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    Peresvet laser complex

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:22 pm

    The trucks like the trains would not just drive around at random all the time... most of the time they would stay in guarded buildings that would be as easy to defend as any military facility that is this important.

    According to the START treaties the TOPOL trucks can't just be located anywhere... there were specific buildings they needed to be housed in normally... and it would be different with trains because START is over.

    This meant that at times of heightened tensions they knew where to start looking for some pretty distinctive trucks that would be fairly unique on Russian roads... only able to make certain turns so lots of roads they could not drive down anyway.

    Compare that with trains that look the same as hundreds of thousands of other trains they already operate and it is not just a case of trains operating at higher speed and being given green lights where every they are... and if they make them high speed trains with speeds of 400km per hour or faster... perhaps a test track in the middle of the arctic where it is military land and anyone can be shot on sight with drones patrolling the area continuously... all the train has to do is stop and turn off on to a siding and raise its missiles and launch them which would take less than 5 minutes... then it does not matter if you blow them up.

    More importantly the trains could be monitored... coordinating attacks on all the trains would need sophisticated communication and coordination... as soon as one is attacked the rest can be launched immediately anyway... For every attack there is a very good chance what they are attacking is a troop transport or cargo transport to a Russian military base or port, but those forces tasked with the attacks will quickly reveal who is attacking and where the response should be directed... a high speed train could be based in a mountain base but with a 400km/h speed they could have other tunnels all through the ural mountains where they can run to and launch from if there is any question as to who to attack.

    Adding a carriage and another long range cruise missile would be cheaper than building another silo or SSBN...
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    Post  dino00 Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:05 pm

    GarryB wrote:The trucks like the trains would not just drive around at random all the time... most of the time they would stay in guarded buildings that would be as easy to defend as any military facility that is this important.

    According to the START treaties the TOPOL trucks can't just be located anywhere... there were specific buildings they needed to be housed in normally... and it would be different with trains because START is over.

    This meant that at times of heightened tensions they knew where to start looking for some pretty distinctive trucks that would be fairly unique on Russian roads... only able to make certain turns so lots of roads they could not drive down anyway.

    Compare that with trains that look the same as hundreds of thousands of other trains they already operate and it is not just a case of trains operating at higher speed and being given green lights where every they are... and if they make them high speed trains with speeds of 400km per hour or faster... perhaps a test track in the  middle of the arctic where it is military land and anyone can be shot on sight with drones patrolling the area continuously... all the train has to do is stop and turn off on to a siding and raise its missiles and launch them which would take less than 5 minutes... then it does not matter if you blow them up.

    More importantly the trains could be monitored... coordinating attacks on all the trains would need sophisticated communication and coordination... as soon as one is attacked the rest can be launched immediately anyway... For every attack there is a very good chance what they are attacking is a troop transport or cargo transport to a Russian military base or port, but those forces tasked with the attacks will quickly reveal who is attacking and where the response should be directed... a high speed train could be based in a mountain base but with a 400km/h speed they could have other tunnels all through the ural mountains where they can run to and launch from if there is any question as to who to attack.

    Adding a carriage and another long range cruise missile would be cheaper than building another silo or SSBN...

    I think there's no doubt Rail version is more difficult to target for USA, it's possible they see that as a last resort against the ABM, but we aren't there yet.
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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:30 pm

    Shoigu praised scientists from the Sarov Nuclear Center for developing the Peresvet combat laser. 


    The Peresvet laser complex was developed by scientists from Sarov (Nizhny Novgorod region), who worked under the "constant attention" of the Ministry of Defense, the head of the Department Sergey Shoigu said. 


    This was discussed at a meeting of the Minister with the scientific community in Novosibirsk, during which the scientific director of the Institute of Laser Physics of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Academician Sergey Bagaev, complained that he had to actually visit Moscow every week to try to solve a number of promising issues related to the institute's work, RIA Novostireports .


    At the same time, earlier, according to him, specialists from various federal departments and ministries often visited Novosibirsk. The scientist suggested improving cooperation with scientific organizations.


    "Are you coming to Moscow to join us? To the Ministry of Defense? I hate bureaucracy and I struggle with it. We are doing everything possible to reduce the distance for science. We spend innovation days, starting with those who make something in the garage with a file, and ending with big science" – Shoigu said.


    He invited the scientist to the exhibition of equipment and weapons in the Patriot Park, where, according to him, science and the latest developments are presented "in the broadest sense."


    "Believe me, I spend a lot of time talking to everyone and watching everyone. There are several large conferences where artificial intelligence will be discussed and so on. I visit your colleagues in Sarov. Thanks to their efforts and our constant attention, we have delivered such a wonderful weapon as the Peresvet. And we already have it in service today. I, in any case, and those who are engaged in science in the department, are extremely attentive to this" – the minister assured.


    He said that the Defense Ministry allocates a lot of funds for science, so we can not say that the money mainly goes to Moscow organizations.


    Of course, we want these funds to be invested very efficiently (...) You have a 17 billion dollar research project going on here. Here you have it. Tomorrow I will be in Krasnoyarsk, where I think our research and development is ending at 92 billion rubles, so to say that everything is stuck in Moscow is a clear overkill" – the minister said.


    At the same time, he agreed that "in general" interaction with scientific institutions should be strengthened. 

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    Post  limb Sat Aug 07, 2021 5:54 pm

    Could the peresvet be used to shoot directed EMPs or microwaves onto large area

    This would be very useful in ruining the precious aesas on western aircraft Twisted Evil. Just let the UHF and lands detect the general location of stealth aircraft and let loose.

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    Post  Arrow Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:07 pm

    Peresvet photographed from the satellite Very Happy
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:02 am

    limb wrote:Could the peresvet be used to shoot directed EMPs or microwaves onto large area

    This would be very useful in ruining the precious aesas on western aircraft  Twisted Evil. Just let the UHF and lands detect the general location  of stealth aircraft and let loose.


    Laser is not exactly tool to produce EMP or microwave gun. But Im sure Russians work on both solutions.
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    Post  Arrow Wed May 18, 2022 8:14 pm

    f "Peresvet" blinds, then a new generation of laser weapons already leads to a physical defeat of the object. That is, to thermal damage, burns through it so that we do not spend expensive missiles, such as "Pantsir" and "Torah". Now these systems are on the way, which at a distance of up to 5 kilometers can absolutely freely shoot down various classes of drones. [When will they enter the army?] They are already starting to enter. [In the course of the SMO are used?] Yes, the first samples are already being used. [Let's call him?] "Bully"! wrote:

    Peresvet can also possibly cause significant damage to, for example, an airplane and a drone. Perhaps even damage the satellite. Peresvet has a capacity of over 1MW and is probably powered by a nuclear reactor. This is a lot of power for lasers.
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    Post  LMFS Thu May 19, 2022 4:21 am

    Deputy Prime Minister Borisov: The Peresvet laser complex is being delivered to the Russian troops

    Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov said that the Russian Armed Forces began to receive Peresvet laser systems capable of blinding enemy air targets and satellite systems at an altitude of up to one and a half thousand kilometers.

    The Peresvet complex, which the president spoke about in 2018, is already being serially supplied to the troops,

    - said the deputy head of the government of the Russian Federation at the New Horizons marathon, held by the Knowledge society.

    https://en.topwar.ru/196453-vice-premer-borisov-v-rossijskie-vojska-nachali-postavljat-lazernyj-kompleks-peresvet.html

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    Post  GarryB Thu May 19, 2022 12:34 pm

    From RT page:

    Laser weapons used in Ukraine – Russia
    Hi tech tools can burn through targets up to 5km away, a top official outlined

    Russia has developed its own anti-drone laser capability and is already using it in Ukraine, Deputy Prime Minister Yury Borisov claimed in an interview on Wednesday. It has a range of 5km and was nicknamed Zadira, or ‘troublemaker’ in Russian, he said. He didn’t disclose any other details about the new device.

    The revelation came as Borisov was discussing the advanced weapons being developed in Russia. He compared the new tool to Peresvet, a laser system first unveiled by President Vladimir Putin in 2018, the exact purpose of which was not explained at the time.

    The official confirmed that the Peresvet was designed to disable optic sensors, including on spy satellites orbiting the earth as high as 1,500 km.

    “While Peresvet blinds, the new generation of laser weapons causes physical damage to the target, burning it through,” he said.

    When asked about the timeline for the Russian military to receive such systems, Borisov said they were already being supplied. When asked further whether the anti-drone laser was deployed in Russia’s military campaign in Ukraine, the minister acknowledged that the “first samples were used” there.

    According to military experts, lasers have several drawbacks as weapons, including massive power requirements and the deterioration of the beam caused by dust and water vapor in the air cause, among others.

    However, they have a major advantage in terms of cost-per-shot compared to traditional anti-aircraft missiles. The advancement in drone technology, which has made the deployment of air assets more financially accessible, has compelled military planners worldwide to look for various ways to counter this threat without depleting their war chests.

    In the US, naval lasers were successfully tested against boats and drones this year, with the defeat of an aerial practice target by the Layered Laser Defense (LLD) in April touted as “historic” by the authorities.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/555689-russia-combat-laser-capability/
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    Post  limb Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:42 am

    Why can't the peresvet be used to fry the guidance systems of GMLRS, and destroy all ukrainian large UAVs?
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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:01 pm

    Peresvet is optimised for tracking and targeting objects in orbit or perhaps also large aircraft at significant distances and essentially dazzles optical systems so they can't see what they are looking at.

    This new system called bully or troublemaker and is intended to burn the target with laser energy to do physical damage.

    Electromagnetically damaging computer hardware inside a system is something else and is the sort of thing you would do with a directed energy weapon that is not a laser, but using other types of energy like microwaves etc etc.

    Missiles using guidance like GPS use intertial guidance with satellite signal updates in flight and could be located anywhere inside the target from the tip of the nose to a pod sticking out the rear of the rocket... so far the best defence against GMLRS has been missiles... TOR or Pantsir or BUK and also now S-350 types too, but this new laser system would be interesting, though rather than trying to cut off a wing or a tail surface like it would trying to bring down a drone or cruise missile, a laser would be better used trying to penetrate the skin of the rocket and set off the warhead... with a range of 5km it would need to be located near the target and a falling rocket is not like a drone... cut the wing or tail surface off a drone and it will crash but an artillery rocket is already falling so cutting off fins or wings makes no difference... it would just continue to fall.

    It would be more productive to accurately map the trajectory of the incoming rocket and determine its launch location within a few hundred metres and to send drone assets there to take out the launcher and crew and any support it might be operating with (ie follow it to any building it might be hiding in and destroy it and the building...)

    I would think this is a period when drone use should increase massively... the enemy air defence capacity is not so important with thousands of armed drones operating above their heads, but drones used to hunt air defence and also enemy mobile artillery and terrorism units as well as enemy armour and troops... imagine if most of the 300K being called up were used in Syria for the last 5 or so years operating drones, and new much longer ranged drones allows them to operate from Russian territory.

    Obviously the key issue then will be managing enormous numbers of friendly drones in airspace controlled by ground and air based air defence while also keeping an eye out for enemy drones and aircraft trying to slip through amongst all the traffic.
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    Post  Arrow Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:20 am

    Apparently Peresvet's parameters Rolling Eyes



    Army Collection” No. 8 2024, p. 69-73

    The main characteristics of the Peresvet combat laser complex are disclosed:
    Height of destruction of enemy spacecraft, km – 200-1100
    Azimuth coverage, ° – 360
    Elevation coverage, ° – 21-155
    Diameter of the covered area, km – 130-180
    Combat use mode – Automated

    The combat laser complex is designed to cover strategically important objects and areas, places of concentration of troops and military equipment of the Strategic Missile Forces and their movement from the conduct of enemy space reconnaissance using optical-electronic reconnaissance spacecraft.

    The combat laser complex automatically carries out the functional suppression (defeat) of enemy optical-electronic reconnaissance spacecraft from orbital groups by exposing them to powerful laser radiation.


    The question is whether it has the power to physically destroy satellites.?

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    Post  GarryB Sat Aug 03, 2024 5:30 am

    The question is whether it has the power to physically destroy satellites.?

    Height of destruction of enemy spacecraft, km – 200-1100

    It says height of destruction of spacecraft... not optic sensor dazzling range. or blinding range.

    Plus it is a first gen system... over time they will improve and upgrade it in terms of cost and efficiency and power.

    Destruction of a satellite might just be burning out the solar panels or heating one side until it fails or destroying the optics so it can't do what it is supposed to do any more... it will remain in orbit but it wont be able to do anything useful for the enemy. It might even damage or destroy a communications antenna that the west uses to communicate with the satellite... that is a functional "kill" too.

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    Post  Arrow Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:38 am

    Officially, the complex is used to destroy optical reconnaissance satellites. If it has the right power, it can probably destroy others. Such as radar SAR, which are equally dangerous or many other types. If so, Peresvet is a very dangerous weapon. Being able to destroy many very expensive satellite systems without using ASAT missiles, etc. You have to realize how much satellite reconnaissance really did for the West in the war in Ukraine. The altitude of 1100 km is also impressive, although the laser beam overcomes a small part of the atmosphere up to 100 km.
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    Post  kvs Sat Aug 03, 2024 12:12 pm

    In Russian it says "vysota parazhenya" which means "height of 'defeat'" it could mean destruction but I would rather say it is disruption. Lasers are not
    magic and going through the atmosphere to reach a target in LEO is a challenge.

    https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA321006.pdf

    Aerosols are a PITA. They are variable and effective at blocking all sorts of wavelengths. So Peresvet cannot guarantee a photon flux at 350 km.
    If it is a bad day then it is SOL.

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    Post  lancelot Sat Aug 03, 2024 12:23 pm

    The thing with high power lasers is that their current iterations are highly inefficient at converting electricity into laser light. This means you need expensive and large cooling systems, not to mention huge power sources. If someone makes efficient large lasers, imagine what happened with regular lighting with the transition from incandescent light bulbs to LED light, their efficiency would go up by 10x.

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    Post  Arrow Sat Aug 03, 2024 12:39 pm

    Peresvet may have a laser pumped directly from the reactor, without conversion to electrical energy. The USSR had a lot of research in this area and experimental reactor-based systems.

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