Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

Hole wrote:Easy to explain, ZoA.
Price for India: 770 Mio. Bucks.
Price for Russia: 206 Mio. Bucks.

You just backed up zoa on how fucked up the management is for these shipyards. Combat ships for Russian navy are a NATIONAL SECURITY PRIORITY, not a simly a bronze shipyard reduced service subscription. Anything built for Russia should be built as efficiently or more than any 3rd party, especially a US bootlicker like India. Thats why the USSR managed to rebuild its navy at such a pace, unlike whatever bourgeois orthodox faggots say, it actually looked after Russian interests.

ZoA wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:
CNC is absolutely essential, not for the hull but for trivial parts, shapes and assemblies. CNC has been around since before computer control, using punch cards and implementing G-code.

CNC is not essential, anything done on CNC can be done without it. Greatest advantage of CNC is that you can employ idiots to operate it, all they need to do is to place the work peace in the vice, set zero, let the machine do the work, and take the part out, repeat. To do the same on classical machine, depending on complexity of the items, might require very experienced and skilful machinist, and for some especially complex pieces might require specialised old school machines and tools. I have worked both in shops with classical machines , and with CNC work stations, and form my experience I can say for simpler single item, or small series of few items, skilful operator on classical machine can do it faster then it would take to set up CNC machine for the same work. Of course for larger series CNC machine would be faster, so for same work you need to pay less workers less money because they don't need to be skilful.

TL:DR CNC are not essential, all they do is reduce you labour costs.

In shipyard only really useful CNC machine would be plasma cutter. Ships are built from cut up sheet steel / steel plates /  steel profiles that need to be cut to measure before welding or shaping on the rollers and presses. But that can be done by other methods too, but you will need greater number of more skilful workers to do it the old way.

All other work in shipyards are crazy amount of welding, much of it done manually by very expensive and skilful welders, then large amount of painting, electrical, work, hydraulic and other piping, installation of large amount of equipment received from subcontractors, testing, lots of testing, furnishing, and so on. CNC machines will help you with non of those in any way.

Not to mention CAD and CNC are more important for subcomponents already built elsewhere before getting handed to the shipyard.

One could say that incompetence and sabotage in building these subcomponents(The Almaz Antey fuckup, Ivan Grens shitty engine gears, that ukrainian oligarch sabotaging the sub nuclear reactors) is also a problem but that means that the whole house of cards thats the Russian shipbuilding industry ownership and managements should be purged.


I will always consider the only legitimate delay issues of Russian shipyards are the lack of powerplants, everything else is simply bourgeois treason.

Pella parking lot:

You just backed up zoa on how fucked up the management is for these shipyards.

You obviously never worked in retail... paying 700 million for a boat means much bigger profit margins on everything and lots of spare cash left over in the mix to pay a proper wage and upgrade the shipyard with new tools and equipment.

Paying 200 million for the same boat means lots of efficiencies and cut corners and more critical deadlines for payments... if you pay a subcontracter in advance they will likely turn up early and get the job done quickly... tell them you will pay them when you can and they will do the payment up front jobs first... you might not see him for weeks.

Sometimes the payments wont go through in time and other times the priorities will change and the money will disappear.

If you want to fire people for such things (that they have no control over) then you will end up with the B team... and then the C team... and then the D team... do you think their might be a reason the D team is not starting this job in the first place?

Like there were better people available?

All plans and specs will be CAD based... just for all the wiring.

And CNC machines means that parts can be made on site instead of made on someone elses CNC machine and brought in...

You missed the Point, Kommissar.
Let´s say, India is paying 250 Mio. in advance, so the yard can build the ship 24/7.
Russia is paying less, therefore the yard is only building the ship as fast as it is paid for every step.

You´re right, that the SU could build it´s Navy faster, because 2 Million People were working in the sector and nobody looked at the Money, that was spend. But the workers were living in 15 m² appartements, some Food items were scarce, the whole living conditions were worse.

Look at India. It´s a big slum. Part of Modis election program was the Installation of millions of toilets. But they are spendig Billions on Defence.

Hole wrote:You missed the Point, Kommissar.
Let´s say, India is paying 250 Mio. in advance, so the yard can build the ship 24/7.
Russia is paying less, therefore the yard is only building the ship as fast as it is paid for every step.

You´re right, that the SU could build it´s Navy faster, because 2 Million People were working in the sector and nobody looked at the Money, that was spend. But the workers were living in 15 m² appartements, some Food items were scarce, the whole living conditions were worse.

Look at India. It´s a big slum. Part of Modis election program was the Installation of millions of toilets. But they are spendig Billions on Defence.

sorry buttercup this is a lie, Russia does not pay some now and some later. No shipyard does this, the shipyard will not lay down the vessel if you do not pay them upfront period.

Shipyards require all the money upfront so they do not get stuck with the vessel if the government suddenly cannot pay.

Keep peddling with what a myth.

In which world are you living? No customer will pay the whole amount in front, doens´t matter if the ship is a cruise liner, a Container ship or a nuclear powered multi purpose battle ship. Why do you think western ships are put in Service so fast, even if they are barely capable of staying afloat? The Yard (= the Oligarch behind it) wants his tax Payer Money!

Hole wrote:In which world are you living? No customer will pay the whole amount in front, doens´t matter if the ship is a cruise liner, a Container ship or a nuclear powered multi purpose battle ship. Why do you think western ships are put in Service so fast, even if they are barely capable of staying afloat? The Yard (= the Oligarch behind it) wants his tax Payer Money!

I live in the real world and that is how shipyards operate because if they don't they risk getting stuck with a hull they don't need and then it costs them money to do something about it and that is onething that could go wrong.

So spare me, you can peddle what myths you wish just letting you know those myths aren't reality.

Making up excuses for what is incompetence helps no one but the those being incompetent keep on making problems, it's funny I am on a Russian forum but pro-russian fanboys are defending what is clear harm and sabotage to Russia defense.

It's sad really if you cannot admit there is a problem, the problem will never be fixed.

It's funny how the ONE privately owned company is doing better than all the rest eh? and is actually able to deliver ships on time.

You do realize if your excuse was fact, Pella would have delayed and Pella is always on time.

But geez I wonder why Pella is able to deliver things at a reasonable timeframe but no one else can.....

I swear ignorance simply because it's Russia is a sad sad thing.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Hole wrote:In which world are you living? No customer will pay the whole amount in front, doens´t matter if the ship is a cruise liner, a Container ship or a nuclear powered multi purpose battle ship. Why do you think western ships are put in Service so fast, even if they are barely capable of staying afloat? The Yard (= the Oligarch behind it) wants his tax Payer Money!

I live in the real world and that is how shipyards operate because if they don't they risk getting stuck with a hull they don't need and then it costs them money to do something about it and that is onething that could go wrong.

So spare me, you can peddle what myths you wish just letting you know those myths aren't reality.

Making up excuses for what is incompetence helps no one but the those being incompetent keep on making problems, it's funny I am on a Russian forum but pro-russian fanboys are defending what is clear harm and sabotage to Russia defense.

It's sad really if you cannot admit there is a problem, the problem will never be fixed.

It's funny how the ONE privately owned company is doing better than all the rest eh? and is actually able to deliver ships on time.

You do realize if your excuse was fact, Pella would have delayed and Pella is always on time.

But geez I wonder why Pella is able to deliver things at a reasonable timeframe but no one else can.....

I swear ignorance simply because it's Russia is a sad sad thing.

Are you aware that contracts are made and that there are penalities and delivery dates for each part of the ship. So of course they pay step by step. All the last russian product ships were waiting for years in shipyard because they couldn't give the money to them to finish them which means they didn't pay all at the begining of the construction.

As far as I know, no ship is paid for in advance, at least no ship of a decent size/cost.

Around the world, customer advance the yard enough money to order those subsystems requiring months or years before being delivered, plus an amount enough for the first stage of building/assembly. There is a string of milestones, each to be checked by the customer, and at any milestone cleared the customer advance an additional amount of money for the following stage.

So when or if delays are money related. and assuming russian MoD follows the same approach of virtually every MoD on Earth, such delays could not come unexpected: the MoD refuses to advance an additional amount of money (either because lacking funds or because of bad quality of the work already performed) and the yard stops working in the ship.

But that's not the point.

The russians themselves have many times underlined the poor track record of many yards, some of them being almost unable to complete any ship.

Yantar is not a bad yard at all: whether the indian frigates have been a series built class (again: specializing a yard in a specific class get huge gains n the long run) the "Admirals" have been an updated version tailored for the russian Navy.

Getting one built in four year, opposed to less than three years for the indian version, is no shame at all.

CAD, CAM and CNC machines are the holy grail not only of manufacturing, but of designing as well. Whenever an alteration is needed, having a modern CAD project gives the chance to perform any change in little time, with a far greater chance the new parts would seamlessly couple themselves with the rest of the ship. Occurrences of bulkheads and whatever else no longer fitting where they were supposed to be fitted, because of a last minute design's change, have been an old joke amongst any shipbuilding industry in the wold, and CAD helps avoiding being the next iteration of the same old joke.

But CAD actually opens new possibilities, beyond efficiency and speed. Any part designed with a modern CAD system could be feed into a structural simulator to verify its load bearing and fatigue bearing characteristics. Actually, whole complex systems of tens or hundreds of parts could be studied that way.

And there are far greater design's opportunities: just naming screws, they are far more complex parts than it could appear from the outside: while it is well possible to design a very good screw, both in terms of efficiency and prevention of cavitation effects, actually manufacturing one is a whole different story.

Unless you are hiring a new Michelangelo and his hammer, the only way to realize with the required precision and quality what some naval engineer has spent months to design, is to resort to high precision 5-axis milling machines.

A kind of machines that Russia has been very eager to purchase in numbers from builders in Japan and Switzerland in the late 90ies and early 2000s, for those russian yards building its new subs.

Does it ring some bells?

The bottom line is that many yards require a deep recapitalization of their infrastructure, and only the MoD can pay for it.

On the other hand, without a deep and pervasive accountability system in place (where accountability means everybody has to prove that he is delivering the same level of performances as in the global industry standards), there could not be any guarantee that the money poured to upgrade old and obsolete yards will pay back in terms of quality and speed of building.

Russia has several examples of smart, private companies having succeeded in their markets: Transas, Kaspersky, Pella, S7, Yandex, VK to name a few.

There are surely enough smart, competent and motivated people in Russia to rebuild from the ground up the shipbuilding industry, just give them a chance (and the funds)  to do it, and show the exit door to those old managers and engineers unable to perform as required.

Isos wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Hole wrote:In which world are you living? No customer will pay the whole amount in front, doens´t matter if the ship is a cruise liner, a Container ship or a nuclear powered multi purpose battle ship. Why do you think western ships are put in Service so fast, even if they are barely capable of staying afloat? The Yard (= the Oligarch behind it) wants his tax Payer Money!

I live in the real world and that is how shipyards operate because if they don't they risk getting stuck with a hull they don't need and then it costs them money to do something about it and that is onething that could go wrong.

So spare me, you can peddle what myths you wish just letting you know those myths aren't reality.

Making up excuses for what is incompetence helps no one but the those being incompetent keep on making problems, it's funny I am on a Russian forum but pro-russian fanboys are defending what is clear harm and sabotage to Russia defense.

It's sad really if you cannot admit there is a problem, the problem will never be fixed.

It's funny how the ONE privately owned company is doing better than all the rest eh? and is actually able to deliver ships on time.

You do realize if your excuse was fact, Pella would have delayed and Pella is always on time.

But geez I wonder why Pella is able to deliver things at a reasonable timeframe but no one else can.....

I swear ignorance simply because it's Russia is a sad sad thing.

Are you aware that contracts are made and that there are penalities and delivery dates for each part of the ship. So of course they pay step by step. All the last russian product ships were waiting for years in shipyard because they couldn't give the money to them to finish them which means they didn't pay all at the begining of the construction.

There were delays yes but not because of lack of money. They were waiting years in shipyards for other reasons. Again this is an excuse but hey if you are fine with russia taking over a decade to build one single decently sized ship then hey fine with me, So at that point not only is Russia incompetent in shipbuilding they are incompetent with budgeting

Peŕrier wrote:As far as I know, no ship is paid for in advance, at least no ship of a decent size/cost.

Around the world, customer advance the yard enough money to order those subsystems requiring months or years before being delivered, plus an amount enough for the first stage of building/assembly. There is a string of milestones, each to be checked by the customer, and at any milestone cleared the customer advance an additional amount of money for the following stage.

So when or if delays are money related. and assuming russian MoD follows the same approach of virtually every MoD on Earth, such delays could not come unexpected: the MoD refuses to advance an additional amount of money (either because lacking funds or because of bad quality of the work already performed) and the yard stops working in the ship.

But that's not the point.

The russians themselves have many times underlined the poor track record of many yards, some of them being almost unable to complete any ship.

Yantar is not a bad yard at all: whether the indian frigates have been a series built class (again: specializing a yard in a specific class get huge gains n the long run) the "Admirals" have been an updated version tailored for the russian Navy.

Getting one built in four year, opposed to less than three years for the indian version, is no shame at all.

CAD, CAM and CNC machines are the holy grail not only of manufacturing, but of designing as well. Whenever an alteration is needed, having a modern CAD project gives the chance to perform any change in little time, with a far greater chance the new parts would seamlessly couple themselves with the rest of the ship. Occurrences of bulkheads and whatever else no longer fitting where they were supposed to be fitted, because of a last minute design's change, have been an old joke amongst any shipbuilding industry in the wold, and CAD helps avoiding being the next iteration of the same old joke.

But CAD actually opens new possibilities, beyond efficiency and speed. Any part designed with a modern CAD system could be feed into a structural simulator to verify its load bearing and fatigue bearing characteristics. Actually, whole complex systems of tens or hundreds of parts could be studied that way.

And there are far greater design's opportunities: just naming screws, they are far more complex parts than it could appear from the outside: while it is well possible to design a very good screw, both in terms of efficiency and prevention of cavitation effects, actually manufacturing one is a whole different story.

Unless you are hiring a new Michelangelo and his hammer, the only way to realize with the required precision and quality what some naval engineer has spent months to design, is to resort to high precision 5-axis milling machines.

A kind of machines that Russia has been very eager to purchase in numbers from builders in Japan and Switzerland in the late 90ies and early 2000s, for those russian yards building its new subs.

Does it ring some bells?

The bottom line is that many yards require a deep recapitalization of their infrastructure, and only the MoD can pay for it.

On the other hand, without a deep and pervasive accountability system in place (where accountability means everybody has to prove that he is delivering the same level of performances as in the global industry standards), there could not be any guarantee that the money poured to upgrade old and obsolete yards will pay back in terms of quality and speed of building.

Russia has several examples of smart, private companies having succeeded in their markets: Transas, Kaspersky, Pella, S7, Yandex, VK to name a few.

There are surely enough smart, competent and motivated people in Russia to rebuild from the ground up the shipbuilding industry, just give them a chance (and the funds)  to do it, and show the exit door to those old managers and engineers unable to perform as required.

Far has you know then you would be wrong US, for example, pays upfront for all the stuff we build ship wise.

The infrastructure you can argue is part of the problem sure, but that is not the only problem.

It's the management also which needs to be purged and suitable people put in place.

If a shipyard in China, Korea, US took that long the people in charge would be fired because such delays are not excusable.

Yet it seems according to everyone here incompetent management staff is acceptable, geez I would have thought you'd want the best people for the job.

and yes Russia pays for it's shit upfront. I they didn't their military budget would be VASTLY larger then it is now.

and yes Russia pays for it's shit upfront. I they didn't their military budget would be VASTLY larger then it is now.

What is paid for up front?

Did Russia pay the French for the Ka-52K helicopters for the two Mistral carriers it paid for?

Half of those hulls were built in Russian yards... so how did that work?

Did the Russian government pay full price to the french or the russian ship yards.. or both?

Did the french government pay the russian government back all its money paid and then pay the Russian shipyards for the work they did on the vessels?

The funny thing is you believe what you say... when the current US carrier was laid down was the price agreed and the price paid the same as the final price of these vessels... because there was a rather big difference between when it was laid down and when it enters service... you don't know the actual price until it is complete... ask the Indians about their new modified Russian carrier...

Why would you pay a shipyard the full price of a vessel when it is only building the hull and might not be the place where all the components and systems are installed and fitted out... let alone weapons and aircraft are added...

Why does a shipyard need all that money just to lay down a keel and build a hull and structure around it...

You hit the nail, GarryB.
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Which incentive would a Yard (or any Company, for that matter) have to fix problems with it´s product, when it is already paid in full by the customer?
I can answer it: None!

Shipbuilding firm Almaz has received contracts for the icebreaker project 21180M and two patrol ships

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3143708.html

The United shipbuilding Company is state owned. The problem is the Russian Navy doesn´t have an infinite amount of money. And they got a lot of programmes running, all sorts of ships and submarines. More than 100 are being build, fitted out or tested. Most other countries have three or four programmes. Englang has build one carrier and a few destroyers in the last years. Nothing else. No frigates or submarines. In the next years they will spend most of their money on new SSBN´s.

Hole wrote:The United shipbuilding Company is state owned. The problem is the Russian Navy doesn´t have an infinite amount of money. And they got a lot of programmes running, all sorts of ships and submarines. More than 100 are being build, fitted out or tested. Most other countries have three or four programmes. Englang has build one carrier and a few destroyers in the last years. Nothing else. No frigates or submarines. In the next years they will spend most of their money on new SSBN´s.

I`d rather not say a word about Royal Navy. Their rate of shrinking is appaling, and they can not defend even their domestic waters, not to say about some area of north Atlantic. Russian navy has too much programs in course, so the delays are obvious. Possible that 11356 program of frigates for black sea fleet will end with 3, not 6 ships!

Interview with the General Director of PJSC "Baltic Shipyard" Yantar "

The TASS agency published an interesting interview with the general director of PJSC Baltic Shipyard Yantar Eduard Efimov.

One of the most famous "long-term construction" of the Russian Navy - the large amphibious ship "Ivan Gren" - is planning to hand over to the customer this spring. This year shipbuilders of the Baltic Shipyard "Yantar" will have to hand over another such "paratrooper" and a specialized research vessel to the military. About whether Yantar will be able to build prospective frigates and amphibious ships and whether the second troika of project 11356 patrols will be completed for the Russian Navy, Eduard Efimov, General Director of PSZ, said in an interview with TASS.

- Since the laying of the large landing ship "Ivan Gren" has passed almost 14 years. Why is this ship so unlucky?

"This ship has a difficult destiny: it began to be designed in the last century, it was built in 2004, and in 2010 the construction was suspended due to lack of financing. It continued in 2014. Throughout these years, the customer has repeatedly changed the technical requirements for the ship.

The imprint on the creation of "Ivan Gren" was imposed by the fact that the project was created in the 1990s. That is why during its construction in the last two years a lot of design issues arose. I had to make some amendments to the draft, but now, in my opinion, all the right solutions have been found.

In principle, this ship is not bad by itself. In comparison with the projects created in the Soviet era, with the ships that are now serving their time, he took a step forward in the capacity of landing and equipment. It is equipped with modern radio engineering, weapon systems.

In early April, "Ivan Gren" began the final phase of state trials. We plan to finish them by mid-April, carry out an audit, final finishing and in May transfer this large amphibious ship to the Russian Navy.

- Are there examples when such "long-term" in the end simply left for scrap?

- For our plant, it may be said, it's a matter of honor - to complete this ship. "Squeeze" it and hand it over to the Navy. I note: do not "shove", as some believe, but solve all the problems that arose on this ship - design, technological and other. And this experience, acquired with great difficulty, I believe, will be taken into account when designing such ships.

- How is the construction of the second ship of this series going?

- With "Peter Morgunov" it is much faster, but the technical problems that arose on the main ship, could not but affect the construction of the second. To date, all the flaws are taken into account. In principle, the construction of the ship is very good, we plan to launch it in May, and our company plans to hand it over to the Navy this year, in accordance with the contract. We are committed to this by making every effort. Despite the fact that the delays associated with solving technical issues, still were.

- What amphibious ships are planned to build further?

- The ships of such a project as 11711 will be only two - "Ivan Gren" and "Peter Morgunov." As far as I know, the plans of the Ministry of Defense, the Navy - the construction of new projects, and now there are several options for "paratroopers" of various displacement, which are developed by design bureaus. On which way to go - choose the fleet, and I think that it will definitely be ships of a larger displacement than the "Ivan Gren".

- If the Ministry of Defense orders the Yantar series of new "paratroopers", in what period can they be built?

- If we talk about large amphibious ships, our production capacities and technological capabilities will allow us to build, probably, a series of six ships, and at the final stage of construction, one or two ships a year. Theoretically, the main ship will be built four to five years, and the serial - three to four years. That is, the construction of a series of six ships will take about eight years. It should be taken into account that the serial efficiency of the enterprise is much higher. Hence, serial orders are more profitable for us and for the customer.

- On the "Yantar" three more shells of the project guards project 11356 are standing. What will happen to them?

- To date, we continue to have a contract with the Ministry of Defense of Russia to build a series of six ships 11356, it has not been canceled. The first three ships we handed over to the fleet are Admiral Grigorovich, Admiral Essen and Admiral Makarov. The three remaining ships have fully formed hulls, they are sealed and are on the water. However, according to the decision of the military department, their construction has been suspended. The question of the future fate of the second three is decided by the customer.

- Hull of ships during this time will not rust? And what is the readiness of these in percentages?

- We took all the necessary measures: the ship is on the water, but outside its body is painted, inside the whole underwater part is not only painted, but also isolated - everything is as it should be in technology. This is a normal state, and rust is not terrible for them. It is clear that for 10 or 20 years their condition would not improve. But two or three years they will stand quietly.

The first and second ships are now ready for about 40%, the readiness of the third - about 30%. Of these three, two were officially laid, and the final series of the ship did not have time to lay. Meanwhile, they were given the names "Admiral Kornilov", "Admiral Butakov" and "Admiral Istomin".

- When the construction is resumed, will the contract have to be remodeled somehow?

- No, we have a valid contract, there is only an indefinite notice of the suspension of construction. In addition, there is a signed additional agreement, according to which the deadlines for the delivery of these ships were transferred to 2020 and 2021. If we get the engines in 2019, then this is a very realistic time-frame.

- What is the ratio of civil and military orders to "Yantar" now?

- Our task is to achieve the ratio of civil orders and orders of the Defense Ministry in the next three years at the level of 40 to 60%. Now approximately 80% are state defense orders and 20% of civil orders. For example, we are implementing the first contract for the construction of three trawler-seiners for the Lenin Fisheries Collective Farm named after Lenin from Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky. The contract was concluded in January 2016, the first ship we will give in the autumn of this year, and the next two - in the first half of 2019.

In the near future we plan to replenish the portfolio of civil orders, we are negotiating with potential customers. It is still early to name specific companies, but I can say that they are also fishermen. We offer them products that are similar to the one we are currently producing.

- Is work highly influenced by sanctions?

- If we talk about the civilian segment and, in particular, about the trawlers, then we did not experience any special problems when carrying out this contract. Although the share of foreign suppliers in the total volume of the contract is about 60%. This is all the main equipment - diesel generators, main engines, gear maintenance equipment - winches, drums, refrigeration equipment. We have no problems signing contracts, and now foreign suppliers fulfill their obligations.

- Did the customer choose the Norwegian project of the seiner?

- There is such a thing as the maker's list - the customer of the courts determines the composition of the main equipment. He had seen all this in advance, he had certain wishes for those firms with which we subsequently contracted.

- In Russia there are no similar projects?

- There are domestic manufacturers of basic equipment. But we must admit that while the level of quality of their products does not reach the level of foreign manufacturers.

- With whom it is easier to work - with foreign or domestic suppliers?

- We have a certain experience of cooperation with both foreign and Russian suppliers. There are, of course, problems with domestic supplies, but there are foreign partners with whom we no longer want to work. I believe that with increasing the quality of domestic products, shipbuilders will certainly be more interesting and easier to work with. Especially in the current conditions.

- Do you plan to build anything other than civil utility vehicles?

- In addition to the trawler-seiners, which we have already mastered, Yantar has experience in building ferries, oceanographic and experimental vessels. This is technically complex, saturated with various equipment ships, but for us this is quite understandable work. Therefore, we are looking for potential partners in these areas.

- What is the load of the enterprise now? What size ships can build?

- The production program was formed until 2021, for the next three to four years. The download for this period is close to 100%. To date, it is about 80%. We are working on obtaining new contracts, which are already included in the prospective production program. We continue to work for the next five to seven years.

There are certain restrictions on the construction of ships and vessels at our shipyard - production capacity allows you to build ships of different types with a displacement of up to 12-14 thousand tons. The length of the vessel should not exceed 160 meters, and the width - 28 meters. Otherwise, we just will not let you down

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3155426.html

The annual accounting report of JSC Zelenodolsky Plant for 2017

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3168281.html

The defense-industrial complex of the Crimea is only half loaded

As reported on April 28, 2018 by the news agency REGNUM, the industry of the military-industrial complex of Crimea is half loaded, since there are many unresolved issues. This was announced by the Head of the Republic of Crimea (RK) Sergey Aksyonov at a meeting of the Sea Collegium chaired by the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Dmitry Rogozin in Crimean Livadia on April 28.

"The loading of enterprises of the military-industrial complex of Crimea in total is about 50%. However, there are still a lot of issues that require constant attention and control. I am sure that within the framework of today's meeting we will find ways to solve all the problems facing us, "the head of the region noted.

As REGNUM reported, on March 30, during the report to the Crimean parliament deputies, the head of the RK stated that the defense-industrial complex of the Crimea successfully performs state orders for 22 billion rubles, and is also ready to participate in the development of the Russian Arctic.

"Enterprises of our defense industry complex are carrying out state contracts worth about 22 billion rubles. At the Kerch Shipbuilding Plant "Zaliv" nine ships are being built, about 20 ships have been repaired. More than two billion rubles have been invested in the technical re-equipment of the plant, "the head of the region noted.

Feodosia Plant "More", according to his information, is building three small missile ships of the project 22 800 and raid diving boat.

"In addition, a memorandum was signed with the Black Sea fishing company, which provides for the design and construction of 10 fishing vessels with a displacement of up to thousands of tons in the period from 2018 to 2023," the head of the republic specified.

Also, according to him, the question of placing orders in the interests of the development of the Arctic is being worked out.

"The Council of Ministers concluded 16 investment agreements for a total of more than two billion rubles. Within the framework of the state program for the development of the industrial complex of the republic, a subsidy has been granted to industrial enterprises that implement projects to modernize production facilities, develop and introduce innovative technologies. More than 51 million rubles have been allocated for these purposes, "he added.

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Hole wrote:The United shipbuilding Company is state owned. The problem is the Russian Navy doesn´t have an infinite amount of money. And they got a lot of programmes running, all sorts of ships and submarines. More than 100 are being build, fitted out or tested. Most other countries have three or four programmes. Englang has build one carrier and a few destroyers in the last years. Nothing else. No frigates or submarines. In the next years they will spend most of their money on new SSBN´s.

Well said, and it is this fact that accounts for much of the delays (along engine supply issues and a re-evaluation of priorities). With so many irons in the fire, each project has a set cash flow under the national re-armament plan. If the shipyard runs into issues, the solution is to extend the build to absorb delays and defer completion. Russia refuses to combat problems by throwing money at it like we do in the West, reasoning correctly that such will only encourage corruption and do little to solve anything.

Personally, I think this is a exactly the way an MIC should be run. State-owned enterprises competing with each other in terms of price, quality and delivery, and mandated by the State to deliver at the best terms to the public need. Workers get paid, execs get bonuses based on meeting KPIs (not based on profit but on efficiency and delivering to plan), and all profits are invested back into the enterprise (and supplemented by gov-appointed funds for specific upgrades). Russia isn't there yet by a country mile, but the trajectory is promising.

The plan of loading of the enterprises of Crimea till 2030 will be formed within two months

The plan of loading of the enterprises of Crimea till 2030 will be formed within two months
The vice-premier stressed that the leadership of the region knows what and where it is going to build
YALTA, April 28. / TASS /. The plan for loading the Crimean enterprises will be formed for the period until 2030 within two months. This was announced here by Deputy Prime Minister of Russia Dmitry Rogozin following the results of the Maritime Board.

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Putin signs decree to transfer Crimean shipyard to Rostec

The shipyard’s shares will be transferred to the Kalashnikov Concern for trust management

MOSCOW, May 23. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree to transfer the More shipyard (Feodosia, Crimea) to the state corporation Rostec as assets contribution in the period until 2019, the Russian leader’s decree published on the legal information portal states.

"To accept the offer of the Russian government to transform the federal state unitary enterprise More shipyard into a joint-stock company with 100% of its shares belonging to the government and to transfer the shares to the state corporation Rostec as assets contribution of the Russian Federation," the presidential decree informs.

"Our mission is to support the enterprise. The shipyard does not reach its capacity and needs to be modernized. In order to reach these goals, we plan to transfer its shares to the Kalashnikov [a Russian defense manufacturing] concern for trust management. The concern actively develops shipbuilding and consolidates assets in this sphere. One of its main areas of work is building of high-speed ships, where the More shipyard’s competences can be used," Rostec representative Leonid Khozin told TASS.

Earlier, the Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade informed that the federal state unitary enterprise More shipyard, located in Feodosia, will be transformed into a joint-stock company to form a part of the Rostec company. The shipyard’s shares will be transferred to the Kalashnikov Concern for trust management, which will extend its competences in the spheres of shipbuilding and production of goods from light alloy. It will also develop and modernize the enterprise. Along with civilian items, the More shipyard produces the Zubr-class air-cushioned landing craft ship and anti-submarine warfare vessels Sokol.
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