War in Vietnam (1945–46)

Japanese troops that were killing British were converted to their "allies" in order to fight communists..

Yeah, it is amusing that Britain seems to think it has any business in Vietnam holding the country hostage until the Frogs can get back to running the place, perhaps in the interests of peace and democracy they might have just said to the Vietnamese that we got rid of the Japs and the Frenchies wont be back for a while... why don't you form a country for yourself without bullets and bombs... we could organise elections and show you what democracy is so everyone can vote and have a say as to who is in charge.

But no, they had labelled one side as commie... as pro Russian, so their goal was to murder as many as they could before the French came back and continued the same and when they get their arses kicked too the Americans can have a go and brutally murder even more men and drop more bombs than they did in WWII.

Why the surprise... despite terrible crimes in the war in the pacific there were no nurenberg trials for the Japs.... and of course just after west german soldiers were killing brits and yanks all of a sudden they were allies in the fight against the Soviets... and the Japs too we now western allies against the Soviet Union and communist China too...

Bad guy is a switch can can be flipped over night... Osama bin laden was a good guy fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan, and Saddam was a hero keeping them evil Iranians in check... till they did something that was no longer useful and they became the biggest threat to world peace and public enemy number 1.

There were no Japanese at Nuremberg due to geographical and practical considerations.

They had their own separate war crimes trials which I think were conducted by the Allies soon after the end of WW2 in Japan.


You can see a little bit about it in the movie Emperor which was released a few years ago; the wanted Japanese were actively hunted down and put on trial.

Also, the U.S practically wrested away and annexed some Japanese islands after the war, something it did not do to either Austria or Germany. For example Okinawa was not returned to Japan until the 1970's, and the U.S. military has still a significant presence there to this day. Also a bunch of the Pacific islands were annexed by the U.S. and never given back to Japan.

Of course they actively hunted down Japanese... but mostly to recruit them... they knew the Japs were experimenting on their prisoners with diseases and chemicals... they would take a group of 100 men and infect them with a disease like foot an mouth or typhoid and every week they would kill ten and do autopsies... sometimes they wouldn't kill them they would just autopsie them alive which of course killed them. The US was desperate to get their hands on their results and lab books... they offered jobs in the US and nice houses and lots of money to get them to surrender and not destroy their notes.

Well it turns out they weren't doing proper science and so the results were largely useless, but no one got tried or executed for their treatment of prisoners in the Pacific.

And that is just one aspect... the way they treated the local girls was horrific... they called them comfort girls... they were as bad as nazis in europe but were not treated the same because the US basically was in total control and didn't really give a shit what they did to the natives or the prisoners.

kvs wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

These worms were right up there with Mengele in their demented and sadistic experiments.

Trust me, the Germans and Ukrainians were even worse:


http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/460/land-zamosc-zamojszczyzna-1942-1944

All a shame in hindsight, shows how nothing is black and white in history and politics. For instance, the first American to be killed in 'Nam was a member of the OSS, been working alongside the Viet Minh. Overall, an example of the USA ultimately taking the anti-communist rhetoric too far and turning on someone (Ho), who wasn't a hardline communist. His only mistake was not wanting to put up with French rule!

GarryB wrote:Of course they actively hunted down Japanese... but mostly to recruit them... they knew the Japs were experimenting on their prisoners with diseases and chemicals... they would take a group of 100 men and infect them with a disease like foot an mouth or typhoid and every week they would kill ten and do autopsies... sometimes they wouldn't kill them they would just autopsie them alive which of course killed them. The US was desperate to get their hands on their results and lab books... they offered jobs in the US and nice houses and lots of money to get them to surrender and not destroy their notes.

Well it turns out they weren't doing proper science and so the results were largely useless, but no one got tried or executed for their treatment of prisoners in the Pacific.

And that is just one aspect... the way they treated the local girls was horrific... they called them comfort girls... they were as bad as nazis in europe but were not treated the same because the US basically was in total control and didn't really give a shit what they did to the natives or the prisoners.

Indeed, the Japs were f*cked up. Things were that bad during the rape of Nanking that even the Nazis told them to reign it in a bit.

Overall, an example of the USA ultimately taking the anti-communist rhetoric too far and turning on someone (Ho), who wasn't a hardline communist. His only mistake was not wanting to put up with French rule!

And that is an important thing you can't talk about... the Vietnam war and the conflict the Americans had with North Korea and Cuba were not actually about communism... they were about colonialism and making countries whole and shifting power from the foreign colonials back to the natives.

The North Vietnamese wanted the French out they got a bit of help from the US to start with but pressure from France nipped that in the bud so they had to turn somewhere else and when uncle Sam says no of course you go see uncle joe... it was the same for castro in Cuba... that happened because white people owned all the land in cuba and the cuban people were the manual labourers working the sugar cane fields and bringing drinks to rich fat white people on the beautiful beaches of Cuba in casinos mostly run by the US Mafia.

North Korea wanted a whole Korea again.... a country split by the Japanese invasion and left split because the Soviets didn't get the chance to complete the job of getting rid of the Japs.

The north koreans crushed the south koreans but before they could win and end it all the UN intervened and UN forces pushed the NKs up to the Chinese border, well US troops on the border with China was not acceptable to China so China invaded and pushed the UN force back to the 38th parallel... and a stalemate was created.

Ironically if they had ignored it and let the NK win initially the problem could have been solved in 1991 when the soviets collapsed they could be like Vietnam is now.