Future russian aircraft carriers. #1

GarryB wrote:

So the russians need experience first right?

Well they need a carrier design to be completed first and then scrutinised and checked for potential problems/issues, and then lots of discussion... physical scale modelling and computer modelling and likely a few rival bids as well.

Like I said before there is no point having a second carrier... even now as there is not enough support infrastructure and vessels to support two carriers at the moment.

When can i expect the beginning of a second aircraft carrier?

They likely wont start building a second carrier till 2022 at least, though they might lay two at once by then because by 2030 when they enter service the K might be ready to be put in reserve as a training carrier.

The shipyard is already there then right?

I suspect the new shipyard in Vladivostok will start with civilian ship production first... likely a few icebreaking LNG carriers or crude oil carriers able to sail the northern route.

When wil the bleuprints be ready?
Will they show them to the public?

Very unlikely to reveal the real blueprints any time soon... even after they are finished... likely a few photos of bits of carrier like we have with the current frigate program.

Flyingdutchman wrote:Thanks for aaaalll the info and its said to hear that russia wont build there new AC for another 8-10 years.

Flyingdutchman wrote:But i heard that china is building an AC and there planning to begin full scale construction VERY SOON so thats interesting to hear!

TR1 wrote:By AC he means aircraft carrier.

Flyingdutchman wrote:Maybe it is stupid i ask this but what is Zhuk-AE? Is it the radar?

Flyingdutchman wrote:Why is the russian navy not doing the Same with the kiev carriers than they did for the indian navy?

Then they have a few new carriers.

GarryB wrote:

Is it possible that the russians are designing an AC with China based on the Ulyanovsk?

Unlikely.

What would China contribute to such a design?

Why would Russia tie itself to a 30 year old carrier design?

Technologies have moved on and new designs offer better potential performance... by 2040 carriers might have as much as 80% unmanned aircraft with roles like AEW and ASW long range patrols performed by drones.

Work on EM cats would also benefit Russia in terms of EM technology that could also be applied to EM weapons and all electric propulsion...

Electrical power generation for a ship is no problem at all so EM guns and bomb throwers will most likely be developed in naval versions well before land equivalents get mobile.

Imagine a Corvette whose design is specifically catered to that of Blimp tether, where its job is to maintain the fleets airship by dragging it around... or indeed being dragged around by it on the end of a 10km long cable.

Imagine a 1,000 ton capacity airship that carries around its own 500 ton light Corvette for emergency use... a vessel that size could have a 100mm A190 gun and Kashtan-M and have as many as 16 Uran missiles though it would probably be too small for a helo... perhaps a Ka-226T naval light helo for observation and light rescue missions and light attack missions too with Kornet EM missiles and ATAKA/Krisantema missiles.

GarryB wrote:

Is there a chance that they are designing it in cooperation with china but ghen a whole new model?

Not likely, though possible I suppose.

Will the new russian carrier they're designing be the same size as ulyanovsk?

Likely in the 40Kt to the 60Kt range... certainly nothing like the US 100kiloton range.

GarryB wrote:The Kuznetsov has a max overload weight of about 60,000 tons, but normal is just over 40,000 tons with a standard load and about 55,000 tons with a full load.

I rather suspect the new carriers will be of a similar size but of a design better optimised for the use of UAVs and perhaps airships as well as conventional fixed and rotary wing aircraft.

Keep in mind that the K has to carry is own heavy oil fuel, whereas a new carrier with nuclear propulsion will have less variation in operational weight as it does not need to carry fuel for itself... just fuel and ordinance for its air component.