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I doubt they'll start building LHDs &/ CVNs before Liders. They r less costly, can be built faster, & will be needed to escort those bigger ships most of the time when outside the EEZ.And no, Lider was not cancelled but their are gonna be launched after any of HDs or CVNs.
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[Official] 'Peter The Great' News Thread:
Tsavo Lion- Posts : 5960
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A decent sized CVN will take 10-15 years from laying the keel to getting her operational... half that for destroyers and cruisers...
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Tsavo Lion wrote:I doubt they'll start building LHDs &/ CVNs before Liders. They r less costly, can be built faster, & will be needed to escort those bigger ships most of the time when outside the EEZ.And no, Lider was not cancelled but their are gonna be launched after any of HDs or CVNs.
but liders will be their escort ships. You dont need costly escort cruisers if you dont have carriers. For everything else Gorsskhov M is just fine.
GarryB wrote:A decent sized CVN will take 10-15 years from laying the keel to getting her operational... half that for destroyers and cruisers...
unlikely they will launch a "decent CVN" innext 12-15 years
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Liders and extant cruisers aren't escort ships in Russia. Russian navy has cruiser groups instead of carrier strike groups. Purely defensive, anti-CVN-warfare concept. Of course that's current, Soviet inherited strategy, that may change in the coming decades.
2 LHD Priboys/Lavinas will be built in the early 2020s, before destroyers/cruisers. There was some talk about changing those concepts away from helicopter focused into something more universally amfibious. But earlier this month Borisov mentioned LHDs again, so we'll see.
2 LHD Priboys/Lavinas will be built in the early 2020s, before destroyers/cruisers. There was some talk about changing those concepts away from helicopter focused into something more universally amfibious. But earlier this month Borisov mentioned LHDs again, so we'll see.
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but liders will be their escort ships. You dont need costly escort cruisers if you dont have carriers.
Well, they don't have enough big warships, escorts or not, & Leaders can be both if/when their LHDs & CBGs deploy. W/o them, they'll be sitting ducks, do u think it's a good idea to have those built 1st & then not able to deploy while waiting for the Liders & other ships to be built?
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GarryB- Posts : 40521
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unlikely they will launch a "decent CVN" innext 12-15 years
That is not what I am saying... I am saying that in the time it will take them to get CVNs needing escort ships into service, they will have plenty of time to produce the escort ships too.
They might develop a specialist class especially for the job that are basically arsenal ships intended to support carriers... much like the current expectation that in the future F-35s will operate with C-130 converted aircraft carrying enormous numbers of missiles... to compensate for the lack of weapon capacity of modern stealth aircraft...
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GarryB wrote:unlikely they will launch a "decent CVN" innext 12-15 years
That is not what I am saying... I am saying that in the time it will take them to get CVNs needing escort ships into service, they will have plenty of time to produce the escort ships too.
agreed in this case
They might develop a specialist class especially for the job that are basically arsenal ships intended to support carriers... much like the current expectation that in the future F-35s will operate with C-130 converted aircraft carrying enormous numbers of missiles... to compensate for the lack of weapon capacity of modern stealth aircraft...
The again you tell me I am right
smaller CVN and big escort arsenal ships more cost effective solution BTW F-35 will more likely be assisted by swarm of drones then C-130 IMHO ;-)
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The again you tell me I am right thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup smaller CVN and big escort arsenal ships thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup more cost effective solution
See, now you are just reading into this what you want to read.
The presence or existence of arsenal ships has nothing to do with the potential size of any carrier developed... in fact an Arsenal ship is a cargo ship full of ready to fire weapons, so in theory should be relatively cheap to mass produce... but quite expensive to fully arm.
With the money saved you could go for larger carriers that offer better potential than smaller vessels... a larger carrier can have larger radar antenna and larger AWACS platforms operating from them... allowing better situational awareness and therefore better supporting the naval fleet commanders decisions in difficult situations...
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GarryB wrote:
With the money saved you could go for larger carriers that offer better potential than smaller vessels... a larger carrier can have larger radar antenna and larger AWACS platforms operating from them... allowing better situational awareness and therefore better supporting the naval fleet commanders decisions in difficult situations...
That's why only 2 richest countries in the world have "Real" CVNs? USA and China. The rest just cannot afford them. 
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I knew I will find this video sooner or later. It was a part of a much larger documentary that showed the inside of the "torpedo bay" on PtG.
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You mean USA and France I think.
Tsavo Lion- Posts : 5960
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China will join them in a few years. And with nuclear icebreakers that no1 else has, the RF & China will get richer.
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miroslav wrote:I knew I will find this video sooner or later. It was a part of a much larger documentary that showed the inside of the "torpedo bay" on PtG.
[youtube]JJCim9NkQLY]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPK-2_Vyuga
There is the same video but with Udaloy II.
Edit: it is probably the successor of the RPK-2 that is on PtG. And also on udaloy II.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-N-16
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Short but interesting video. Battlecruiser "Pyotr Veliky" launching the 'raketa-torpeda' (anti-submarine missile) RPK-6 Vodopad ("waterfall")/
Missile has dual-role; it can be armed with either a 400 mm anti-submarine torpedo or a nuclear depth charge.
https://www.facebook.com/mod.mil.rus/videos/1925731294185002/
MoD official facebook site
Missile has dual-role; it can be armed with either a 400 mm anti-submarine torpedo or a nuclear depth charge.
https://www.facebook.com/mod.mil.rus/videos/1925731294185002/
MoD official facebook site
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George1 wrote:Short but interesting video. Battlecruiser "Pyotr Veliky" launching the 'raketa-torpeda' (anti-submarine missile) RPK-6 Vodopad ("waterfall")/
Missile has dual-role; it can be armed with either a 400 mm anti-submarine torpedo or a nuclear depth charge.
https://www.facebook.com/mod.mil.rus/videos/1925731294185002/
MoD official facebook site
Thats a great vid! I think its the first time I've seen the full firing sequence.
Hole- Posts : 11116
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Somewhere in this forum is a video from the launch of a Vodopad from a Udaloy class destroyer. At night. After the launch you could see the water burn.
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Think is this one
https://youtu.be/2WDRcuigIE0
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https://youtu.be/2WDRcuigIE0
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hoom- Posts : 2352
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The grid fins for the initial underwater bit is a surprise.
This launch method while initially perplexingly bizarre & complex is actually growing on me.
I like the idea of throwing the missile bodily away from the ship before the main engine starts, means if something goes foobar its more likely to do so at a reasonable distance from the ship rather than within a few meters of the bridge like on a lot of modern ships.
(sooner or later someone's going to lose their entire bridge crew)
I'm now picturing ships built with arrays of horizontal launcher tubes down the sides, like a rebirth of the Age of Sail style broadside!
This launch method while initially perplexingly bizarre & complex is actually growing on me.
I like the idea of throwing the missile bodily away from the ship before the main engine starts, means if something goes foobar its more likely to do so at a reasonable distance from the ship rather than within a few meters of the bridge like on a lot of modern ships.
(sooner or later someone's going to lose their entire bridge crew)
I'm now picturing ships built with arrays of horizontal launcher tubes down the sides, like a rebirth of the Age of Sail style broadside!
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Vodopad was developed for subs. Instead of developing something new or change the launch sequence they "simply" used it also from ships.
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Hole wrote:Vodopad was developed for subs. Instead of developing something new or change the launch sequence they "simply" used it also from ships.
Well it also let free the 2x4 missile launchers on Udaloy II for moskit. This way Udaloy II had the same power as udaloy I plus Sovromeny.
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Only thing missing is a medium or long-range air defence system.
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The rear grid fins means it is the 91RE2... a member of the Klub family of missiles that can be fired from the UKSK launcher, and also 533mm torpedo tubes...
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Official MoD release claims Vodopad.
Vodopad:
![[Official] 'Peter The Great' News Thread: - Page 6 83r_8810](https://i.servimg.com/u/f10/19/89/13/22/83r_8810.jpg)
Kaliber:
![[Official] 'Peter The Great' News Thread: - Page 6 000314](https://i.servimg.com/u/f10/19/89/13/22/000314.jpg)
Look like twins.
Vodopad:
![[Official] 'Peter The Great' News Thread: - Page 6 83r_8810](https://servimg.com/r/1019891322/83r_8810.jpg)
Kaliber:
![[Official] 'Peter The Great' News Thread: - Page 6 000314](https://servimg.com/r/1019891322/000314.jpg)
Look like twins.
hoom- Posts : 2352
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Wouldn't be surprising if the Kalibr is a Vodopad modified for VLS.
What is surprising is I don't see where does the rocket exhaust come out with the rear covered by that cross shaped bit? I guess it must detach after fins deploy or something?
What is surprising is I don't see where does the rocket exhaust come out with the rear covered by that cross shaped bit? I guess it must detach after fins deploy or something?
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Interesting shot of hangar interior via Reddit
![[Official] 'Peter The Great' News Thread: - Page 6 XWv4udY](https://i.imgur.com/xWv4udY.jpg)
Reddit of course talking nonsense about 'how do they do multi-chopper ops when the lift is the flightdeck, what if a chopper crashes/has an issue & damages the lift/flightdeck???' despite well
![[Official] 'Peter The Great' News Thread: - Page 6 Cgn099-024](https://www.freewebs.com/jeffhead/modelbuilds/cgn099-024.jpg)
Reddit of course talking nonsense about 'how do they do multi-chopper ops when the lift is the flightdeck, what if a chopper crashes/has an issue & damages the lift/flightdeck???' despite well