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Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News
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So a large shipyard in the far east built with China in addition to the large shipyard in the far east built with South Korea... almost as if they are planning to build and operate large ships... spooky...
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I believe minor work was done but the project was canceled and no major progress was ever made
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Just found this regarding vostok-raffles shipyard in Vladivostok (article from 2017)
http://www.eworldship.com/html/2017/Shipyards_0324/126161.html
Furthermore, in their own website it is written that the shipyard should be build in 2021/2024
http://vostokraffles.ru/about/
http://vostokraffles.ru/proekty/
http://www.eworldship.com/html/2017/Shipyards_0324/126161.html
Google translate wrote:Zhenhua Heavy Industry ( stock ) enters the Russian market and will cooperate with Russia's largest shipbuilding group, the Russian Federation Shipbuilding Group, in the field of shipbuilding and shipbuilding equipment production.
The Russian United Shipbuilding Group stated that on March 22, the company signed a memorandum of understanding on cooperation and joint operations with Shanghai Zhenhua Heavy Industry (Group) Co., Ltd. The two sides agreed to establish a working group and develop a road map for the implementation of the content of the memorandum.
Sources pointed out that Russia and the United Shipbuilding Group and Shanghai Zhenhua Heavy Industries said the two sides intend to achieve Zhenhua Heavy Industries modern marine equipment localization of production work in Russia for the construction of floating crane ( Product Library Buy supplies ), pipes and cables ( Product library purchase and supply ) laying ship, dredging ship, super large cargo ship, drilling platform ( ship type shipyard trading ) auxiliary ship.
The Russian United Shipbuilding Group (USC) was established in 2007, integrating 100% of the state-owned joint-stock companies in Russia's domestic shipbuilding industry, and Russia's largest shipbuilding group. The group has a total of 33 ship design and construction shipyards. The newly established head office consists of nine construction bureaus and three regional shipbuilding centres. The Western Shipbuilding Center consists of seven companies; the Northwest Shipbuilding Center consists of five companies; and the Far East Shipbuilding Center consists of 10 companies. There are both military shipyards and civilian shipyards.
In the following years, the Russian United Shipbuilding Group established two large shipyards, Zvezda DSME and Vostok-Raffles, in the Far East through cooperation with foreign companies (including Daewoo Shipbuilding and Yantai Raffles). In September 2016, Hyundai Heavy Industries ( ship hangar location ) established a joint venture with the Russian Joint Shipbuilding Far East Shipbuilding and Repairing Center (Russian United Shipbuilding Holding Company) to focus on ship design and shipbuilding project management.
It is understood that Zhenhua Heavy Industry has already prepared for entering Russia. In November 2015, Zhenhua Heavy Industries' Russian subsidiary was formally incorporated. Russia's strong industrial base, research strength in metal materials, welding ( Product Library Buy Supply ) technology, wear-resistant corrosion made great achievements, but the overall infrastructure is weak, Zhenhua Port Machinery and equipment, marine vessels The market potential is huge.
The cooperation with the Russian joint shipbuilding group has laid a solid foundation for Zhenhua Heavy Industry to further develop the Russian and CIS countries.
Furthermore, in their own website it is written that the shipyard should be build in 2021/2024
http://vostokraffles.ru/about/
VOSTOK-RAFFLS Joint-Stock Company (hereinafter referred to as the Company) was registered on 07.05.2010 in Vladivostok and is a joint venture of the Far Eastern Shipbuilding and Repair Center JSC and the Singapore-based VOSTOK OFFSHORE PTE . LTD ”included in the group of companies of PJSC“ NK “Rosneft”.
The main purpose of the Society is to implement the project of a modern shipyard for offshore shipbuilding in the Far East of Russia. The construction site of the new shipbuilding complex of Vostok-Raffles JSC is located in the Bay of Five Hunters of the Ussuri Bay in the Shkotovsky district of the Primorsky Territory. The project to create a shipyard of offshore shipbuilding JSC "Vostok Ruffles" is the II stage of construction of the SCC "Zvezda" (the planned construction period 2021-2024 ).
http://vostokraffles.ru/proekty/
The shipbuilding complex “Zvezda” is located at two sites in the southern part of the Primorsky Territory on the western coast of Peter the Great Bay of the Sea of Japan, on the coast of the Ussuriysk Gulf in the Bolshoy Kamen Bay and in the Bay of Five Hunters.
The project of creating a shipyard of Vostok-Raffles JSC is the III phase of construction of the Svk Zvezda (the planned construction period is 2021-2024).
The project is implemented in 3 stages.
Stage 1 - Block production facilities and painting chambers.
Phase 2 - Open outbuilding heavy stocks with saturation workshops, dry dock and outbuilding workshops.
Stage 3 - Workshop unit and dry dock in Mysovaya settlement ( Vostok-Raffles site)
Design is carried out in two stages.
The essence of a two-stage design is that the documentation necessary for construction is not compiled immediately, but in stages: at the first stage (“I stage”) decisions are made on general issues of principle, then such decisions are comprehensively evaluated, corrected, approved and only after elimination of all identified deficiencies detailed working documentation for construction is being compiled. The advantage of such a system is to minimize the cost of processing project documentation in case of unsuccessful common solutions.
In the two-stage design work is divided into 2 stages:
- Stage Project (P)
- stage Working documentation (PD)
At the Project stage, the main architectural-planning and constructive decisions (including the master plan), decisions on engineering equipment and networks are made without specification. When designing environmental management facilities at this stage, decisions of a fundamental nature are made concerning the choice of the type of structure, its location, the main design decisions, the method of construction, etc. For industrial enterprises, schematic diagrams of technological processes are selected, general issues of management and labor protection are solved. Consolidated estimates are carried out, issues of construction organization are solved. A mandatory element of the project is the environmental section.
To compile the project, special engineering surveys are ordered and performed. Such surveys are done in a reduced volume, but they should allow to draw conclusions about the suitability of the site, the preference of one or another type of foundation (shallow, pile, deep supports, etc.), i.e. allow to solve general issues of principle.
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That's for Zvesda shipyard not some new shipyard.
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:That's for Zvesda shipyard not some new shipyard.
The project of creating a shipyard of Vostok-Raffles JSC is the III phase of construction of the Svk Zvezda (the planned construction period is 2021-2024).
Basically it will be managed together with Zvezda but it is a different site in, Vladivostok, not in Balshoi kamen where Zvezda is.
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Rodion_Romanovic wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:That's for Zvesda shipyard not some new shipyard.
The project of creating a shipyard of Vostok-Raffles JSC is the III phase of construction of the Svk Zvezda (the planned construction period is 2021-2024).
Basically it will be managed together with Zvezda but it is a different site in, Vladivostok, not in Balshoi kamen where Zvezda is.
yes, I know but it's still "Part of" Zvezda shipyard it was never its own thing. This from day one part of it.
I am pointing out people are going to think suddenly there are two new major shipyards when it's always been part of the same exact plan since day one, so this isn't news.
Like they can't build a carrier at this site it's just for the repair of large hull vessels since Vlad doesn't really have that ability atm.
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:Rodion_Romanovic wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:That's for Zvesda shipyard not some new shipyard.
The project of creating a shipyard of Vostok-Raffles JSC is the III phase of construction of the Svk Zvezda (the planned construction period is 2021-2024).
Basically it will be managed together with Zvezda but it is a different site in, Vladivostok, not in Balshoi kamen where Zvezda is.
yes, I know but it's still "Part of" Zvezda shipyard it was never its own thing. This from day one part of it.
I am pointing out people are going to think suddenly there are two new major shipyards when it's always been part of the same exact plan since day one, so this isn't news.
Like they can't build a carrier at this site it's just for the repair of large hull vessels since Vlad doesn't really have that ability atm.
If we apply the same reasoning then the shipyard in Kerch (Crimea) is the same shipyard as zelenodovsk, even if they are not in the same place because it is managed by the same company.
Of course vladivostok and balshoi kamen are relatively closer to each other and also in the same region, but the 2 shipyards are more than 100km aparts, so they are not the same one.
Anyway I did not suggest anywhere that they will produce aircraft carriers in Vladivostok. However, once the shipyard is created/modernised, they can use the site in Vladivostok to build fairly large civil ships (even if nothing the size of an aframax tanker) and maybe even destroyers and frigates for the navy if needed. This would free Zvezda in bolshoi kamen for the really huge ships (huge tankers and, if needed also aircraft carriers)
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When I part of, I mean the plan. This was part of the original plan.
I don't think that site is being enlarged to the point it can build something like a Lider, remember a lider is like a17kish size ship.
That's a Guided Missile Cruiser, frigate sure they could manage it there, 10k ton DDs? sure probs could.
I don't think that site is being enlarged to the point it can build something like a Lider, remember a lider is like a17kish size ship.
That's a Guided Missile Cruiser, frigate sure they could manage it there, 10k ton DDs? sure probs could.
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:When I part of, I mean the plan. This was part of the original plan.
I don't think that site is being enlarged to the point it can build something like a Lider, remember a lider is like a17kish size ship.
That's a Guided Missile Cruiser, frigate sure they could manage it there, 10k ton DDs? sure probs could.
well that means that in 5 years they will have several places in the far east where they could build good escorting ships of the size of a udaloy class destroyer (e.g. a modern 22350M frigate/destroyer)
According to what I read in this website
http://kcmk.ru/en/enterprises/amursky/default.htm
Amur shipyard is already capable of building such ships
(Udaloy class destroyers have the following dimensions
Displacement: 6,930 tons standard (7,570 tons full load)
Length:163 m (535 ft)
Beam:19.3 m (63 ft)
Draught:6.2 m (20 ft)
(and we can expect 22350M (Gorshkov-M) to be about the same)
http://kcmk.ru/en/enterprises/amursky/default.htm wrote:
The shipyard operates three covered slipways with the following dimensions:
Berth A - 170.0×105.0m (three docks);
Berth B - 235.2×119.2m (four docks);
Berth C - 283.5×63.0m (two docks).
These facilities enable the Amur Shipyard to build ships and vessels up to 195×19×6.2m in size. The docks are fitted with cranes of up to 100t lifting capacity
If now the personnel got "retrained" after building a series of large corvettes 22380, they could be promoted to building frigates 22350 or frigates destroyer 22350M and/or 11711 LST for the pacific fleet.
The corvettes could instead be built by vostochny yard in Vladivostok if they do a decent job with their first order of 22800 small corvettes/missile ships.
And that is current 2019 capabilities.
In 2024 the shipbuilding capability in the far east will have been increased by at least the equivalent of all the shipyards lost in Nicolayev.
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See thats what I am trying to clear up, upgrading that area in Vlad was always happening. Like you shouldn't count it has something new added onto the Zvesda expansion it was always part of the Zvesda expansion in the first place
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Is the work to upgrade Severnaya Verf in Saint Petersburg
proceeding as scheduled?
About one and half years ago they signed a contract for work to be finished in 2019.
https://www.bairdmaritime.com/ship-world/1261-metrostroy-signs-contract-for-new-russian-shipbuilding-facilities
proceeding as scheduled?
About one and half years ago they signed a contract for work to be finished in 2019.
https://www.bairdmaritime.com/ship-world/1261-metrostroy-signs-contract-for-new-russian-shipbuilding-facilities
Baird Maritime wrote:
METROSTROY SIGNS CONTRACT FOR NEW RUSSIAN SHIPBUILDING FACILITIES
January 2, 2018
Written by Baird Maritime
Published in Ship World
A new shipbuilding facility will be built at Russia's Severnaya Verf shipyard to allow it to build larger ships.
As part of phase one, the United Shipbuilding Corporation subsidiary and Metrostroy have signed a contract for the construction of a slipway and a covered slip at the Gutuevsky Island shipyard off St Petersburg.
Metrostroy will build a slipway ground with a covered double-slip dock measuring 250 metres by 140 metres by 75 metres.
The dock will be equipped with 350-tonne bridge cranes and transfer equipment. The works are to be completed in the first quarter of 2019.
Director General of Severnaya Verf shipyard Igor Ponomarev said the works would be financed by United Shipbuilding Corporation and the Federal Targeted Program.
“The new facility will build large-capacity warships and civil vessels weighing up to 25,000 tonnes and (allow) assembly of pre-fabricated large blocks," said Mr Ponomarev.
"That will expand the range of shipyard’s products with new-generation frigates, landing craft, gas carriers and oil tankers.”
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I saw it briefly mentioned in the media after Putin's visit last week.
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You owe me
https://flotprom.ru/2019/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%92%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%84%D1%8C13/
because
https://www.korabel.ru/news/comments/v_osk_reshili_razorvat_kontrakt_s_metrostroem_na_modernizaciyu_severnoy_verfi.html
https://flotprom.ru/2019/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%92%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%84%D1%8C13/
because
https://www.korabel.ru/news/comments/v_osk_reshili_razorvat_kontrakt_s_metrostroem_na_modernizaciyu_severnoy_verfi.html
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verkhoturye51 wrote:You owe me
https://flotprom.ru/2019/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%92%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%84%D1%8C13/
because
https://www.korabel.ru/news/comments/v_osk_reshili_razorvat_kontrakt_s_metrostroem_na_modernizaciyu_severnoy_verfi.html
Thanks for the links.
Well, now the president of Russia is monitoring the situation. I imagine that they will assign the work to.another company and it will be closely observed to check the progression. Maybe this will delay the completion of the work until first quarter of 2020 but should not compromise it completely.
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New dock complex DK-4382 for GUGI
According to the press service of the Northern Machine-Building Enterprise Production Association JSC (Sevmash), on April 24, 2019, the dock complex DK-4382 was laid on Sevmash (part of United Shipbuilding Corporation JSC). The event was attended by representatives of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the Navy of the Russian Federation, Sevmash, JSC CMDB Almaz, the administration and city council of Severodvinsk.
In the slipway of the slip-and-put production, the construction of the dock complex, which includes a small floating dock and a power station, was launched in a solemn atmosphere. The engineering structure is intended for maintenance and repair of deep-sea technical equipment.
A laid board in the pocket of the small floating dock was installed by Vice-Admiral Alexei Burilichev, Head of the Main Directorate of Deep-Water Research (GUGI) of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, and Sevmash Director General Mikhail Budnichenko, and Alexander Shlychtenko, Director of the TsMKB Almaz Joint-Stock Company and research specialist at the military unit 40056, Andrey Ryabukhin.
- This order is extremely important and necessary. I hope that it will be completed on time and with high quality, ”noted Vice-Admiral Alexey Burilichev, Head of the Main Directorate for Deep-Sea Research of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
We were lucky to work with the company for the manufacture of unique designs. You perfectly make both the main products - submarines, and surface ships. A striking proof of this is the Vikramaditya aircraft carrier, said Alexander Shlyakhtenko, general director of Almaz Centralized Industrial Enterprise JSC.
Comment bmpd. Presumably, we have been talking about the official laying for some time (apparently, since 2017) of the dock complex DK-4382 under construction at Sevmash for GUGI (the Quaker-2 object), which is a small floating docking slip project 22710 2D ") and the floating power station-power unit of the project 22720 for the power supply of the dock slip Dock complex, apparently, is designed to accommodate nuclear deep-water stations (AGS).
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3626962.html
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View of the shipyard "Zaliv" in Kerch
An interesting video filming by Andrei Polovinkin dated April 29, 2019 from the multikopter of the territory of the Shipyard Zaliv in Kerch, LLC. The Pavel Derzhavin patrol ship being built for the Russian Navy is clearly visible (serial number 163) of project 22160, launched on February 21, 2019.
The video also shows two Sviyaga cable vessels being built in the dry dock (originally called Volga) and Vyatka of project 15310 (serial numbers 301 and 302; construction actually stopped until the issue of import substitution of foreign equipment was resolved), which is under construction the berth site patrol ship "Sergey Kotov" project 22160 (serial number 164) and three small rocket ships Cyclone under construction on the open berth area and (tentative names) "Monsoon" and "Passat" project 22800 (801, 802 and 803).
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3628831.html
An interesting video filming by Andrei Polovinkin dated April 29, 2019 from the multikopter of the territory of the Shipyard Zaliv in Kerch, LLC. The Pavel Derzhavin patrol ship being built for the Russian Navy is clearly visible (serial number 163) of project 22160, launched on February 21, 2019.
The video also shows two Sviyaga cable vessels being built in the dry dock (originally called Volga) and Vyatka of project 15310 (serial numbers 301 and 302; construction actually stopped until the issue of import substitution of foreign equipment was resolved), which is under construction the berth site patrol ship "Sergey Kotov" project 22160 (serial number 164) and three small rocket ships Cyclone under construction on the open berth area and (tentative names) "Monsoon" and "Passat" project 22800 (801, 802 and 803).
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3628831.html
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Lot of space for enlargement around that yard.
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https://flotprom.ru/2019/Пелла4/
100 m is just a few metres short of the size of a 22380
Corvette (22380 is 104m long, 22385 is 106 m long, 22386 109m while karakurt corvettes are 67metres long and 22160 patrol ships 94m long)
https://flotprom.ru/2019/Пелла4/ wrote:
Pella" will expand production site in Otradnoe
May 8, 2019
The new shipbuilding complex of the Pella plant in the town of Otradnoe of the Leningrad Region will be expanded. The commissioning of additional capacity is planned for 2020.
"In 2019, a decision was made to expand the new shipbuilding complex of Pella, and in 2020, commissioning is planned: three slipways, two outfitting workshops, a warehouse building and a power unit," the shipyard's 2018 annual report says.
The new shipbuilding complex "Pella" allows you to build ships and vessels up to 100 meters in length, up to 26 meters wide and with draft up to 6 meters. The total amount of extra-budgetary investments in the creation of the site amounted to 6.3 billion rubles, specified in the annual report.
As part of the state defense order, Pella is building raid tugs, Raptor patrol boats, small rocket ships of Project 22800 Karakurt, special purpose ships in the interests of the Main Directorate of Deep-Sea Research of the Russian Defense Ministry.
100 m is just a few metres short of the size of a 22380
Corvette (22380 is 104m long, 22385 is 106 m long, 22386 109m while karakurt corvettes are 67metres long and 22160 patrol ships 94m long)
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So they are planning to make a dozen new upgraded Gorshkov Frigates, but at 7K ton they are pretty much actually destroyers.
I suppose that is progress... 12 would be a good start and hopefully once they get them into production the time it takes getting them into service will drop as they get experience, and they might end up making twice that number, with perhaps 8-12 bigger ships that would allow a variety of tasks to be performed around the place.
http://tass.com/defense/1057638
I suppose that is progress... 12 would be a good start and hopefully once they get them into production the time it takes getting them into service will drop as they get experience, and they might end up making twice that number, with perhaps 8-12 bigger ships that would allow a variety of tasks to be performed around the place.
http://tass.com/defense/1057638
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Russia should just give as much funds to Pella as they can and make it the premier builder of 22800s, 20385s and 22160s.
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Tingsay wrote:Russia should just give as much funds to Pella as they can and make it the premier builder of 22800s, 20385s and 22160s.
I would tend to agree, however,
as i wrote above, it is not clear if after the expansion they will be able to build 20385s there, as they say that they will be able to build ships up to 100m long, while 22385 is 106 m long and 22380 is 104m long.
Maybe they meant up to about 100m, and a few meters more will not be outside the size constraint of the plant.
It would be also not have been that smart to expand their facility to build navy corvettes, but then limit the ability to produce the current navy corvettes because their size constraints are just a few meter short of the actual size of the ships that the navy wants.
If they could cope with 109 m long ships they could even build there 22386!
Edit;
The expansion started before they had order for the navy, so...not.sure about it.
The largest ships currently in production or in order there, according to their website, is a 93 m long icebreaker
http://www.pellaship.ru/en/tundra-8200/th.html
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They could build leader class nuclear destroyers/cruisers after 2023...(letting severnaya verf concentrate on 22350s).
Baltiysky Zavod will not build warships until 2022
May 25, 2019 at 16:32 Topic: Industry
The construction of warships at the Baltic Shipyard is not planned in the coming years. On May 25, during the launching ceremony of the nuclear-powered icebreaker "Ural", the company's general director Alexey Kadilov announced this when answering a question from the journalist Mil.Press FlotProm.
Kadilov added that the company is now loaded with orders, but it also has the necessary experience and competencies to build surface warships.
Consultations on the construction of military ships at the Baltic plant can begin in 2022-2024, he concluded. Alexey Kadilov did not specify the construction of ships of which projects may be involved.
In the 2000s, the Baltic Shipyard built a series of frigates for India, and in 2014, the aft part of a Mistral-type helicopter carrier.
They could build leader class nuclear destroyers/cruisers after 2023...(letting severnaya verf concentrate on 22350s).
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Pella shipyard.
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Damn, they could build full size corvettes there easy
What are they waiting for?