Syrian War: News #21

JohninMK wrote:A multi wave 20 minute Israeli AF attack on Damascus this evening. Now over.

as bad thi attacks are , the good thing is that  Israel is training the Syrian army,hezbolah and Iran
how to perfection their air defenses and tactics to intercept and deviate their missiles.. this will have major
enourmous advantages for syria , and iran and hezbolah too.. in the long term ,the they day comes to confront
them.. and so for Russia too..

in other news..

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Syrian Army liberated Hantunin, Sheikh Damis, Naqir and Kafr Sijnah from #HTS terrorists in #Idlib province. Map

Currently, the three Syria countries. Russia backed Syrian Arab Republic, based at Damascus. Turkey backed Republic of Syria, based at Bab. US / Russia backed Rojava, based at Qamishli. Only Turkey backed Republic of Syria is hostile to Russia. This is the Syria country Russia will kill.

JohninMK wrote:A multi wave 20 minute Israeli AF attack on Damascus this evening. Now over.

They targeted Islamic Jihad in Damascus. Some of them killed in the airstrike. Russia gave Israel coordinates and obliterated them. Russia has a 0 tolerance policy of Islamists.

Vann7 wrote:updates..   Feb 23, 2020  [3:52 PM] ·
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#SAA opened 2 axis:
- 1. Troops advanced S. & E. Kfar Sejena almost surrounding the town. The goal should be advance towards Hzarrin
- 2. Troops entered in Hantutin (village was nearly empty)
A 3rd axis will be open in the next hours, the goal may be:
 - Ariha
 - Kafr Nabl




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MArat al Tira under army cntrl
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Al-Naqir are under the control of the Syrian army, south of Idlib. The stage is now towards Kafar Jisnah and Sheikh Mustafa.

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Cnfrmd,Hantunteen and Sheik Damd under army, Kfrsjnf not cnfrmd yet.

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What happens is not a second stage, but a continuation of the previous military action .. The second stage will be towards the Turkish border..SAA field reporter

in a bit of topic news...
The houthis in yemen are releasing pictures of a show room of their new weapons..
they virtually brand new most of soviet union air to air missile in their possession that migs-29 can fire..  
including ones with 200km+ range..indeed amazing.. it had to be iran ,who supplied it to them.. question is how those are fired.. perhaps iran modified the weapons to be fired from trucks .. instead of planes.. is not the first
time something like that is reported.. in syria read about those tactics being used too.. by the nato sponsored terrorist. they also announced a native air defense system ,so they basically have a no fly zone now
over yemen..      yemen is a very important place for NATO ,after their puppet government lost control of it..
because if iran controls yemen.. they can ambush with missiles, any NATO warship who try to pass.. also can block with mines the south entry of red sea..  in case of war with iran... so important is the zone ,that russia setup a military base in the opposite side.. near somalia..  in case of world war 3.. no warships will be able to cross until the Russian ,chinese and iranian military bases there captured..  by force.. it also serve as spy zone
of underwater submarines.. and to monitor nato navies movements in real time.. aside it help to stop the pirates in the somali coast.

this could be done as a diversion attack and gaining ground at the same time. While turkisk and turkish backed terrorists flooded into other hot areas in idilib the SAA just went to take other easy to gain grounds forcing the Terrorists to move manpower or face losing more ground, this will help refocus their attention and then SAA will strike again somewhere else less defended. Either way the SAA still gain some ground and terrorists will lose land and lower morale. The gains made today weren't massively significant.

@ warrier

I think we should try to get away from label of " Islamic Jihadist" being the source of problem. There are many different types of Muslims or Christians. Or those who self identify in this way. But a rational policy is to look at their exact composition and policy. Some despite using label of Muslim or Christian, turn out to be from big business or land lord background. Who usually are the ones who act against democracy. So the Hezbollah forces are also Muslims and Jihadist. But in Lebanon, they form a government. And they are not anti - Russian. And they fight against terror. So policy towards them is different.

Is this Islamic Jihad group in Syria, anti - Russian.? Are they terrorists.? Do they simply oppose Usrael occupation? Could they be useful in defending Syria in case of attack from Usrael? Do they act in interests of Syrian state? Then they should not be attacked. Russia needs to think carefully about this. If they supplied info to Israeli to attack Palestinian resistance group, to appease Usrael, then they are making mistakes. The Islamic world is far bigger and important than Usrael will ever be to Russia.

nomadski wrote:@ warrier

I am truly impressed that he has a direct intel link to the local Russian HQ. Statements with assumptions like 'passed co-ordinates to IAF' don't belong here without source.

However

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Palestinian sources
Emphasizes that the aggression on the countryside of Damascus targeted a military site of the jihad movement that was evacuated and that there were no casualties



Meanwhile elsewhere. Looks like it could be a Pantsir in the snows of Syria. BUT it wasn't, it was Serbian as pointed out by Isos so moved as he suggested below to Pantsir thread.

The pantsir is for Serbia. This place is in Russia before being delivered by an-124.

You can post the image in pantsir thread because it has a new camo.

OK. I understand. But why position vacated? I think for some countries it is their policy to be neutral. What does neutral mean? I think it should mean, not adding or taking away. So if Syrian state decides to have war with Usrael. Then Russia can stop giving weapon or taking weapon away. But they can use weapon they already have. Or they make themselves. Or they buy it. The same for military information. Not give intelligence to Syria. Nor take away info they already have. This is not the best they can do in the world. But it will not loose them any friends either.

But if this info is true that position vacated , together with Russian airforce pushing Usrael away and missile defending. Then Russia not neutral. But if Syria can defend. Then Russia can be neutral. So Syria needs missiles to defend. To make them. Then Russia or Iran, they don't have to fight anyone. If they don't want. Stay neutral. And not worry about sending material. Road closed. Less money for gun runners. But safer for world.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrality_Acts_of_the_1930s

Isos wrote:The pantsir is for Serbia. This place is in Russia before being delivered by an-124.

You can post the image in pantsir thread because it has a new camo.

Thanks, done and image deleted here to avoid confusion.

ultimatewarrior wrote:Currently, the three Syria countries. Russia backed Syrian Arab Republic, based at Damascus. Turkey backed Republic of Syria, based at Bab. US / Russia backed Rojava, based at Qamishli. Only Turkey backed Republic of Syria is hostile to Russia. This is the Syria country Russia will kill.

Turks will not withdraw from the lands they occupy. We saw it in Cyprus in 1974

George1 wrote:

ultimatewarrior wrote:Currently, the three Syria countries. Russia backed Syrian Arab Republic, based at Damascus. Turkey backed Republic of Syria, based at Bab. US / Russia backed Rojava, based at Qamishli. Only Turkey backed Republic of Syria is hostile to Russia. This is the Syria country Russia will kill.

Turks will not withdraw from the lands they occupy. We saw it in Cyprus in 1974

Republic of Syria is another country recognized only by Turkey. But it won't have peace unlike in Cyprus.

nomadski wrote:@ warrier

I think we should try to get away from label of  " Islamic Jihadist" being the source of problem. There are many different types of Muslims or Christians. Or those who self identify in this way. But a rational policy is to look at their exact composition and policy. Some despite using label of Muslim or Christian, turn out to be from big business or land lord background. Who usually are the ones who act against democracy. So the Hezbollah forces are also Muslims and Jihadist. But in Lebanon, they form a government. And they are not anti - Russian. And they fight against terror. So policy towards them is different.

Is this Islamic Jihad group in Syria, anti  - Russian.?  Are  they terrorists.?  Do they simply oppose Usrael occupation?  Could they be useful in defending Syria in case of attack from Usrael?  Do they act in interests of Syrian state?  Then they should not be attacked. Russia needs to think carefully about this. If they supplied info to Israeli to attack Palestinian resistance group, to appease Usrael, then they are making mistakes. The Islamic world is far bigger and important than Usrael will ever be to Russia.

They are anti Israel. Russia backs Liwa al Quds.

George1 wrote:

ultimatewarrior wrote:Currently, the three Syria countries. Russia backed Syrian Arab Republic, based at Damascus. Turkey backed Republic of Syria, based at Bab. US / Russia backed Rojava, based at Qamishli. Only Turkey backed Republic of Syria is hostile to Russia. This is the Syria country Russia will kill.

Turks will not withdraw from the lands they occupy. We saw it in Cyprus in 1974

Because they got full-fledged support from NATO. I hate to say it but, in 100 years all the Balkan/Aegean Sea states (Greece, Cyprus, Croatia, Serbia, North Macedonia, Bulgaria, etc.) will become either completely Turkish or Turkish satellites because all the leaders of those countries care about is being servile lap-dogs, which means they will make enemies with their historical ally (Russia), but allow HATO to wage war on itself, by allowing their 'ally' to either invade their fellow HATO members or wage covert war against them. With friends like this, who needs enemies?!?!

Like I always say, never be a vassal, because vassal sounds too much like Vaseline...

http://avia.pro/news/erdogan-my-zakroem-prohod-cherez-bosfor-v-chyornoe-more-kogda-zahotim

Erdogan: we will close the passage through the Bosphorus to the Black Sea whenever we want


The Turkish president said that Ankara is ready to close the passage through the Bosphorus.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that Ankara is ready to act very decisively and, if necessary, will block the passage through the Bosphorus to ships and submarines of all countries that it sees fit. According to the Turkish leader, the Montreux Convention is not binding, especially if Turkey starts a war in Syria.

“The key provisions of the Montreux Convention, which defines the rules for the use of the Bosphorus and Dardanelles, are Turkey’s right to close the straits. If it is a war in which Turkey does not participate, Turkey has the right to close the straits for the passage of military vessels of any belligerent power. In the case of Turkey's participation in the war, or if Ankara considers himself "under the threat of imminent danger of war", the country may at its sole discretion to permit or prohibit the passage through the Straits of any military courts " , - leads to the newspaper« 9tv.co.il ".
It is noteworthy that a few days ago, the Turkish leader announced his readiness to act very decisively, which obviously implies the closure of the passage through the Bosphorus to Russian warships, as well as the closure of airspace for Russian airborne forces flying to Syria.

Turkey can legally close it based on two conditions of the agreement.

1. They are at war with Russia

2. They feel threatened.

The second one would be easy to pull off, etc get Russia to bomb some of their troops that aren't a retaliation strike and then use that act to claim condition 2. That's if they wanted to do it legit.

Otherwise, they can lie and just say Russia did it and do it anyways.

Still, this is a move Putin should have been prepared for so shouldn't be to big a deal.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:http://avia.pro/news/erdogan-my-zakroem-prohod-cherez-bosfor-v-chyornoe-more-kogda-zahotim

Erdogan: we will close the passage through the Bosphorus to the Black Sea whenever we want


The Turkish president said that Ankara is ready to close the passage through the Bosphorus.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that Ankara is ready to act very decisively and, if necessary, will block the passage through the Bosphorus to ships and submarines of all countries that it sees fit. According to the Turkish leader, the Montreux Convention is not binding, especially if Turkey starts a war in Syria.

“The key provisions of the Montreux Convention, which defines the rules for the use of the Bosphorus and Dardanelles, are Turkey’s right to close the straits. If it is a war in which Turkey does not participate, Turkey has the right to close the straits for the passage of military vessels of any belligerent power. In the case of Turkey's participation in the war, or if Ankara considers himself "under the threat of imminent danger of war", the country may at its sole discretion to permit or prohibit the passage through the Straits of any military courts " , - leads to the newspaper« 9tv.co.il ".
It is noteworthy that a few days ago, the Turkish leader announced his readiness to act very decisively, which obviously implies the closure of the passage through the Bosphorus to Russian warships, as well as the closure of airspace for Russian airborne forces flying to Syria.

Build Bosporos wall?

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Turkey can legally close it based on two conditions of the agreement.

1. They are at war with Russia

2. They feel threatened.

The second one would be easy to pull off, etc get Russia to bomb some of their troops that aren't a retaliation strike and then use that act to claim condition 2. That's if they wanted to do it legit.

Otherwise, they can lie and just say Russia did it and do it anyways.

Still, this is a move Putin should have been prepared for so shouldn't be to big a deal.

Russia has other ports like Vladivostok, Saint Petersburg, Murmansk, Kaliningrad, Nakhodka and ship via Suez. Egypt absolutely hates Turkey. Turkey can't stop Russia unless Turkey nukes Moscow.

Stage 1, then they strip all the equipment out and ship it back to Turkey like they seem to have done with electrical sub stations, factories etc elsewhere.

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The Tr/TFSA completely cuts off water to Al-Hasakeh governorate from Alouk station, and prevents its pumping.
The cities that benefit from the Alouk water station: Hasaka and its countryside, Abu Rasin, Tal Tamr, Tal Baidar, Shaddadi, Al-Hawl, and the countryside of Tal Tamr.

@ Ultimatewarrier

What does Liwa Al Quds do? Do they support Israel? A one state or two state solution? Any military operation against Israel? Any plans for returning land to Palestinians?  Any operation to retaliate Israeli attack on Syria?

Also I read that Assad asked Hizbollah forces to stay in Syria. As late as 2018. So if Russia respect wishes of Assad then it should not help target Hizbollah forces. If what you say is true. I think Assad should keep Hizb forces in Syria. As well as IRGC forces. Near Golan. For self defence against Usrael attacks. Also Assad should get help from Iran to build SRBM.  Since Russia, by it's desire or interest to have very good relation with Zionist. Is clearly incapable of stopping attacks against Syria. I hope Assad listening. Also two Hizb forces killed in latest attack. Any Syrian killed?

Also don't forget Iran an ally. It is very important. Can send by air or land. Supply to Syria.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Turkey can legally close it based on two conditions of the agreement.

1. They are at war with Russia

2. They feel threatened.

The second one would be easy to pull off, etc get Russia to bomb some of their troops that aren't a retaliation strike and then use that act to claim condition 2. That's if they wanted to do it legit.

Otherwise, they can lie and just say Russia did it and do it anyways.

Still, this is a move Putin should have been prepared for so shouldn't be to big a deal.

mmm no..

-they can only close it in a declaration of war against Russia..

"Feelings" will not apply for a justification for anything...

if Erdogan close the strait.. the gloves of Russia will be off.. that will be a defacto declaration of war
to Russia.. because it treathens Russia ability to defend its nation and its allies... attacked by terrorism..
and if Erdogan do that.. it will be a total break of relations ,and Russia still will send their warships there..
and reopen it.. if russian warships attacked , Russia declares war on turkey.. and then the turkey forces
will have to go on the run in syria... to support their main nation that will be at war..

the thing is that in order to declare a war on russia.. they will need to remove first.. all their turkey military
from syria..because it will be bombed and lose all the territory of idlib very easily ,terrorist will also leave.. knowing they have zero chance.

So it will be great if Erdogan shows his claw to Russia for once.. and stop pretending to be a putin friend.
Erdogan is a radical islamic moron... and he had to be offered a big fortune for them to hold idlib.. because
it makes absolutely no sense to risk so much for so little..   muslim brotherhood is a US ,UK and Qatar creation.
and no amount of money that they had offer to Erdogan will be worth of it , for start a war with Russia.

What Putin will do is give ultimatum to turkey ,to reopen it.. but if he don't listen.. you will see a dramatic shift
if Russia policy towards turkey.. Russia will have no options to declare war on turkey for aiding terrorism and helping alqaeda to attack Russian forces in idlib and civilians .

The prestige of Russia as a super power will be at risk.. if putin becomes polite and allow its military to be locked.. this is an act of war make no mistake..and the Russian military will not allow it..  to block Russian navy to transit to the mediterranean sea.. is defacto a declaration of war because it allow NATO to lock Russia in the black sea. so if they threaten the security of Russia ,by limiting the navigation of its navy ,then Russia all they need to do is start sinking turkey navy warships , start hitting turkey commercial ports..  hit their s-400s with hypersonic missiles.. and hit the entire turkey economy...  

Russia ...crimea and main land will become like a giant aircraft carrier ,just 600km away of turkey for endless
waves of missiles and planes to hit turkey.. the bridge between istanbul and turkey main land will be the first casualty.. then Russia will then threaten an invasion on istanbul...

Really Erdogan options to fight Russia is are very limited.. they do have a powerful army ,but their air defenses and navy ,which is the only thing protecting them ,is not a match for Russian navy and russian airforce..
Also all those people who were claiming NATO article 5.. will be silenced , when they see US will not interfere in that war between Russia and Turkey regardless of who start it..  which turkey started it.. by the way..

Erdogan popularity will sink ,to the lowest. .and turkey economy sent back decades... and the if turkey insist...
in attacking syria and russia.. just 1 one small nuclear strike.. it will be enough to change even the most fanatic crazy man... into submission..

ERdogan is going to lose...he have no chance to win in a war with Russia.. or in a war with syria ,with russia and iran helping endlessly Syria.. The only question is ,in what way Turkey will lose.. if it will be in a negotiated way ,with Russia ,so that he get some territory in syria ,so that he can save face.. and hold it for a few years until his mandate as president last.. ,and turkey army retreat voluntarily . or if it will be removed from syria ,by the use of force.. or lethal force..  

like i said , turkey will not  want to continue in syria ..at the moment putin threaten them with tactical nuclear strikes.. on naval ports , and is more than likely he will back down as soon turkey warships are sinked one by one..  at one point he will break.. is a guarantee death.. what Erdogan will face if provoke a war with Russia.

in fact .. Erdogan already by just discussing the possibility of closing the bosphurus strait... it teach Russia that will never again will be able to trust in Erdogan and that Russia needs a very big ,military base.. in the mediterranean sea to confront Turkey from the other side..   for example Russia having a military base in egypt.. will allow to block turkey from any commerce with asia..  those turkey refineries will also be bombed.. so they will be without energy.. without gasoline.. without electricity..

Erdogan will be hanged by his own military .. as soon they see Erdogan , risking the existence of the entire nation..   interesting times indeed....  Russia have all the cards to win.. and Erdogan have none...  then you have
IRAN that will be helping russia too.. it will be a very japan like defeat.. what erdogan will face... if provoke
Russia into a full scale war.. and no one in NATO will dare to fight Russia in defense of Erdogan.. the public opinion of erdogan in europe and in america is even worse than the one of saudi arabia..

What is important here to understand...
Is that precisely.. what slow down Russia operations in Syria ,is that Russia is not using force against Syria invaders.. aiding terrorism.. but if all gloves were off.. and full war declared by Russia on turkey.. both Turkey and US forces can be neutralized , in syria and iraq.. by Russian and iranian missile forces.. a full scale IRAN army will invade in IRAQ with iraq permission to remove US bases from there.. and Russian airforce and navy will be non stop smashing turkey territory.. until they surrender... which they will do if they don't want to lose all their navy ,and airforce.. or worse be nuked..

Sorry, Van you are wrong again. Go and read the Montreux convention.

In it, Turkey may close the straights if it feels threatened.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Sorry, Van you are wrong again. Go and read the Montreux convention.

In it, Turkey may close the straights if it feels threatened.

wrong..
Russia will not allow turkey under any pretext to close their navy there... is and act of war..
just another one... because in reality turkey have been at war with Russia since 2011.. when
Erdogan took the decision to attack Syria , and use its territory ,to send thousands of jihadist to take
syrian forces.. the shot down of russian plane.. was only a visible expression of erdogan towards Russia.
so Russia will declare war folk.. if turkey comes locks.. the bosphurus strait.. you have been wrong in the past
and are wrong again.. you first told russia or syria will not bomb turkey soldiers.. wrong.. then claim iran will not attack americans bases if they attacked.. wrong again..  it was also told syria will not dare to attack israeli planes.. wrong... is self defense dude..  

if you think Russia will allow nato ,to create an alqaeda city in syria and lock the Russian navy in the black sea.. to facilitate NATO encirclement of Russia you are seriously mistaken..

Russia will be morally justified to defend itself.. because turkey actions are not to defend its nation..
since russia was never in syria to fight turkey ,but terrorism.. Turkey actions are only to aid terrorism and to help NATO encircle Russia in the black sea..  and in the eyes of the world... Russia actions will be right too..  Americans will never allow any nation to block their navy.. from free transit in any sea. to help an ally. convention or not.. so neither Russia will allow it.. Russia took crimea also in self defense.. was not going to allow NATO to setup bases there.. and allowing turkey to block the Russian navy ,without war.. will not happen.
This turkey treats are actually not new , the last time turkey threatened Russia ,to close the bosphurus strait..
during the soviet union,and cold war, to Russian navy.. soviet foreign minister.. told them.. that they can reopen
it with 2 big bombs..  and the discussion ended..  they tested the soviets , to see what they will say..and now erdogan is testing putin..  so mark my words.. Russia response could come ,through backdoors channels ,but will be just like they said.. Russia will not allow turkey to lock their navy.. this is an act of war dude.. whether a paper says that or not.. is irrelevant..  But Russia will not allow turkey to block their navy.. and will fight turkey to keep that right .. so then the war in idlib will not matter.. erdogan will face a much bigger war ,that he will be completely defeated.. and no nato country will come in turkey defense.. for fear of russia. Iran and Russia will completely destroy turkey.. and depending how retard he goes.. depending how much force russia will use.. if he don't stop.. russia will go nuclear.. tactical nukes and strike exclusively military and economy targets.. so not even nato will have the power to protect turkey , from russia in a full scale offensive.. Im sure that erdogan hands will be twisted by Russia one way or another.. in a slow proxy war or in a full scale one.. NATO will be in a major disadvantage to fight russia so close to its borders.. and as a bonus with iran help.. erdogan will be demanded to leave syria ,if want to trade with the world..

In the vest case, Russia would impose economic sanctions against Turkey like they already did and the people will feel it. I doubt Erdogan want to hurt its people this way over some syrian guys and their dreams and lose popularity. Turkey also operates some nuclear plants that without Russia won't work anymore increasing the life for turks.

In the worst case warmongers in Putin's circle will push him to war to destroy Erdogan and its friends.

In the very worst case, Turkey would be destroyed and they would lose the european part above the Bosphorus to the Russian supported Greece. Russia would destroy its air force and navy, top and richest civilian companies, oil stock and electricity supply.

Syria or Russia can just target Turk forces in Syria illegally. Even if they use forces from Turkey mainland. So Turkey can never say it is invaded. Turkey is aggressor. Once all invading Turk forces driven out, then they have choice. Stop war, or cry foul. And start aggression. But again they are aggressor. Threatening other people. They must keep by agreement to allow passage. Going strictly by the law. But I have feeling, Turks not interested in war. Somebody must help them leave.Syria. Can they withdraw Tanks, and just send UN vehicle of food and medicine? Do something good.?

Vann7 wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Sorry, Van you are wrong again. Go and read the Montreux convention.

In it, Turkey may close the straights if it feels threatened.

wrong..
Russia will not allow turkey under any pretext to close their navy there... is and act of war..
just another one... because in reality turkey have been at war with Russia since 2011.. when
Erdogan took the decision to attack Syria , and use its territory ,to send thousands of jihadist to take
syrian forces.. the shot down of russian plane.. was only a visible expression of erdogan towards Russia.
so Russia will declare war folk.. if turkey comes locks.. the bosphurus strait.. you have been wrong in the past
and are wrong again.. you first told russia or syria will not bomb turkey soldiers.. wrong.. if you think Russia will allow nato ,to create an alqaeda city in syria and lock the Russian navy in the black sea.. to facilitate NATO encirclement of Russia you are seriously mistaken..

Russia will be morally justified to defend itself.. because turkey actions are not to defend its nation..
since russia was never in syria to fight turkey ,but terrorism.. Turkey actions are only to aid terrorism and to help NATO encircle Russia in the black sea..  and in the eyes of the world... Russia actions will be right too..  Americans will never allow any nation to block their navy.. from free transit in any sea. to help an ally. convention or not.. so neither Russia will allow it..

Again WRONG, Closing the straight is not an act of war. Read the dam convention before you parrot facts from this fourm.