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Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News
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Zaliv shipyard, Kerch
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Plans for building new floating docks
According to the web resource Mil.Press FlotProm, Amur Shipbuilding Plant JSC (NEA, part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation JSC - USC) on February 3, 2020 posted on the state procurement portal a request for proposals on the development of a new transport and launch floating dock project with a loading capacity up to 7500 tons. Design should be completed in about a year. According to Mil.Press FlotProm, two industry sources, the construction of new docks for Russian shipyards is part of the docking program, which is currently being discussed in the management of the United Shipbuilding Corporation and other shipbuilding enterprises in Russia.
The new dock is intended for receiving from shipyard slipways and launching of ships and vessels with dock mass of up to 7500 tons, as well as for their transportation to the Vladivostok and Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky districts. Now for these purposes, the launch and transport floating dock of project 17571 Zeya is used (the designer is TsMKB Almaz, the shipyard builder is the shipyard). Its carrying capacity is 7820 tons.
The maximum contract price for the development of a new dock design documentation for the NEA is 203 million rubles including VAT. Applications for participation in the procurement are accepted from February 3 to 13.
"At the end of 2019 - the beginning of 2020, the OSK leadership held a series of meetings on the design and construction of new floating docks, including with enterprises outside the corporation's circuit," two industry sources told Mil.Press FlotProm. According to one of the interlocutors of the publication, after a series of incidents with floating docks in 2018-2019, Russian shipbuilders needed new PDs and now they have begun to allocate funds for these purposes. And the 33rd Shipyard has long been in need of a dock capable of receiving ships with a displacement of up to 6000 tons.
Design such facilities can TsMKB "Almaz", KB "Coral" and TsKB "Monolith".
As follows from the procurement documentation, the technical requirements were approved in October last year. The length of the structure along the slipway deck is about 152.8 meters, width - 23.5 meters, pontoon height - 1.8 meters, draft with a maximum load capacity of about 4 meters.
The delivery deadline for documentation from the contractor for the last stage is 52 weeks, the deadline for issuing source data for the same stage is 32 weeks from the date of signing the contract. Thus, the dock project should be ready in about a year.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3926681.html
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So that means that with such docks Amur shipyard will be able to build also large frigates (22350 and 22350M)?
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Here some nice aerial view (video and photos) from Zaliv shipyard in Kerch (Crimea) from 18/02/2020
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3938421.html
Just for info, these are the two 8000 tons cable ships (140 meters long and 19 meters wide).
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2018/february-2018-navy-naval-defense-news/5949-construction-of-two-project-15310-cable-ships-for-russian-navy-progressing-well.html
You can see a part of the front of one of the 2 ships here
As you see the back half of the drydock is occupied by these two ships.
If they don't launch them soon it means that while they can still build smaller ship in the front part of the drydock, and of course in the boathouses and open slipways, it will be a problem to start building there the 2 large helicopter carriers (they planned to start the work on May 9th this year, I believe)....
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3938421.html
In particular, it can be seen is in the completion afloat at the wall of the enterprise patrol ship "Pavel Derzhavin" (serial number 163) of the project 22160, deflated water more February 21, 2019. Also at the outfitting wall is the civilian rescue vessel "Rescuer Ilyin" ( serial number 113) of the MPSV07 project.
The video also shows two Volga cable vessels being built in a dry dock (according to several sources, renamed Sviyaga ) and VyatkaProject 15310 (serial numbers 301 and 302; construction is very slow due to the protracted solution to the issue of import substitution of foreign equipment), the patrol ship Sergey Kotov of project 22160 (serial number 164) and three small ones being built on an open slipway are being built on an open slipway missile ship "Cyclone" and (alleged names) "Askold" and "Amur" project 22800 (serial numbers 801, 802 and 803). Warships and auxiliary ships under construction at Zaliv Shipbuilding Plant LLC. Russian Navy. Kerch, 02/18/2020 (c) footage from the video "Resident of the Hero City" (via vk.
Just for info, these are the two 8000 tons cable ships (140 meters long and 19 meters wide).
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2018/february-2018-navy-naval-defense-news/5949-construction-of-two-project-15310-cable-ships-for-russian-navy-progressing-well.html
You can see a part of the front of one of the 2 ships here
As you see the back half of the drydock is occupied by these two ships.
If they don't launch them soon it means that while they can still build smaller ship in the front part of the drydock, and of course in the boathouses and open slipways, it will be a problem to start building there the 2 large helicopter carriers (they planned to start the work on May 9th this year, I believe)....
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Rodion_Romanovic wrote:Here some nice aerial view (video and photos) from Zaliv shipyard in Kerch (Crimea) from 18/02/2020
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3938421.html
In particular, it can be seen is in the completion afloat at the wall of the enterprise patrol ship "Pavel Derzhavin" (serial number 163) of the project 22160, deflated water more February 21, 2019. Also at the outfitting wall is the civilian rescue vessel "Rescuer Ilyin" ( serial number 113) of the MPSV07 project.
The video also shows two Volga cable vessels being built in a dry dock (according to several sources, renamed Sviyaga ) and VyatkaProject 15310 (serial numbers 301 and 302; construction is very slow due to the protracted solution to the issue of import substitution of foreign equipment), the patrol ship Sergey Kotov of project 22160 (serial number 164) and three small ones being built on an open slipway are being built on an open slipway missile ship "Cyclone" and (alleged names) "Askold" and "Amur" project 22800 (serial numbers 801, 802 and 803). Warships and auxiliary ships under construction at Zaliv Shipbuilding Plant LLC. Russian Navy. Kerch, 02/18/2020 (c) footage from the video "Resident of the Hero City" (via vk.
Just for info, these are the two 8000 tons cable ships (140 meters long and 19 meters wide).
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2018/february-2018-navy-naval-defense-news/5949-construction-of-two-project-15310-cable-ships-for-russian-navy-progressing-well.html
You can see a part of the front of one of the 2 ships here
As you see the back half of the drydock is occupied by these two ships.
If they don't launch them soon it means that while they can still build smaller ship in the front part of the drydock, and of course in the boathouses and open slipways, it will be a problem to start building there the 2 large helicopter carriers (they planned to start the work on May 9th this year, I believe)....
By the way, the Navy needs additional cable laying ships (4 more in addition to the 2 being built in Zaliv (which have delays due to import substitution).
https://flotprom.ru/2020/%D0%92%D0%BC%D1%8424/
Navy needed marine cable vessels
February 21, 2020 at 11:50 Theme: Industry
The Russian Navy is in need of a series of new cable-type ships of the sea type in addition to the ocean-based CS of project 15310 Sviyaga and Vyatka. This Mil.Press FlotProm reported two sources, industry and navy.
New vessels are needed, including for the laying of trunk lighting systems for underwater situations.
The fleet's demand for marine CS is six units: two each for the Northern and Pacific fleets and one for the Baltic and Black Sea.
Two cable vessels of the ocean class of project 15310 will go to the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet. Now their construction on the Gulf of Kerch is being delayed due to non-delivery of a number of cable equipment due to sanctions. The delivery of the vessels was planned for 2021-2022.
Another source said that one of the design bureaus has already begun relevant studies. At the same time, he added, when creating marine CSs, they will adhere to the principle of maximum import substitution, for which a number of experimental design work is being carried out.
Among the related OCDs are Boom 3 and Cable.
In addition, it is planned to modernize existing marine cable vessels.
In March 2019, it became known that the MGK-608M stationary fixed underwater lighting complex for the Northern Fleet, damaged in 2016, was never restored . One of the reasons industry interlocutors called the lack of cable vessels.
Dmitry Zhavoronkov
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The enterprise is punished for the successful repair of nuclear submarine assemblies without a license
According to the newspaper Kommersant, in the article by Nikolai Sergeyev, “Repair of four submarines is recognized as null and void.
Zvezdochka and its former general director should return the entire cost of the contract to the state, ”the military prosecutor’s office recovered money from an enterprise that repaired the units of four nuclear submarines (NPS) of the Northern Fleet, without special licenses. The head of the company received a sentence for illegal entrepreneurship in the field of state defense orders. It is interesting that the customer in the person of the Ministry of Defense had no complaints about the quality of work.
The lawsuit of the military prosecutor's office against Zvyozdochka Special Industrial and Technical Base JSC and its former leader Konstantin Khryukin were granted by the Polar District Court of the Murmansk Region located in the city of Gadzhievo. The reason for the civil proceedings was the criminal process that took place in the same court.
As the investigating authorities and then the court established, Mr. Khryukin headed JSC SPTB Zvezdochka from January 2013 to January 2016. According to the charter of the company, it was entitled to engage in “any kind of activity not prohibited by the current legislation of the Russian Federation”, while it did not have some special licenses.
Meanwhile, on February 18, 2014, between the Ministry of Defense and the Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center OJSC (Zvezdochka CS), a state contract was signed for serial maintenance and repair of ships and vessels of the Northern Fleet for the period 2014-2016. As a co-executor of the contracts, Zvyozdochka CS brought in Zvezdochka SPTB.
In 2014–2015, the last company performed work at the electric compressor stations of the Panther nuclear submarine worth 7.4 million rubles, the Volk nuclear submarine - 2.5 million rubles, the Voronezh nuclear submarine - 340 thousand rubles., Nuclear submarine "Cheetah" - 2 million rubles. and so on. for which the general contractor transferred to him a total of 14.4 million rubles. Moreover, the specialists of SPTB Zvyozdochka worked in places of permanent deployment of nuclear submarines in the cities of Gadzhievo and Zaozersk.
When it turned out that the work was carried out without a license, Konstantin Khryukin was charged with committing a crime under subsection “b” of part 2 of art. 171 (illegal business associated with the extraction of income in a particularly large amount) of the Criminal Code.
The Polar District Court has appointed the former general director of SPTB Zvyozdochka a year and a half of a settlement colony. However, given that the entrepreneur was previously convicted under Part 1 of Art. 201 of the Criminal Code for abuse of power, also committed in the repair of vessels of the Northern Fleet, the term was increased to two and a half years of settlement.
Turning to the court, the military prosecutor’s office indicated that Mr. Khryukin had deliberately made a deal with a goal “obviously contrary to the foundations of law and order and morality,” which also affected the interests of the country's defense and security. The supervision demanded that the transaction be recognized as null and void, and the income from it should be turned into the income of the treasury of the Russian Federation.
The representative of the convict Khryukin did not agree with the prosecutor’s lawsuit, believing that the stated claims were unfounded. According to him, there are no grounds for satisfying the application, since all the work was done efficiently and on time. The representative of JSC SPTB Zvyozdochka also noted that no claims of the state customer were addressed to this enterprise or to the Zvyozdochka CA. “The result of the work performed is currently being used by the RF Ministry of Defense,” he added.
The court decided that SPTB Zvyozdochka JSC had performed works whose necessary quality was not and could not be adequately ensured due to the company’s lack of a license to repair armaments and military equipment in the corresponding class.
Noting that Mr Khryukin’s “dishonesty and wrongfulness of actions” was established by a verdict that entered into force, and the transaction was void, the court collected 14,407,930 rubles from the former general director of SPTB Zvyozdochka JSC and the enterprise itself, as well as a state duty.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3958569.html
According to the newspaper Kommersant, in the article by Nikolai Sergeyev, “Repair of four submarines is recognized as null and void.
Zvezdochka and its former general director should return the entire cost of the contract to the state, ”the military prosecutor’s office recovered money from an enterprise that repaired the units of four nuclear submarines (NPS) of the Northern Fleet, without special licenses. The head of the company received a sentence for illegal entrepreneurship in the field of state defense orders. It is interesting that the customer in the person of the Ministry of Defense had no complaints about the quality of work.
The lawsuit of the military prosecutor's office against Zvyozdochka Special Industrial and Technical Base JSC and its former leader Konstantin Khryukin were granted by the Polar District Court of the Murmansk Region located in the city of Gadzhievo. The reason for the civil proceedings was the criminal process that took place in the same court.
As the investigating authorities and then the court established, Mr. Khryukin headed JSC SPTB Zvezdochka from January 2013 to January 2016. According to the charter of the company, it was entitled to engage in “any kind of activity not prohibited by the current legislation of the Russian Federation”, while it did not have some special licenses.
Meanwhile, on February 18, 2014, between the Ministry of Defense and the Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center OJSC (Zvezdochka CS), a state contract was signed for serial maintenance and repair of ships and vessels of the Northern Fleet for the period 2014-2016. As a co-executor of the contracts, Zvyozdochka CS brought in Zvezdochka SPTB.
In 2014–2015, the last company performed work at the electric compressor stations of the Panther nuclear submarine worth 7.4 million rubles, the Volk nuclear submarine - 2.5 million rubles, the Voronezh nuclear submarine - 340 thousand rubles., Nuclear submarine "Cheetah" - 2 million rubles. and so on. for which the general contractor transferred to him a total of 14.4 million rubles. Moreover, the specialists of SPTB Zvyozdochka worked in places of permanent deployment of nuclear submarines in the cities of Gadzhievo and Zaozersk.
When it turned out that the work was carried out without a license, Konstantin Khryukin was charged with committing a crime under subsection “b” of part 2 of art. 171 (illegal business associated with the extraction of income in a particularly large amount) of the Criminal Code.
The Polar District Court has appointed the former general director of SPTB Zvyozdochka a year and a half of a settlement colony. However, given that the entrepreneur was previously convicted under Part 1 of Art. 201 of the Criminal Code for abuse of power, also committed in the repair of vessels of the Northern Fleet, the term was increased to two and a half years of settlement.
Turning to the court, the military prosecutor’s office indicated that Mr. Khryukin had deliberately made a deal with a goal “obviously contrary to the foundations of law and order and morality,” which also affected the interests of the country's defense and security. The supervision demanded that the transaction be recognized as null and void, and the income from it should be turned into the income of the treasury of the Russian Federation.
The representative of the convict Khryukin did not agree with the prosecutor’s lawsuit, believing that the stated claims were unfounded. According to him, there are no grounds for satisfying the application, since all the work was done efficiently and on time. The representative of JSC SPTB Zvyozdochka also noted that no claims of the state customer were addressed to this enterprise or to the Zvyozdochka CA. “The result of the work performed is currently being used by the RF Ministry of Defense,” he added.
The court decided that SPTB Zvyozdochka JSC had performed works whose necessary quality was not and could not be adequately ensured due to the company’s lack of a license to repair armaments and military equipment in the corresponding class.
Noting that Mr Khryukin’s “dishonesty and wrongfulness of actions” was established by a verdict that entered into force, and the transaction was void, the court collected 14,407,930 rubles from the former general director of SPTB Zvyozdochka JSC and the enterprise itself, as well as a state duty.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3958569.html
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Kommersant. ´nuff said.
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14.4M rubles for repairs to 4x nuclear subs? 
That's less than USD200k. WTF kind of repairs can you do for such comparative chicken feed sums? Even if you ignore the FOREX rate nonsense, its not a lot of money.
Sounds to me that there is a dispute about specialist services that have been billed but the appropriate service either wasn't carried out, or was done to a sub-standard degree by unqualified technicians?
That's less than USD200k. WTF kind of repairs can you do for such comparative chicken feed sums? Even if you ignore the FOREX rate nonsense, its not a lot of money.
Sounds to me that there is a dispute about specialist services that have been billed but the appropriate service either wasn't carried out, or was done to a sub-standard degree by unqualified technicians?
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Big_Gazza wrote:14.4M rubles for repairs to 4x nuclear subs?
That's less than USD200k. WTF kind of repairs can you do for such comparative chicken feed sums? Even if you ignore the FOREX rate nonsense, its not a lot of money.
Sounds to me that there is a dispute about specialist services that have been billed but the appropriate service either wasn't carried out, or was done to a sub-standard degree by unqualified technicians?
I think the case here is about small subcontractor that given western inclination towards sabotage needs to be checked properly which wasnt. Nothing serious here.
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Well I am not sure how to read all of this, but i remember that last year or the one before the director of said shipyard said that the overhaul and modernisation of the submarines with titanium hull of the project 945 (barracuda) was not worth and it was too expensive, even if they accepted a contract to modernize them. He said that the money would better be spent on a modernisation of project 971.
The issue is that the shipyard knew new perfectly that they did not possess the technology to work with titanium hulls when they accepted the work and then they tried to weasel out without penalties.
I believe those subs the 2 of 945 and the 2 of 945M have characteristics qnd upgrade potential not met by other subs, also thanks to their hulls.
The shipyard that built them was Krasnoe sormovo in Nizhny Novgorod, maybe they still possess the capability tonwork with titanium...
The issue is that the shipyard knew new perfectly that they did not possess the technology to work with titanium hulls when they accepted the work and then they tried to weasel out without penalties.
I believe those subs the 2 of 945 and the 2 of 945M have characteristics qnd upgrade potential not met by other subs, also thanks to their hulls.
The shipyard that built them was Krasnoe sormovo in Nizhny Novgorod, maybe they still possess the capability tonwork with titanium...
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Penzadizelmash is starting production of marine diesel engines
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3959625.html
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Interesting, and important.PapaDragon wrote:
Penzadizelmash is starting production of marine diesel engines
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3959625.html
unfortunately from the article is not clear what type engines (e.g medium speed, high speed, etc), if they are derivative of their trains diesel engine or something different, and what size and power and for what applicatione these engines will be...
As an example it would be already good if they could help producing the same engines as Zvezda, since they cannot meet the production targets.
On the other hand there are apparently quite a lot smaller boats that use foreign engines that would need replacements... not to talk about the civilian sector...
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Pella plant fined for delays in the delivery of the lead small missile ship of project 22800
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3961989.html
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3961989.html
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George1 wrote:Pella plant fined for delays in the delivery of the lead small missile ship of project 22800
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3961989.html
And that's despite the fact that delay was caused solely by Zvezda not delivering engines on time
What a shitshow, Pella should just stick with civilian shipbuilding and let the Navy drown in their own piss
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It is actually a strange situation. Maybe the government has decided now to be more strict with every contractor... they are also in litigation with Zvezdochka for apparently repair of nuclear submarines without licences...PapaDragon wrote:George1 wrote:Pella plant fined for delays in the delivery of the lead small missile ship of project 22800
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3961989.html
And that's despite the fact that delay was caused solely by Zvezda not delivering engines on time
What a shitshow, Pella should just stick with civilian shipbuilding and let the Navy drown in their own piss
As far as Pella... well.. maybe the government was also pissed off by the fact that they are building an importantdiesel icebreaker in a German shipyard (a contract that could have gone otherwise to Vyborg, Admiralty shipyard or to Zaliv).
In addition maybe there were some gray spots in pella's management of More shipyard in Feodosia (Crimea).
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Pella is responsible to deliver the ship, if they can´t do it because some supplier can´t deliver stuff then they have to sue him to get the money back.
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https://flotprom.ru/2020/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B085/
Stop machine: the production of diesel engines for the Navy at two plants is disrupted
The situation with the supply of engines for a series of small missile ships of project 22800 cannot be stabilized in the years 2021-2022, contrary to the agreements of the Ministry of Defense and industrialists on correcting the situation . As a result, already repeatedly pluckedthe deadlines for the delivery of RTOs will be disrupted again, Mil.Press FlotProm sources in KB, shipyards and diesel plants are convinced. The shipbuilding program and the implementation of the state defense order are at stake. One of the reasons is the slow transfer of documentation for engines of Zvezda PJSC to the 51st Central Design and Technology Institute of Ship Repair (CKTIS) and the Kingisepp Machine-Building Plant. This is one of the stages of organizing the mass production of diesel engines at KMZ, which was officially agreed by all interested parties back in 2018. However, in the end, two diesel plants were in court.
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They should just switch to that larger model with gas turbine, this diesel thing is a no go
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People should keep in mind that a modern marine diesel engine is a complex thing that is not easy to master... the faulty models from China show it is not just a case of reproducing the components assembling it and making it work...
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Yes, and unfortunately russian diesel engine industry has been neglected for too long. A few years ago there were plans to do a sort of unified organisation pursuising national strategy for the field of diesel propulsion, but they were ignored and or not implemented.GarryB wrote:People should keep in mind that a modern marine diesel engine is a complex thing that is not easy to master... the faulty models from China show it is not just a case of reproducing the components assembling it and making it work...
Marine diesel propulsion is also fundamental for civil (commercial and passenger transport) fleet, even if we talk about different engines.
Maybe this is the occasion to change the approach and doing something similar to what has been done for the aeronautical industry, that is a first phase of crisis management and implementing short term corrections, e.g. fixing production of current engines, and parallelly planning for local diesel engine to replace all the foreign imports even in the commercial market...
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The thing is that not many countries have the money or the need to make it themselves, so once Russia gets it right and is making quality engines it will be able to sell to all sorts of countries around the world.
There will be a demand for new models...
There will be a demand for new models...
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Swiped this off other forum, Zvezda shipyard construction progress:
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United Shipbuilding Corporation headquarters will be transferred from Moscow to St. Petersburg
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4029889.html
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4029889.html