b]The only official statemen[/b]t so far was: we replace Su-33 and MiG-29k by VSTOL fighter for our carriers.
Of course it could just mean they will be calling the Su-33 and MiG-29KR something else when their latest versions enter service in 10 years time... and these imaginary VSTOL will simply be cancelled again.
Since EMALS r adjustable, they can be used even with CATOBAR compatible French Rafales. I doubt the future Chinese CVNs will be much different/bigger than the future Russian CVNs, assuming they'll be built at all.
The Chinese didn't use any old Soviet technology to develop their EMALS. Nor did they needed to
Russia cannot rely on China or Europeans for EMALS technology... they can develop their own.
They have been working on it for quite some time and probably already have prototypes they are working with...
Will Russian planners require catapults and sending billions Rubles in near useless product after 1 installation? I seriously doubt
They are spending billions on equally useless VSTOL fighters so why not?
then at most $200m is cost of new fighter programme.
A VSTOL 5th gen fighter design will cost as much as their current 5th gen fighter project at least.
So far 300?350 F-35 are in line? Russia has how many fielded 5g fighters?
Russian budget = .$46bn........Su-57.....$60m
USA Budget......= $700bn.......F-35.......$90m
Thank you... you clearly prove at the very same time that the US can afford to waste money on bullshit and the Russians cannot. Case proven.
gen Bondaryeev
" There are other arguments, in some respects opposite. Like, why do we need the fifth generation, if the fighters of the 4 ++ generation are flying fine, for example, the same Su-35. On this occasion, I will say: fourth-generation fighters, even those upgraded to the “++” version, are already outdated and do not meet new challenges. [/b.
But you know better then Bondaryev. Kudos. [/quote]
He over rates the 5th gen US fighters and under estimates the Russian 4++ gen fighters.
If the F-35 is a representative of the US 5th gen fighter, and Su-35 is representative of the Russian 4th gen then Russian 4th gen is all you need.
But clearly as he says they need a 5th gen carrier fighter... and the easiest quickest path to that is a naval Su-57.
interesting then why Russians want to cooperate with India,and India with Russia.
It is not a reason not to cooperate... just don't plan on ending up with anything any time soon.
All that work on the Su-30MKI and they ended up with an aircraft not even as good as the Su-35.
Brahmos is based on Yakhont, but because of export rules its performance does not approach the Onyx the Yakhont is based upon.
I am not saying things from the Flanker and Brahmos didn't improve the domestic models, but if you want a real case where a foreign partner helped greatly improve a system look at Pantsir and UAE.
“Of course, it was logical to assume that during such a time those models, meaning the MiG-29, Su-33, they
will become obsolete morally, and in 10 years, of course, will require the creation of a new aircraft,
such plans exist: shortened takeoff and landing and vertical takeoff, "Borisov told reporters.
Yeah, and 40 years ago someone probably said the same thing with the Yak-41 going to replace both aircraft.... and guess what.
In 15 year time when experience has shown that new VSTOL aircraft to be a dog they will upgrade their MiGs and Sus and things will carry on as normal.
But as soon as Russian VSTOL is to replace it we can return to talking about parameters, shall we?
Sure... if you never want to discuss it... that is fine.
175ft is lets say -ish number of course but this IMHO a good illustration that every vSTOL is intrinsically better in takeoff/landing distances.
They are also better at crashing too.
According to some sources the Soviet Yak-38 “Forger” jets could perform rolling landings on carrier decks but required the use of a safety barrier net; however, it’s not clear whether actual tests were conducted at sea.
For years "Western experts" claimed the Forger couldn't perform a rolling landing or a landing take off... it was not until such operations were seen and filmed that they actually gave them credit for that capacity... which is why I don't think much of so called western experts.
Also on the Defense Ministry’s plans that we are discussing with our aircraft manufacturers is the creation of a short takeoff and landing (STAL) aircraft. [b]Possibly, it will be a vertical takeoff and landing plane," Borisov said.
Can we ever trust a certain persons posts again if they are going to use such fake quotes that omit rather critical information...
STAL sounds rather like what MiG are discussing for MiG-35 and Sukhoi are talking about with Su-57...
So, we will see but I admit there is a support for your claim that they plan to substitute the existing STOBARs with STOVL
Not on the Kuznetsov...
this all is crap, let me say. Future transportation needs all, electronics, advanced electric propulsion, new aerotech and likely hightemp superconductors. What here is not needed is emals.
How do you know that technology developed for EMALS wont be applicable to other areas?
You don't.
Tell me how much US industry advanced due to EMALS tech? you seem to be expert in power electronics. At least you say so in this post.
Then which precisely branches did US developed because of it? and why only USA/China invested in EMALS is useful and cheap?
Can Germany, UK, Japan or France invest in EMALS? if it was useful yes, but they prefer to invest in future tech without.
You have things arse about as usual... you seem to be suggesting that because only the US and China are developing EMALS technology and Germany and Japan and the UK and France are not then it can't be worth doing... I guess Russia should just give up its space programme because most of those countries you listed have not invested in rocket technology to get into space...
you can put money is useful tech (like VSTOL, materials, radars, sub/flying drones) or military useless, in Russian's case, economicallywise wasteful but cool magazines and forums like EMALS. Was it so useful why no official statements are about this?
Still waiting for you to outline how VSTOL is useful tech and EMALS is a useless waste of money... Russia already spent money on the Yak-36, The Yak-38, The Yak-38M, and the Yak-41... which were all expensive and totally useless... if real war had broken out not a single VSTOL aircraft would have done more than either crashed or been shot down.
you private opinion doesn't match reality: Russian and Chinese mod decided invest billions in VSTOL fighter tech.
In Russia's case is clear: VSTOL fighter is going replace obsolete Su-33 and MiG29
Chinese and Russian MOD also both decided to develop EMALS technology too.
GDP PPP China $24,000bn,US $20,000bn, Russia's $4,200bn. Only first 2 countries only invested in EMALS.
Liar.
Russia is spending money developing EMALS and you know it you lying bitch.
If France had it's own STOVL fighter, I bet they wouldn't plan on building & keeping a CATOBAR CVN. They tried to build it but failed, & decided not to buy Harriers from the British.
The Americans also failed miserably with their VSTOL fighter designs and ended up buying British.
When it came time to develop a 5th gen stealthy VSTOL fighter they failed as well... with their own design... one company went with their own design and it lost the competition. The other company knew they needed an after burning engine that could rotate 95 degrees and they knew the only company on the planet with that experience was Yakovlev... They bought the engine nozzle technology and looked at their research and experience with separate lift engines and decided to go with Yakovlevs lift fan design... notice how they tell everyone all about that... but then the F-35 is probably the closest the Yak company will get to an in service VSTOL fighter in this century...
Since EMALS r adjustable, they can be used even with CATOBAR compatible French Rafales. I doubt the future Chinese CVNs will be much different/bigger than the future Russian CVNs, assuming they'll be built at all.
The Chinese didn't use any old Soviet technology to develop their EMALS. Nor did they needed to:
Breakthrough announced in South China Morning Post by China in developing its own Improved EMALS technology which was done by use of advanced insulated-gate bipolar transistor (IGBT) chips. This sudden development of in house EMALS technology by China was only made possible due to acquisition of semiconductor companies-WeEn, Ampleon and Nexperia, which were acquired via sale of Freescale Semiconductors (NXP)'s Bipolar Power Division, RF Power division and Standards Products Division respectively and also by acquisition of some other European semiconductor companies.
You don't buy brand new untested technology... almost no one sells that anyway...
They are better off developing the technology themselves which will be sanction proof and they will make the components themselves rather than import them from a country that the US will likely target with sanctions to stop them.
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