New START Treaty

Arrow wrote:https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/12/trident-nuclear-warhead-numbers-set-to-increase-for-first-time-since-cold-war?__twitter_impression=true

Start extended now UK increases strategic arsenal.

The UK will never be able to keep up. America has made exiting from important arms treaties (ABM, INF) fashionable. If UK-tards push
too hard they will be swamped with superior Russian ICBMs and warheads.

Sujoy wrote:

GarryB wrote:With new breeder reactors coming online I rather suspect producing nuclear weapons grade material should be quite trivial and relatively cheap... in fact they could probably sell some to the Chinese if China sees the UK producing nuclear missiles and wants to boost its own capacity to defend itself.

Funny thing that the UK can't afford new tanks or fighter planes but they want nukes... suggests they are going to take a more hands off approach to the world with less interventions with the US because they simply wont have the conventional military capacity to do very much.

UK to increase nuclear stockpile from 180 to no more than 260 warheads. The implication is larger stockpile is to have capacity so that Trident can be counter to both Russian short-range systems for use on European battlefield as well as longer-range missiles that threaten homelands. Details in the Twitter thread below.

https://twitter.com/LawDavF/status/1371837330378661893?s=20

The UK is actively sabotaging START. Whether it understands this or not.

A collection of chutzpah monkeys who think that reality bends to their will.

Perfidious Albion strikes again. This time trying to hitch a carnival ride they clearly aren't tall enough, so they scramble for platform shoes, only its made up of hand grenades. These fuckers really are going to risk WW3 just because they can't afford an effective arsenal of conventional warhead delivery systems to saber rattle with aren't they? Listen up dickheads, I don't care if you have have to sell the NHS or whore the queen out but at least have the decency of not ending the world while you're out there having a pissing contest with the Russians, eh?

Russia has prepared a serious claim for the meeting between Putin and Biden

One of Joe Biden's achievements is considered to be a quick, without delay, extension of the Russian-American nuclear treaty START III, the fate of which hung in the balance. But if under Trump they openly prepared to bury the treaty, now the Americans continue to quietly sabotage it. How is the United States trying to circumvent the parity in offensive nuclear weapons prescribed in the document?

On Monday, the Foreign Ministry released data on how Russia and the United States are implementing the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START III), which was extended for five years in February this year. It follows from the message that the United States unreasonably removed some of its strategic weapons outside the framework of the treaty. In particular, according to the Foreign Ministry, the Americans have exceeded the number of launchers and heavy bombers required by the treaty.

Recall that the START-3 Treaty, under which Moscow and Washington committed themselves to further reducing strategic nuclear arsenals, was signed in 2011 for a period of 10 years. All the years of Donald Trump's presidency, the question of renegotiating the agreement for a new term remained in question. With the election of Joe Biden, the fate of the agreement was quickly decided, the agreement was extended without changes and additions until 2026. But already in April, the Russian Foreign Ministry stated that Washington is silent about its own plans to deploy new nuclear weapons and the fact that NATO's military-strategic infrastructure is approaching Russia's borders.

Judging by the current Foreign Ministry report, at first glance, the Americans are observing the parity required under the treaty. For example, Washington reports that in the category of “deployed and non-deployed ICBM and submarine ballistic missile launchers, as well as deployed and non-deployed heavy bombers,” the US has 800 weapons, while Russia has 767.

"The indicator declared by the United States ... was achieved not only thanks to real reductions in American armaments, but also through the unilateral withdrawal from the treaty of 56 Trident II SLBM (ballistic missile submarine) launchers and 41 B-52H heavy bombers," the report says. Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Moscow states that the Americans have converted these launchers and bombers in such a way that "the Russian side cannot confirm that these strategic offensive weapons have been made unsuitable for the use of nuclear weapons."

“In addition, the United States has renamed four silo launchers intended for training in the category of“ training silos ”not envisaged by START, and refuses to include them under the treaty as non-deployed silo launchers of ICBMs (intercontinental ballistic missiles,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said ...

As a result, the Americans have exceeded the arsenal of strategic offensive nuclear weapons permitted by START-3 by 101 units.

“The American side simply announced that these installations are not installations for launching sea-launched Trident nuclear missiles, or air-launched cruise missiles, or Minuteman ICBMs. The fact is that there are no clear conversion procedures in the contract. This is what is called contracted ambiguity - "the ambiguity of the contract," explained the former head of the international treaty department of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant General Yevgeny Buzhinsky.

In fact, the American side is finding quite a few ways to sabotage its own START-3 commitments, Buzhinsky added. “For example, the Americans removed the flexible membranes that cover the missile silo at several Trident SLBM launchers and installed steel covers on either eight or 12 bolts,” the source said. “And they said that it was“ not considered ”usable anymore. To which our experts objected - today there is a cover, tomorrow it is not, and suggested: "Destroy at least the steam catapult." The American side refuses to dismantle the catapult, under the pretext that the boat on which the Tridents are stationed will someday receive non-nuclear status, and it will be possible to launch non-nuclear missiles from it. "

It is incorrect to suspect the Americans that they are creating new launchers, Buzhinsky said. “But,” he added, “the United States hates physically destroying its weapons. They took this step under the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty. And now, within the framework of START-3, they began to destroy something, but then they changed their minds and decided to re-equip, remove a certain number of launchers from the account ”.

The Foreign Ministry admitted the year before last that the Americans had reached the level set in START III both in terms of the number of warheads and the number of launchers, the source said. "And 101 weapons are classified as technical disagreements that must be resolved within the framework of a joint consultative commission operating under the START Treaty," said Lieutenant General Buzhinsky. "But now our relations with America are, to put it mildly, too bad to show goodwill." After the Foreign Ministry has given its arguments, the American side will bring counter-arguments, and the dispute can drag on for quite a long time, the interlocutor predicts.

This is far from a new situation in Russian-American relations, in turn, noted Alexei Arbatov, Academician, Head of the Center for International Security of the IMEMO RAS. “Two years ago, when the parties announced the fulfillment of the treaty in terms of reaching the thresholds for warheads and delivery vehicles, we said that we were not satisfied with insufficiently deeply converted launchers and bombers. That is, the changes made by the Americans are not irreversible, the expert noted. - But there was no further discussion. We did not withdraw from the agreement, and the Americans said that they would not do anything further. At that time, no one knew yet whether the START Treaty would be extended or not. "

As a result, by now the Americans have technically re-equipped the Trident II SLBM launchers and B-52N heavy bombers, so they have removed them from the calculations. “But if earlier such a re-equipment meant a deeper modification of weapons, now, in order to save time and money, the Americans have simplified this process. As a result, we accused them of the fact that the changes made are reversible, ”the expert clarified.

Arbatov suggested that the publication of the Foreign Ministry's message on the implementation of the START Treaty by the Americans is connected with the upcoming summit of Vladimir Putin and Joe Biden. “Apparently, during the meeting, it is planned to resume negotiations on the next agreement. And in order to strengthen its negotiating positions, the Russian side decided to put forward claims again, ”the expert believes.

“From a technical point of view, our position is correct,” said Arbatov. But, he believes, the American side will put forward a counterargument - there are no violations on their part, since they are not going to convert bombers, launchers and carriers of nuclear weapons back.

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Russia needs to take a zero tolerance approach to START.   The Americans got away with gross breaches of the INF with their deployment of dual use
launchers in Europe.   They try to pull the same stunt with START.   Russia does not need START more than the USA.   In fact, it is the USA that
needs START for all its vaunted ABM efforts.   Going back to the 1980s with unlimited ICBMs and now combined with no MIRV restrictions kills
any hope the USA has for an ABM shield.   The Washington deciders should ask themselves if they are feeling lucky.

The clowns in Washington have totally lost the plot.   They think that they can "break" Russia to bend over and take it in the rear
and sign away its nuclear arsenal because American wants it so.   Amerislimes are spazzing that China is building up its nuclear
arsenal.   Tough shit.   China is not Russia and Russia has no obligation to form some moronic China-Russia START partnership
to split is nuclear arsenal and balance the combined amount with the US.  

If the yanqui fecks are not happy, they are free to break START and chase China's and Russia's combined arsenal.   We'll see
how far they get since Russia can crank up its launcher and warhead counts to any level short of physical limitations.

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Putin, as usual, wants to talk about further reduction of strategic weapons. I believe this is wrong. Reducing Russia's existing strategic arsenals, which are the lowest in history anyway, will not increase security in the world, on the contrary. Moreover, entering into any treaties with the USA makes no sense. Russia and the USSR have already found out about it. Now that Russia has a significant technical advantage over the US, Putin wants to negotiate further reductions.

The US is sending signals to Russia that it is willing to sign another nuclear arms reduction treaty in the future when the current START expires. The question is whether Russia should sign another agreement with the US in these times when relations with the US are very tense. It is the US that has an archaic nuclear arsenal. Russia now has an advantage in strategic nuclear weapons that it never had. Thanks to Sarmat missiles, which can carry even 15MIRVs, they can very quickly increase the readiness of their nuclear warheads.

The US is run by pathological liars. They are trying to coerce Russia by lying about its intentions. They really think that they
are so cunning with this plan. Putin is going to send signals too to offset the US BS. But there is no indication that he is going
to sell Russia down the river.

Martyanov´s take:

GarryB wrote:

Russia is at a point where the west is refusing to play any more, but ironically they left it too late to destroy Russia in doing so... Russia has the capacity and the inclination to go play with other more honest and more open and more ethical players, so Russia is not fighting to stay at that game... and eventually many of the european players will realise some of the players at that table are seriously cheating to the point of holding them down and preventing them reaching their real potential too.
When or if they come to this realisation is not Russas problem though.

Believe it or not, that applies to all the political&military activities carried out by the collective West for the last 20 years.
The true reason behind this is social. The West started to be directed by the people who really grow up with the overwhelming propaganda coming from "social media".
Those people really believed in the crap provided to them, and that applies not to Russian relations at all, but to global matters. Grew up in information bubbles provided by global US-based corporations.
Europe was fed with bullshit about the weakness of Russia for decades. There is not a single positive information about Russia in the MSM for decades either. Special TV programs were created to present the misery of Russian daily life. So much crap was produced, that this crap was stored&used for further consumption in the future.
Kids are taught these bullshit stories at school.
"Russia started the war because was jealous of Ukrainian success".
The success of a country that lost 30% of it's citizens, slides down under the Moldova level of infrastructure&social.
Truth is not needed if you can lie and demand students to repeat those lies as truth.
Propagandists have simply missed the fact, that Russia in 2020 was nothing close to 2000, and the lies can backfire.
The biggest backfire in modern history was connected with the big sports events Russia hosted. Millions of regular people living around the globe came to Russia and figured with their own eyes the spread of agitprop and the reality.
They saw a safe, booming country with its own culture and religion. Rich in history, hospitable and modern.
The mechanism was very similar to the EURO2012 we had with Ukraine, only the conclusions were opposite.
People realized that no matter how nice a picture of the Ukro will be painted, the truth is that we face a corrupted & rotten country, whose citizens need 20 more years of stable development to get to the starting point of even talking about EU integration of any sort.
A totally different cultural code, an ideology of bribery. Opening for Ukraine in the case of Poland brought some crimes that were already forgotten in our country for years. A step increase in robbery, home theft, and vandalism. HIV stats jumped, as the Uko society is strongly HIV positive, and the prostitution market was flooded with Ukros. Bad technical shape of cars they drove in, combined with a lack of skills in road safety measures brought an increase in the accident rate. Diseases we forgot to exist for long, because of obligatory vaccination, returned, as in Ukraine there was no state-sponsored health program for vaccination.
Tons of things one could not even imagine and connect if not seen with own eyes ...

On August 8, Russia notified the United States that it was temporarily withdrawing its facilities from inspections under the START treaty.