access to the training facility in the Crimea that was used in Soviet times to train for carrier operations?
Sputnik: Nitka
Of course there is nothing there... just look at the map:
Saki Airfield
Sputnik: Nitka
Of course there is nothing there... just look at the map:
Saki Airfield
Tsavo Lion- Posts : 5960
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They do, but shipboard flight ops qualifications need to be trained for.
The USN had training carriers on the Great Lakes during WWII. Unlike the White Sea & Lake Baikal, the Black Sea doesn't freeze in winter & has year round better weather, the best on Russia's coasts.
The USN had training carriers on the Great Lakes during WWII. Unlike the White Sea & Lake Baikal, the Black Sea doesn't freeze in winter & has year round better weather, the best on Russia's coasts.
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GarryB wrote:Errr... don't they now have access to the training facility in the Crimea that was used in Soviet times to train for carrier operations?
Sputnik: Nitka
Of course there is nothing there... just look at the map:
Saki Airfield
My sarcasm meter is not working however if you go into your Saki Airfield link and from the red cursor go up that runway to your right you can see the practice aircraft carrier lift.
Tsavo Lion- Posts : 5960
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Look at SW corner of the airfield. 3 Su-33s parked to the NE of the practice area: https://www.google.com/maps/search/%D0%90%D1%8D%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC+%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B8/@45.0857175,33.5897588,1277m/data=!3m1!1e3
They also have NITKA at Eisk:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/%D0%95%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA,+%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9+%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9,+%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F/@46.6754851,38.1811994,310m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x40e42c3bc1a9aa8b:0x62be386c32f0bc0e!8m2!3d46.6825784!4d38.2702941
They also have NITKA at Eisk:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/%D0%95%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA,+%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9+%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9,+%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F/@46.6754851,38.1811994,310m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x40e42c3bc1a9aa8b:0x62be386c32f0bc0e!8m2!3d46.6825784!4d38.2702941
franco- Posts : 7032
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Believe those 3 aircraft are Su-30SM's.
Tsavo Lion- Posts : 5960
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Could be, their paint scheme is similar:
https://www.google.com/search?biw=875&bih=379&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=XuEKXMv3Ko7c_wSxvo6YDQ&q=Su-30SM&oq=Su-30SM&gs_l=img.12..0j0i30l6j0i5i30j0i30l2.66127.67032..69385...0.0..0.683.1356.5-2......0....1..gws-wiz-img.fFp03SpO0Ro
They were probably loaned by the AF for training purposes.
https://thediplomat.com/2018/02/russia-to-upgrade-su-30sm-fighter-jets-in-2018/
https://www.google.com/search?biw=875&bih=379&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=XuEKXMv3Ko7c_wSxvo6YDQ&q=Su-30SM&oq=Su-30SM&gs_l=img.12..0j0i30l6j0i5i30j0i30l2.66127.67032..69385...0.0..0.683.1356.5-2......0....1..gws-wiz-img.fFp03SpO0Ro
They were probably loaned by the AF for training purposes.
https://thediplomat.com/2018/02/russia-to-upgrade-su-30sm-fighter-jets-in-2018/
franco- Posts : 7032
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No, Russian Naval Aviation has 24 Su-30SM's on order. First 12 are at Saki Airfield.
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https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12153428@egNews
A new batch of naval fighters Su-33 are equipped with SVP-24-33 during modernisation. After modernization, they could highly effectively work against targets in the air, on the ground and on the sea.
This text is written in the way, that SVP-24-33 subsystem could be just a part of modernisation, not the whole modernisation.
Очередная партия палубных истребителей Су-33 оборудована специальной вычислительной подсистемы СВП-24-33 в рамках модернизации.
В результате проведенной модернизации они смогут с высокой эффективностью работать не только по воздушным, но также по наземным и морским целям.
A new batch of naval fighters Su-33 are equipped with SVP-24-33 during modernisation. After modernization, they could highly effectively work against targets in the air, on the ground and on the sea.
This text is written in the way, that SVP-24-33 subsystem could be just a part of modernisation, not the whole modernisation.
GarryB- Posts : 40442
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It is normal for inservice aircraft and vehicles to get upgrades to keep them relevant... they cost money to keep in service so it makes sense to spend a little more to keep them useful.
Also upgrades can replace old equipment that will get harder to maintain over time.
If you don't understand this... think about trying to buy a Video cassette tape of a new movie coming out now... it is easier and cheaper to buy a flash RAM compatible TV than to get the movie and record it onto video tape to play on an old video tape recorder.
Also upgrades can replace old equipment that will get harder to maintain over time.
If you don't understand this... think about trying to buy a Video cassette tape of a new movie coming out now... it is easier and cheaper to buy a flash RAM compatible TV than to get the movie and record it onto video tape to play on an old video tape recorder.
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The crisis state of the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy
Article by Maxim Klimov: "The fiery sky of the Russian fleet. Without an effective and strong naval aviation, there can be no modern Navy" criticizing the development of the aviation component of the current Russian Navy.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3446895.html
I would emphasize as one of biggest problems the lack of a multi-role naval helicopter. Ka-27 is an outdated machine
Article by Maxim Klimov: "The fiery sky of the Russian fleet. Without an effective and strong naval aviation, there can be no modern Navy" criticizing the development of the aviation component of the current Russian Navy.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3446895.html
I would emphasize as one of biggest problems the lack of a multi-role naval helicopter. Ka-27 is an outdated machine
Hole- Posts : 11099
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Realy interesting that this BS "articles" are coming now and not ten years ago. Today they are out of date, with new Su-30SM and MiG-29K´s delivered, Il-38 and Ka-27 modernised and plans to modernise the Tu-142.
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It is very interesting to note the high correlation between the recent words of I Kozhin and the Russian Maritime Doctrine of 2015:
http://redstar.ru/po-puti-obnovleniya/
https://www.russiadefence.net/t7032p50-state-armament-program-2018-2027#211908
Fairly coincident, despite what many people has been saying against the enforcement of the Russian Maritime Doctrine of 2015. This is the right way to work.
Habitually, the Russian Naval Aviation has not the best funding, something that makes difficult to keep the step of other branches, specially, the Russian Aerospace Forces, in terms of procurement of modern warfare.
New technologies are opening many new options in the refered to the shipborne aerial platforms, both manned and unmanned. The Russian Naval Aviation must keep them at the best level. No-one else will do. In the future, the shipborne component of the Russian Naval Aviation will be much more important than until now.
To turn strongly toward the new shipborne aerial platforms very likely will mean a strong impulse to the modernization of the Russian Naval Aviation and to raise strongly the capabilities of the Russian Naval Aviation.
The Russian Naval Aviation must not fear standardization with the Russian Aerospace Forces. They can find advantages on it.
http://redstar.ru/po-puti-obnovleniya/
- Igor Sergeyevich, if possible, indicate, please, the prospects for the development of naval aviation for a long period of time, for example, until 2050.
- As I have already mentioned, in naval aviation it is planned to modernize the existing fleet of aircraft and their phased replacement with promising aviation complexes.
The daily routine of sea pilots. Photo Vadim Savitsky.
At the first stage (until 2020), an active modernization of the existing aircraft fleet is carried out. We are also talking about the replacement of special aircraft with new types of aircraft, the inclusion of assault and transport-assault ship-based helicopters (Ka-52K), naval unmanned aerial vehicles into the combat strength of the naval fighter aircraft units (MiG-29K / KUB). In total, up to 2020 it is planned to supply more than 100 aircraft to the naval aviation of the Navy.
At the second stage (2021–2030), the modernization of the entire fleet of naval aviation aircraft and helicopters and the re-equipment of coastal-based fighter-assault aviation aircraft will be continued. home base. Naval aircraft of the radar patrol, ship-based unmanned aerial vehicles, and a promising naval aviation complex should come into service with naval aviation.
At the third stage (2031–2050), naval aviation is expected to switch to a new generation of multifunctional aircraft and adopt a new generation of high-precision air-based weapons systems; and patrol plane far zone. Search and rescue helicopters of the amphibious class of the far zone will be created, including for operations in the Arctic and offshore Arctic seas.
https://www.russiadefence.net/t7032p50-state-armament-program-2018-2027#211908
Naval Aviation
For the Russian Naval Aviation the focus in the first phase will be the development and serial production of an advanced maritime patrol aircraft (MPA) by 2020.
Additionally, Russia will look to develop and produce a new shore/ship-based multirole helicopter (to replace the Ka-27) and acquire a ship-based combat helicopter (the Ka-52K). Russia will also seek to develop advanced airborne strike systems.
The second phase will see the deployment of the new Russian ship-based radar surveillance aircraft, ship-based UAVs, and ship-based strike aircraft. The 2021-2030 period will see the Russian Naval Aviation transition to optionally piloted aircraft, including those derived from existing manned aircraft. Obsolete aircraft are to be replaced by modern, multirole manned and unmanned aircraft.
During the 2031-2050 phase naval aviation focus will switch to a new generation of multirole aircraft and UAVs and field a new generation of airborne precision weapon systems.
Fairly coincident, despite what many people has been saying against the enforcement of the Russian Maritime Doctrine of 2015. This is the right way to work.
Habitually, the Russian Naval Aviation has not the best funding, something that makes difficult to keep the step of other branches, specially, the Russian Aerospace Forces, in terms of procurement of modern warfare.
New technologies are opening many new options in the refered to the shipborne aerial platforms, both manned and unmanned. The Russian Naval Aviation must keep them at the best level. No-one else will do. In the future, the shipborne component of the Russian Naval Aviation will be much more important than until now.
To turn strongly toward the new shipborne aerial platforms very likely will mean a strong impulse to the modernization of the Russian Naval Aviation and to raise strongly the capabilities of the Russian Naval Aviation.
The Russian Naval Aviation must not fear standardization with the Russian Aerospace Forces. They can find advantages on it.
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The first heavy Russian drone passed flight tests: exclusive shots
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201809102300-w76k.htm
https://www.ruaviation.com/news/2018/9/11/11930/?h
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B8%D1%80_(%D0%91%D0%9F%D0%9B%D0%90)#%D0%A2%D0%A2%D0%A5
It's size is comparable with the E-2 & Yak-44:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_E-2_Hawkeye#Specifications_(E-2C/D)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-44#Specifications_(Yak-44E)
The C-2 COD can carry even less cargo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_C-2_Greyhound#Specifications_(Reprocured_C-2A)
They could be navalized & modified as AWACS & COD for for future UDKs/CVNs.
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201809102300-w76k.htm
https://www.ruaviation.com/news/2018/9/11/11930/?h
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B8%D1%80_(%D0%91%D0%9F%D0%9B%D0%90)#%D0%A2%D0%A2%D0%A5
It's size is comparable with the E-2 & Yak-44:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_E-2_Hawkeye#Specifications_(E-2C/D)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-44#Specifications_(Yak-44E)
The C-2 COD can carry even less cargo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_C-2_Greyhound#Specifications_(Reprocured_C-2A)
They could be navalized & modified as AWACS & COD for for future UDKs/CVNs.
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Russia strengthened its air grouping near Kaliningrad
February 02, 2019
Russia has strengthened the military grouping in the Kaliningrad region by the Fighter Aviation Regiment in response to the buildup of NATO forces in the Baltic Sea region, a source familiar with the situation told Interfax on Saturday.
“As part of the naval aviation of the Baltic Fleet (BF), a fighter regiment has been formed, which is armed with Su-27 aircraft,” he said.
According to the interlocutor of the agency, the assault air regiment formed earlier is also part of the said compound.
As previously reported by the press service of the Baltic Fleet, the other day “pilots of the fighter regiment of the naval aviation of the Baltic Fleet in the Kaliningrad region have mastered the piloting technique and elements of air combat on Su-27 aircraft.”
In particular, the Su-27 fighters "discovered the target and worked out actions for the forced landing of a conditional enemy aircraft on the airfield."
Earlier it was reported that the ground component of the forces in the Kaliningrad region — the 11th Army Corps of the Coastal and Land Forces of the Baltic Fleet — was reinforced by a tank regiment. Last year, the missile brigade near Kaliningrad was reequipped for Iskander-M operational tactical missile systems.
NOTE:has been just a squadron over the past few years. Obviously a second squadron has been raised most likely from the best of the aircraft being replaced at Besovets by Su-35S's.
February 02, 2019
Russia has strengthened the military grouping in the Kaliningrad region by the Fighter Aviation Regiment in response to the buildup of NATO forces in the Baltic Sea region, a source familiar with the situation told Interfax on Saturday.
“As part of the naval aviation of the Baltic Fleet (BF), a fighter regiment has been formed, which is armed with Su-27 aircraft,” he said.
According to the interlocutor of the agency, the assault air regiment formed earlier is also part of the said compound.
As previously reported by the press service of the Baltic Fleet, the other day “pilots of the fighter regiment of the naval aviation of the Baltic Fleet in the Kaliningrad region have mastered the piloting technique and elements of air combat on Su-27 aircraft.”
In particular, the Su-27 fighters "discovered the target and worked out actions for the forced landing of a conditional enemy aircraft on the airfield."
Earlier it was reported that the ground component of the forces in the Kaliningrad region — the 11th Army Corps of the Coastal and Land Forces of the Baltic Fleet — was reinforced by a tank regiment. Last year, the missile brigade near Kaliningrad was reequipped for Iskander-M operational tactical missile systems.
NOTE:has been just a squadron over the past few years. Obviously a second squadron has been raised most likely from the best of the aircraft being replaced at Besovets by Su-35S's.
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The defense Ministry told about the modernization of the deck fighter su-33
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201903110119-lb54.htm
"The first round of upgrades done and now ready for a second, after which there will be increased engine power, improved detection systems, etc. su-33 will be truly multi-purpose",
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201903110119-lb54.htm
"The first round of upgrades done and now ready for a second, after which there will be increased engine power, improved detection systems, etc. su-33 will be truly multi-purpose",