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Log inGarryB wrote:Being first in space hasn't helped Americas allies Kiev on the ground where they are clearly army number three... behind Russia and Wagner...
This propaganda spasm by limb should be move to the bollox thread. It is pure drivel.
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This propaganda spasm by limb should be move to the bollox thread. It is pure drivel.
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Scorpius Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:44 pm
kvs wrote:Soviet satellites were pressurized and would lose the air after only a few years. The reason for this design choice is not clear to me since
electronics in principle do not need an atmosphere to function.
Most military satellites were based on the design of the Vostok and Voskhod-2 spacecraft. In fact, the Vostok spacecraft are the most frequently flown into space, their launches continued continuously until almost the mid-noughties, in total more than 500 units were launched. And yes - they were optical and electronic reconnaissance satellites.
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Re: Russian Military Satellites: Development and Launches
lancelot Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:03 pm
AFAIK the Soviets did have electro-optical satellites. But these had low resolution sensors.
Resurs-O1:
https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/resurs-o1-1.htm
https://www.eoportal.org/satellite-missions/resurs-o1
Yantar-4KS:
https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/yantar-4ks1m.htm
The high resolution Earth observation satellites used film.
It is claimed the US KH-11 Block II used 800x800 CCDs in the mid 1980s. Earlier versions used an array of light sensitive silicon diodes.
https://thespacereview.com/article/3795/1
From what I get the images were captured and transmitted digitally. Then the ground segment would convert those images into diapositives for analysis.
This page has more information on Soviet space based imaging.
http://mentallandscape.com/V_Cameras.htm
Resurs-O1:
https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/resurs-o1-1.htm
https://www.eoportal.org/satellite-missions/resurs-o1
Yantar-4KS:
https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/yantar-4ks1m.htm
The high resolution Earth observation satellites used film.
It is claimed the US KH-11 Block II used 800x800 CCDs in the mid 1980s. Earlier versions used an array of light sensitive silicon diodes.
https://thespacereview.com/article/3795/1
From what I get the images were captured and transmitted digitally. Then the ground segment would convert those images into diapositives for analysis.
This page has more information on Soviet space based imaging.
http://mentallandscape.com/V_Cameras.htm
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Re: Russian Military Satellites: Development and Launches
GarryB Tue Aug 08, 2023 6:54 am
This propaganda spasm by limb should be move to the bollox thread. It is pure drivel.
Well I think it is relevant in the sense of when you ask the question why does the US have so many spy satellites or murder drones and why they seem to have spent more money on such things than other things like decent armoured vehicles and air defence systems and aircraft that can operate in hostile airspace.
They were supposed to be able to operate easily in heavily defended airspace with their super stealth shit but it seems that doesn't work and so their air power is largely useless except for the occasional pinprick attack.
The US has great spy capacity because they spy on everyone and to murder random people in third world countries you need to be able to find them... but even that is a bit of a joke... how long did it take to get Saddam or Osama Bin Laden?
This is really an example of how quickly the Russian military can adapt to different conditions and get things into service quickly and change tactics when they need to.... as a comparison with the HATO tactics the Orcs are using which actually seem to be counter productive almost like they want them to lose and not just that but they also want them to die in large numbers... an own goal genocide... I would be amazed if HATO continues after losing this badly... but of course HATO was all about money and power and politics so it will continue like everything went well... just hope the next in line contributing country to the operation meat shield does not work it out for themselves...
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Big_Gazza Sun Nov 26, 2023 4:43 am
The Russian Aerospace Forces launched the Soyuz-2.1b rocket from the Plesetsk cosmodrome
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Jury seems to be out on what the exact payload was but it is generally believed that it was an electro-optical intel bird (ie spysat), with some analysts thinking it could be the 1st of the Razdan (14F156) intended as the successor to the Persona series.
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The Aerospace Forces (VKS) of the Russian Federation launched the Soyuz-2.1b launch vehicle from the Plesetsk cosmodrome with a satellite in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense. The department reported this on November 26.
“On Saturday, November 25, at 23:58 from the State Test Cosmodrome of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (Plesetsk Cosmodrome) in the Arkhangelsk Region, combat crews of the space forces of the Aerospace Forces launched the Soyuz-2.1b medium-class launch vehicle with a spacecraft (SC) in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense,” the message says.
Earlier, on October 27, the Soyuz-2.1b launch vehicle with satellites was also launched from the Plesetsk cosmodrome in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense. The launch was carried out by a combat crew of the space forces of the Russian Aerospace Forces. This is the fourth launch of a Soyuz-2 class rocket from the Plesetsk cosmodrome in a year with military spacecraft.
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Jury seems to be out on what the exact payload was but it is generally believed that it was an electro-optical intel bird (ie spysat), with some analysts thinking it could be the 1st of the Razdan (14F156) intended as the successor to the Persona series.
edit: video footage
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The Soyuz-2.1b rocket launched from the Plesetsk cosmodrome with a satellite in the interests of the Russian Defense Ministry
Big_Gazza Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:55 pm
The Soyuz-2.1b rocket launched from the Plesetsk cosmodrome with a satellite in the interests of the Russian Defense Ministry
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This was a two-payload launch, with one bird thought to be a Bars-M (a topographic mapping satellite) and the other a Nivelir/Burevestnik type inspector/ASAT.
MOSCOW, December 21. /TASS/. The Aerospace Forces (VKS) of the Russian Federation launched the Soyuz-2.1b launch vehicle from the Plesetsk cosmodrome. It will launch a satellite into orbit in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense, the military department reported.
“On Thursday, December 21, at 11:48 Moscow time, from the State Test Cosmodrome of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (Plesetsk Cosmodrome) in the Arkhangelsk Region, combat crews of the space forces of the Aerospace Forces launched the Soyuz-2.1b medium-class launch vehicle with a spacecraft in the interests of Russian Ministry of Defense," the statement said.
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This was a two-payload launch, with one bird thought to be a Bars-M (a topographic mapping satellite) and the other a Nivelir/Burevestnik type inspector/ASAT.
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TV and movies always show explosions in space like the billowing flames you see near the surface of the Earth. So people are confused when
they see diffuse exhaust. There is no air pressure and ambient air density to cause billowing of exhaust plumes.
they see diffuse exhaust. There is no air pressure and ambient air density to cause billowing of exhaust plumes.
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Big_Gazza Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:37 am
The satellite launched in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense was put into low-Earth orbit
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Moscow. 27th of December. INTERFAX.RU - A spacecraft in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense, launched on Wednesday on a Soyuz-2.1v light rocket from the Plesetsk cosmodrome, entered its intended orbit, the Russian Ministry of Defense reported on Wednesday.
“At the estimated time, the spacecraft was launched into the target orbit and accepted for control by ground-based space forces of the Aerospace Forces. A stable telemetric connection was established and maintained with the spacecraft, its onboard systems are functioning normally,” the message says.
The launch of the Soyuz-2.1v rocket took place at 10.03 Moscow time from the Plesetsk cosmodrome in the Arkhangelsk region. The launch and insertion of the satellite into the intended orbit took place as usual, the Russian military department emphasized. After the launch, the rocket was escorted by the ground-based automated control complex of the Main Test Space Center named after German Titov.
After being launched into orbit, officers of the Main Center for Space Situation Intelligence of the Space Forces of the Aerospace Forces entered information about the spacecraft into the Main Catalog of Space Objects of the Russian Space Control System and began analyzing and processing information about the new space object.
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franco Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:49 pm
Noticed in the some of the year end Russian MoD briefings, the mention of 229 satellites being under their control.
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Scorpius Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:55 pm
The 116th or 117th successful launch since the accident in 2018.
Meanwhile, Angara-A5 has been delivered to the Vostochny cosmodrome to prepare for the first launch in March 2024.
Meanwhile, Angara-A5 has been delivered to the Vostochny cosmodrome to prepare for the first launch in March 2024.
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Big_Gazza Fri Feb 09, 2024 8:53 pm
The satellite was successfully launched into the target orbit in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense
No consensus yet on the open community as to the identity of the bird flown.
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MOSCOW, February 9. /TASS/. The Soyuz-2.1v rocket, launched from the Plesetsk cosmodrome on Friday, successfully launched a satellite into the target orbit in the interests of the Russian Defense Ministry, the military department reported.
As reported, the Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) launched the Soyuz-2.1v launch vehicle from the Plesetsk cosmodrome. “On Friday, February 9, at 10:03 a.m., from the State Test Cosmodrome of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (Plesetsk Cosmodrome) in the Arkhangelsk Region, the combat crews of the space forces of the Aerospace Forces launched the Soyuz-2.1v light-class launch vehicle with a spacecraft in the interests of Russian Ministry of Defense," the message said.
“At the estimated time, the spacecraft was launched into the target orbit and accepted for control by ground-based space forces of the Aerospace Forces. A stable telemetric connection was established and maintained with the spacecraft, its on-board systems are functioning normally,” the Ministry of Defense said in a statement.
It is noted that officers of the Main Center for Space Situation Intelligence of the Space Forces of the Aerospace Forces entered information about it into the main catalog of space objects of the Russian space control system.
No consensus yet on the open community as to the identity of the bird flown.
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ahmedfire Thu Feb 15, 2024 5:41 am
US media is parking since yesterday about real threats from Russia at space.
Some news about Kosmos 2499 "Post n°63 by @Victor at this thread is talking about it".
Some news about Kosmos 2499 "Post n°63 by @Victor at this thread is talking about it".
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Why such panic in the USA? Placing nuclear weapons in space makes no sense. ICBM and SLBM are much better and more flexible in operations.
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This is the usual propaganda trick pulled by the yanquis. They start accusing the "enemy" of what they are about to do themselves. Then, they
can claim moral "superiority" since they "only responded" and did not instigate.
The actual flow of events:
1) US readies nuclear bombs in orbit.
2) US mass media starts its Orwellian organ grinder about how the Russians are guilty of deployment.
3) US deploys its orbital nukes
4) Russia responds
5) US hater bleaters bleat some more hate.
Underlying this is the terminal delusion of the US elites that they are exceptionally invincible and can beat any opponent in any measure. The wet
dream of yanquis for decades was to have some sort of game determining advantage over the USSR and now Russia. They thought that their ABM
magic shield would give them this advantage. But Russia developed hypersonic gliders with variable trajectories. So now these clowns think they
can park nukes in orbits over Russia to have a first strike advantage. They must think that Russia will not be able to do anything about this.
Russian needs to blow any such platforms out of orbit as soon as they are launched. But I suspect that the yanquis will try to use orbits that do not
cross over the territory of Russia. Russia should ignore this and still blow them out of orbit. The yanqui f*cks need to start WWIII to "win" this
confrontation. But they are too chicken shit to do this without having a cheat. Russia cannot let them deploy any cheats.
can claim moral "superiority" since they "only responded" and did not instigate.
The actual flow of events:
1) US readies nuclear bombs in orbit.
2) US mass media starts its Orwellian organ grinder about how the Russians are guilty of deployment.
3) US deploys its orbital nukes
4) Russia responds
5) US hater bleaters bleat some more hate.
Underlying this is the terminal delusion of the US elites that they are exceptionally invincible and can beat any opponent in any measure. The wet
dream of yanquis for decades was to have some sort of game determining advantage over the USSR and now Russia. They thought that their ABM
magic shield would give them this advantage. But Russia developed hypersonic gliders with variable trajectories. So now these clowns think they
can park nukes in orbits over Russia to have a first strike advantage. They must think that Russia will not be able to do anything about this.
Russian needs to blow any such platforms out of orbit as soon as they are launched. But I suspect that the yanquis will try to use orbits that do not
cross over the territory of Russia. Russia should ignore this and still blow them out of orbit. The yanqui f*cks need to start WWIII to "win" this
confrontation. But they are too chicken shit to do this without having a cheat. Russia cannot let them deploy any cheats.
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GarryB Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:47 am
The US is so predictable.
They wanted to get out of the INF treaty so they can place intermediate range and medium range missiles in Japan and South Korea to point at China mostly, so the sabotaged the INF treaty by jumping up and down and shouting that Russia was violating the INF treaty, and giving them ultimatums to stop violating the treaty or the US will withdraw. Of course they weren't violating the treaty so could not "stop" doing something they weren't doing so the US withdrew from the treaty and got what they want... except now the Russians are free to make medium and intermediate range missiles too which does not suit them at all because it means Russia no longer needs to waste ICBMs and SLBMs on Europe and Asian targets and can concentrate its entire ICBM and SLBM force on US targets.
In 10 years time or less they will complain that Russia tricked them into doing it because Russia will have so much advantage with all these missiles they would not have otherwise been allowed they will want to negotiate them away... remember the MIC profit driven west are happy to waste trillions on weapons they don't need because there is no refund when they are scrapped.
When Iran declares it is going to park a satellite directly over the US that seems to be emitting radiation like it contains something nuclear the US will obviously shoot it down as a threat and ban all such things...
Putting nukes in space risks the US more than anyone else, they just haven't worked that out yet...
They wanted to get out of the INF treaty so they can place intermediate range and medium range missiles in Japan and South Korea to point at China mostly, so the sabotaged the INF treaty by jumping up and down and shouting that Russia was violating the INF treaty, and giving them ultimatums to stop violating the treaty or the US will withdraw. Of course they weren't violating the treaty so could not "stop" doing something they weren't doing so the US withdrew from the treaty and got what they want... except now the Russians are free to make medium and intermediate range missiles too which does not suit them at all because it means Russia no longer needs to waste ICBMs and SLBMs on Europe and Asian targets and can concentrate its entire ICBM and SLBM force on US targets.
In 10 years time or less they will complain that Russia tricked them into doing it because Russia will have so much advantage with all these missiles they would not have otherwise been allowed they will want to negotiate them away... remember the MIC profit driven west are happy to waste trillions on weapons they don't need because there is no refund when they are scrapped.
When Iran declares it is going to park a satellite directly over the US that seems to be emitting radiation like it contains something nuclear the US will obviously shoot it down as a threat and ban all such things...
Putting nukes in space risks the US more than anyone else, they just haven't worked that out yet...
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Big_Gazza wrote:The satellite was successfully launched into the target orbit in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense
MOSCOW, February 9. /TASS/. The Soyuz-2.1v rocket, launched from the Plesetsk cosmodrome on Friday, successfully launched a satellite into the target orbit in the interests of the Russian Defense Ministry, the military department reported.
As reported, the Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) launched the Soyuz-2.1v launch vehicle from the Plesetsk cosmodrome. “On Friday, February 9, at 10:03 a.m., from the State Test Cosmodrome of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (Plesetsk Cosmodrome) in the Arkhangelsk Region, the combat crews of the space forces of the Aerospace Forces launched the Soyuz-2.1v light-class launch vehicle with a spacecraft in the interests of Russian Ministry of Defense," the message said.
“At the estimated time, the spacecraft was launched into the target orbit and accepted for control by ground-based space forces of the Aerospace Forces. A stable telemetric connection was established and maintained with the spacecraft, its on-board systems are functioning normally,” the Ministry of Defense said in a statement.
It is noted that officers of the Main Center for Space Situation Intelligence of the Space Forces of the Aerospace Forces entered information about it into the main catalog of space objects of the Russian space control system.
No consensus yet on the open community as to the identity of the bird flown.
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it seems that it is an EO-MKA small optical reconnaissance satellite
https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/emka.htm
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Arkanghelsk Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:03 pm
We have a hunch what was placed in space
It is a satellite killer , with a nuclear power unit on board
It is not a nuclear blast which would generate EMP to kill sats
But the reality is that the proliferation of micro sats in the west makes inspectors useful but only to the extent that they can observe these sats but there's no way to actually kill 4000 micro satellites
Unless you use Kesslerization, but that's not adequate as it would kill your own sats
So Russia has commenced testing of a unit which is similar to project Excalibur
The reason is that the amount of strikes on Russian cities and vessels has reached a level that Russia must respond
So by using a nuclear power unit, it is possible to charge some rods to produce X-Rays, which via laser would disable the American satellite constellation orbiting over Ukraine
I think Russia is essentially letting the west know that this capability exists and it has no problem frying their satellites to reset the ISR advantage that the west is using to strike Russian cities, ships etc.
Of course a nuclear blast wouldn't be smart as it would disable Russia and Chinas own satellites
So an Xray system would be better to specifically target the microsats at LEO
The thing to consider would be when this system re-enters the atmosphere, it could break up and scattered irradiated material on the landing site
But that concern is secondary to protecting Russian cities from western strike capability
Here is the Ekipazh system, a nuclear powered EW satellite which is most likely driving the west into a frenzy
The system makes ASAT missile obsolete, as this system is much better at tackling the problem of more numerous micro sats
It is a satellite killer , with a nuclear power unit on board
It is not a nuclear blast which would generate EMP to kill sats
But the reality is that the proliferation of micro sats in the west makes inspectors useful but only to the extent that they can observe these sats but there's no way to actually kill 4000 micro satellites
Unless you use Kesslerization, but that's not adequate as it would kill your own sats
So Russia has commenced testing of a unit which is similar to project Excalibur
The reason is that the amount of strikes on Russian cities and vessels has reached a level that Russia must respond
So by using a nuclear power unit, it is possible to charge some rods to produce X-Rays, which via laser would disable the American satellite constellation orbiting over Ukraine
I think Russia is essentially letting the west know that this capability exists and it has no problem frying their satellites to reset the ISR advantage that the west is using to strike Russian cities, ships etc.
Of course a nuclear blast wouldn't be smart as it would disable Russia and Chinas own satellites
So an Xray system would be better to specifically target the microsats at LEO
The thing to consider would be when this system re-enters the atmosphere, it could break up and scattered irradiated material on the landing site
But that concern is secondary to protecting Russian cities from western strike capability
Here is the Ekipazh system, a nuclear powered EW satellite which is most likely driving the west into a frenzy
The system makes ASAT missile obsolete, as this system is much better at tackling the problem of more numerous micro sats
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lancelot Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:51 pm
Sounds like a whole load of bollocks. The nuclear X-ray laser bit at least.
It is way more likely it is a solar-electric satellite using ion propulsion.
Try reading about how the US was supposed to get these nuclear X-ray lasers to work and you will realize why the system is totally impractical. You basically need to start a nuclear explosion to create the energy for the X-ray laser. And you need to focus it.
It is way more likely it is a solar-electric satellite using ion propulsion.
Try reading about how the US was supposed to get these nuclear X-ray lasers to work and you will realize why the system is totally impractical. You basically need to start a nuclear explosion to create the energy for the X-ray laser. And you need to focus it.
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A 1MW reactor gives great opportunities on the satellite. They can install a laser or a strong ECM system. If this is true, Russia is close to SDI.The laser can be directly excited by a nuclear reactor.
Lancelot doesn't need a nuclear laser. All you need is the one on Peresvet. If it is directly powered by a 1 MW reactor, it can provide a lot of energy.
Lancelot doesn't need a nuclear laser. All you need is the one on Peresvet. If it is directly powered by a 1 MW reactor, it can provide a lot of energy.
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lancelot Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:55 pm
It doesn't make sense because if you add up the weight of the nuclear reactor and the power plant to generate electricity from it you would be better off with solar panels.
Proposals to use nuclear propulsion typically involve mission profiles which are headed beyond Mars orbit. You have less solar incidence the further away you are from the Sun. Solar becomes less effective.
Proposals to use nuclear propulsion typically involve mission profiles which are headed beyond Mars orbit. You have less solar incidence the further away you are from the Sun. Solar becomes less effective.
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No. A laser that is excited directly by the reactor radiation. There is no electricity production. In the USSR, intensive work was carried out on such lasers. Apparently Peresvet works this way. It was discussed on this forum in the topic about Peresvet.
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Arkanghelsk Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:48 pm
lancelot wrote:Sounds like a whole load of bollocks. The nuclear X-ray laser bit at least.
It is way more likely it is a solar-electric satellite using ion propulsion.
Try reading about how the US was supposed to get these nuclear X-ray lasers to work and you will realize why the system is totally impractical. You basically need to start a nuclear explosion to create the energy for the X-ray laser. And you need to focus it.
That is the while purpose of US congress calling a meeting on national security
But you are somewhat right
The Ekipazh article states:
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While not going into too much detail, the articles acknowledged that Plazma-2010 had been designed with the possibility of installing EW payloads. The presence of a nuclear reactor would make it possible to install “jammers operating in a wide range of frequencies” and place such payloads into highly elliptical and geostationary orbits for “uninterrupted suppression of electronic systems in large areas.”
The spacecraft would be delivered to their operational orbits by an electric propulsion unit and are therefore referred to in the articles as “transport and energy modules.” The EW mission would require a reactor generating at least 30 to 40 kilowatts, allowing the satellites to be launched by the Soyuz-2-1b rocket. For more advanced EW missions, the performance would have to be increased to 100 kilowatts, necessitating a switch to the more powerful Angara-A5 rocket. The 2016 article (as quoted by Izvestiya) said KB Arsenal was working on two types of reactors with a capacity of 30 and 50 kilowatts respectively. It was also noted that satellites flown under KB Arsenal’s Liana program could provide intelligence in support of the EW mission. It would even be possible to adapt the solar-powered Liana bus for a “more limited” electronic warfare mission requiring less power.
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I guess that is the real point of nuclear tugs
Not to go to Mars, but to deliver sat interference satellites into LEO and to retrieve them after they become irradiated to place them into a higher orbit to prevent re-entry
At the same time, the Soyuz launched recently might be carrying precisely one of these delivery systems
But the higher power systems require a 100KW unit, necessitating Angara 5
Otoh the article references solar powered units for lower power systems
And that's what sent US congressmen running
https://www.thespacereview.com/article/3809/1
You can read the link here
In the article he included links to KRET site describing such a system to interfere with microsatellite
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