Su-30 for Russian Air Force #2

lancelot wrote:

Atmosphere wrote:A curious thing about the Su-30SM2, as well as the 34 by extension is the lack of optical MAWS like on the Su-35.
Like, how are they supposed to know if a IR missile is locking them up? Or is it not in within their intended purpose?

Yeah that is bonkers. You would expect after the experiences of going against an IADS heavy environment like Ukraine this would be rectified.

The Su-35 is just much more survivable in such environments than either Su-34 or Su-30 because of its lower RCS and MAWS.

From what I understand, from the post by Scorpius in another thread, the Su-30SM2 comes with new avionics and radar. Probably Irbis-E with the same avionics as in the Su-35. And that is about it. The AL-41 engine upgrade is supposed to come later. The higher lifetime of the AL-41 should help the maintenance crews cope with the high tempo missions in Ukraine.

lancelot wrote:

Atmosphere wrote:A curious thing about the Su-30SM2, as well as the 34 by extension is the lack of optical MAWS like on the Su-35.
Like, how are they supposed to know if a IR missile is locking them up? Or is it not in within their intended purpose?

Yeah that is bonkers. You would expect after the experiences of going against an IADS heavy environment like Ukraine this would be rectified.

The Su-35 is just much more survivable in such environments than either Su-34 or Su-30 because of its lower RCS and MAWS.

From what I understand, from the post by Scorpius in another thread, the Su-30SM2 comes with new avionics and radar. Probably Irbis-E with the same avionics as in the Su-35. And that is about it. The AL-41 engine upgrade is supposed to come later. The higher lifetime of the AL-41 should help the maintenance crews cope with the high tempo missions in Ukraine.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

lancelot wrote:

Atmosphere wrote:A curious thing about the Su-30SM2, as well as the 34 by extension is the lack of optical MAWS like on the Su-35.
Like, how are they supposed to know if a IR missile is locking them up? Or is it not in within their intended purpose?

Yeah that is bonkers. You would expect after the experiences of going against an IADS heavy environment like Ukraine this would be rectified.

The Su-35 is just much more survivable in such environments than either Su-34 or Su-30 because of its lower RCS and MAWS.

From what I understand, from the post by Scorpius in another thread, the Su-30SM2 comes with new avionics and radar. Probably Irbis-E with the same avionics as in the Su-35. And that is about it. The AL-41 engine upgrade is supposed to come later. The higher lifetime of the AL-41 should help the maintenance crews cope with the high tempo missions in Ukraine.

Most of the threats from SHORADS in Ukraine are passive radar guided missiles with search being done by AWACS or Ground based radar and tracking done by organic radar

Killing those should be done with RWR like L150 Pastel - the actual RWR isn’t a problem , but the tactics

If a su34 or su30 are engaged by tracking radar, a partner should fire kh31 at the detected radar signal even if it’s for a split second

caveat emptor wrote:They can't double the range of Bars-M just  with change of processor and electronics and new search algorithm.  
More power is needed and that can only be provided with Irbis-E. Only thing that i can see as a problem is that  Irbis-E can't be installed on this plane without Izdeliye 117s, as old engine can't provide enough power. But, without new engine and Irbis-E that can't be called Su-30SM2.

Atmosphere wrote:
Still, it would be good to have optical MAWS in case of a merge with a Su-27 (if these remained) or with F-16's in case those were not eliminated from long range via R-77-1.

On another curious note, many other fighters like US F-15/16/18s do not have such warning systems, it seems to be a theme.

George1 wrote:As in the previous deliveries, no numbers revealed

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4849841.html

caveat emptor wrote:At 12:23, according to Oleg Pankov, main constructor of Su-30 program, new engine will start from next year, meaning IRBIS-E can be also installed with it.
Right now, BARS-M modernized, is using one of the Chelnok klystrons (Irbis-E has two) and beam control unit from Irbis-E. So, this is some middle road solution between real SM2 upgrade and what they call SM2 atm, unless plans for installment of Irbis-E have changed. Pretty confusing.


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