[Official] Armata Discussion thread #5

magnumcromagnon wrote:Absolute propaganda lmao!

1.) Hilarious, Kontakt-5 on T-72B3's won't even go off with 30mm autocannon fire.

2.) Kornet out-ranges 20mm autocannon fire by 5 fold, 10km effective range for Kornet vs. 2km for 20mm Autocannon. And 30mm has double the range of 20mm, 4km vs 2km range, and let's not talk about 57mm and new gen 125mm GLATGM with 12km range.  

3.) It's hilarious that they show Armata's out in the wide-open to even the odds for the Bellend Invictus lol!  Armata's would be hidden behind camo-nets and vegetation vs much louder helicopters exposed in the air. Not including range of Armata weapons, Armatas will detect them 10's of km's before Bell Invictus 360's would detect Armatas.    

LMFS wrote:More Disneyland fantasies for big children

PhSt wrote:Russia’s top brass wants to replace Armata with two-section ‘tank of the future’

MOSCOW, August 25. /TASS/. The concept of a two-section ‘tank of future’ designed to replace the latest Armata armored vehicle after the 2040s was presented at the Army-2020 international military and technical forum on Tuesday.

The concept was presented by the 38th R&D and Testing Institute of Armored Hardware and Armament, which drafts requirements for advanced armor.

The Institute’s specialists believe that the Armata tank and its versions will be effective on the battlefield until the 2040s but it is necessary already now to lay the groundwork for a tank of a distant future.

"Specialists of the 38th Institute today perceive such a combat vehicle in the option of a coupled two-section design. The front combat module may have a control compartment with three crewmembers in a highly protected armored capsule. The module’s medium part is expected to accommodate an unmanned turret with a mounted electro-thermochemical cannon with an automatic loader," Institute Deputy Chief Colonel Yevgeny Gubanov said.

The tank’s second section coupled with the first is expected to accommodate a 3,000 hp multi-fuel gas turbine engine. The second module is also expected to carry air and ground drones to conduct reconnaissance, search for mines and perform security functions.

Armament

The future tank’s electro-thermochemical cannon will use new compounds instead of gunpowder that will be ignited by an electric discharge. The tank will fire hypersonic shells.

The tank’s front module will also be outfitted with reactive armor, a blinding laser weapon and an electromagnetic pulse generator. The module’s rear part will accommodate vertical take-off homing missiles with an operating range of up to 12 km.

As the Institute’s specialists explain, further build-up of tanks’ firepower and armor within the existing configurations considerably increase their mass. The coupling of two sections will help reduce specific ground pressure and solve this problem. The Institute’s specialists also believe that the tank’s general-purpose engine compartment can be used together with manned modules for motor rifle personnel and combat modules with the armament of various caliber and designations.

The tank’s crew will be combat aware with the help of the ‘transparent armor" vision technology when information from various external sensors is transmitted to the crew inside the armored capsule.

GarryB wrote:Wonder why the Bell thinks a new stealth helicopter will survive better than the old Commanche... now that Russian air defences are engaging and destroying hand held drone sized targets....

TOR was supposed to deal with Hellfire missiles as well as Apache helicopters... it seems the 20-25km range Hermes has IIR guidance and a two way datalink and is intended for shooting down air targets as well as ground targets...

T-15 next to t-72. Huge vehicle.

True but T-72 was always tiny too...

George1 wrote:Russian defense firm to develop tank support combat vehicle based on Armata platform

https://tass.com/defense/1195529

GarryB wrote:Wonder why the Bell thinks a new stealth helicopter will survive better than the old Commanche... now that Russian air defences are engaging and destroying hand held drone sized targets....

TOR was supposed to deal with Hellfire missiles as well as Apache helicopters... it seems the 20-25km range Hermes has IIR guidance and a two way datalink and is intended for shooting down air targets as well as ground targets...

T-15 next to t-72. Huge vehicle.

True but T-72 was always tiny too...

The-thing-next-door wrote:

George1 wrote:Russian defense firm to develop tank support combat vehicle based on Armata platform

https://tass.com/defense/1195529

Interesting, I wonder if this will be a BMPT like vehicle or a new take on assault guns like the ISU-152.

It was a real shame that the Soviets did not contiune to produce assault guns.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

The T-14 with a (newly designed) 152.4mm cannon turret apparently already exists, but there hasn't been any public images of it as of now. The T-95 from the 2000's decade had a 152.4mm cannon turret, and it passed all it's tests with flying colors but was shelved in favor of the modular Armata heavy platform series.

franco wrote:Have noticed around the web, people questioning what the order for 132 T-14 and T-15 represents.

- Tank battalion in a Tank brigade/regiment has 31 tanks per times 3 battalions = 93 T-14
- Motor Rifle battalion in a BMP ATGM mounted unit has 37 BMP's times 1 battalion = 37 T-15
- Brigade / regiment HQ has 1 tank and 1 BMP = 1 T-14 + 1 T-15
- Total 94 T-14 + 38 T-15 = 132

LMFS wrote:

franco wrote:Have noticed around the web, people questioning what the order for 132 T-14 and T-15 represents.

- Tank battalion in a Tank brigade/regiment has 31 tanks per times 3 battalions = 93 T-14
- Motor Rifle battalion in a BMP ATGM mounted unit has 37 BMP's times 1 battalion = 37 T-15
- Brigade / regiment HQ has 1 tank and 1 BMP = 1 T-14 + 1 T-15
- Total 94 T-14 + 38 T-15 = 132

Recovering this great post from 2018 by franco and trying to make sense of it... better two years late than never  

Will the Armata (that means T-14 and T-15) be the main vehicle in the tank units only? The current order seems enough to equip one tank regiment. Or may the T-15 be used also in motor rifle divisions / regiments?

BTW if any of you has a good source on current Russian army order of battle it would be great