Basically as US has done conversion from dumb to guided bombs Russia has chose to do it with SVP-24. How effective that solution is remains to be seeing. Different approach thats all.
I disagree. Up until very recently only a very small percentage of Russian air force aircraft even had precision guided weapon capability. The vast majority of guided weapons were carried mainly by customised aircraft like the Su-24 or the Mig-27K and the less expensive Mig-27M. With all the single engine aircraft withdrawn from service and most aircraft not getting upgrades this meant that most guided weapons were air to air missiles fitted to fighters and anti tank guided missiles fired from helicopters with most of the rest of the air fleet carrying dumb bombs and dumb rockets.
The standard armament of the Su-25 was bombs, including cluster bombs, rockets and the built in gun and of course gun pods.
It never had the role of the A-10 of behind the front lines loitering looking for armour to attack so most targets could be dealt with using rockets or bombs.
Right now however with upgraded and new aircraft entering service it actually makes sense for them to spend money on guided weapons, but the problem here is that a single guided weapon is more effective than say 15 unguided weapons of the same type they tend to cost 5-10 times more so while on paper your performance is greatly improved you had better hope for a short war, which of course can not be guaranteed.
GPS stops working above a certain height and above certain speeds to prevent its use in military applications, so for most of its weapons to use satellite guidance the Russians really do need Glonass because there is no alternative.
As GLONASS improves in accuracy and performance satellite guided weapons will become more useful and more effective and production of these weapons in significant numbers will reduce costs and make a GLONASS guidance package and INS system for every bomb cheap enough to make all bombs guided. For rockets a simple laser seeker with nose mounted canards can be used like the Ugroza system to make rocket pods much more cost effective weapons and of course in cases where accuracy is not needed (ie area target suppression) then unguided rockets can be used.
BTW interesting info on the Kh-32... thanks Victor.
Their answer isn't to increase spending 18 fold. The answer is to dispose of 2 million tonnes of munitions.
Their answer is to spend the money in the budget so that 70% of the weapons bought are guided. This compares to 4% previously.
I think this is a move in the right direction.
I think this will expose the problems of a large portion of the fleet not being able to use the new munitions and will hopefully lead to more upgrades of existing aircraft.
So far it is clear more Su-27s will get upgrades, the Su-24s that were going to get upgrades have had them, the Tu-22M3, Tu-160 and Tu-95 are going to receive upgrades, the Su-25 is going to receive upgrades and possibly re-enter production, the Mi-28N and Ka-52s should already be capable of using guided weapons already and will get Hermes when it has been tested. The Mig-31BM upgrade is continuing. As far as I can tell they are actually talking about guided air to ground or air to surface weapons and not air to air missiles, so this really only effects aircraft designed and operated in the air to ground role. The fact that most of the Mig-29 fleet can't use laser guided bombs wont be an issue because that is what the Su-24 and Su-34 are for. The Mig-29 pilots wont even get air to ground training most likely, just as Su-24 will only get defensive air to air training.
Any of those munitions they want to get rid of much of it will be obsolete and unsafe.
Even the French arsenal will dwarf Russia. KTRV was promised an order worth $160 million at MAKS, they have yet to get paid.
And this is a problem because you would think once they heard the order announced that they would take steps to prepare to fill that order... this costs money.
The Russian military has been talking tough about new stuff and shaking the military industrial complex into action after years of forced inaction. The problem is that if there is no money then they are just blowing smoke... again.
Why should UVZ come up with new tank designs when programs keep getting cut and they never get money promised? Why not just sit on their backsides and wait and eventually the Government will decide to licence produce Leopards or Leclercs and then the money will have to come.
When was the last time NATO aircraft dropped dumb bombs? 1991? Even Turkey is using JDAMs to take out PKK.
When was the last time Russia was invading a country on morality grounds and feared bad publicity because they knew they were the aggressor?
A dumb bomb accurately dropped in the midst of an all out Chinese attack will still do the job. The whole point of the Su-25 is to get in close and see the target and drop bombs on them... if you replace your dumb bombs with guided bombs then you need to replace the CAS aircraft with medium altitude Su-27SM and Mig-29SMTs.
It appears MoD has bailed on SVP-24 link
Further equipment Su-24 by systems [SVP]-24 is located open to question In the text of the news the following themes of the library are mentioned Production A -50 KA -50 MiG-27 Su-24 Su-24[M] Su-25 Tu-22[M]3 Personas [Popovkin] Vladimir Other news on the themes indicated, you can see on the personal pages of the themes Moscow. On December 9. Airport - further modernization of combatant aircraft Su-24 into the version Su-24[M] with the installation of system [SVP]-24 is located open to question, reported " [AviaPortu]" the Director-General of the privately held company of " Hephaestus [T]" Alexander Panin. " The deputy minister of defense Vladimir [Popovkin] forewent the planned for the following year financing of conducting the modernization of combatant front bombers Su-24[M] with the equipment with their specialized computational subsystem [SVP]-24, in spite of the solution at the level of [glavkoma] VVS about the need of conducting similar of [modernizatsii]" , collocutor noted. He supplemented, that " today it cannot be spoken, that the modernization of combatant Su-24[M] is ended, since inside the Ministry of Defense for this problem there are different of [mneniya]". [A].[Panin] emphasized that the effectiveness [SVP]-24 was confirmed by the crew of the line unit, into service with which entered the equipped with the series technology bombers Su-24[M]. [Ekspluatanty], which fly in the modernized combatant machines, they indicate that this modernization is necessary. " Those modernized Su-24[M] showed excellent results during all studies, including of " West -2009" and " Vostok-2010". From the system there are no observations, all [ekspluatanty] indicate that the tested in the system solutions very of [effektivny]" , collocutor noted. According to [A].[Panina], it is until today modernized in the series order of " more than 10 combatant Su-24[M]" and one bomber Tu-22[M]3. It refined that the privately held company of " Hephaestus [T]" modernized for its own calculation one strategic bomber Tu-22[M]3. " However, on this entire modernization of aircraft of this type (Tu-22[M]3), judging by everything, and [zavershilas]" , assumes the director general of company. Privately held company of " Hephaestus [T]" also developed the versions of the modernization of aircraft Su-25, MiG-27, L -39, A -50 Tu-22[M]3. Analogous TO [SVP]-24 system was tested on the helicopter KA -50, as a result of which the combat effectiveness of machine it increased 2,5 times. However, this theme did not obtain development. Dmitriy Kozlov
I would edit that down to its important points like this:
Further equipment Su-24 by systems [SVP]-24 is located open to question
Ie the decision to upgrade more Su-24s has not been made yet.
further modernization of combatant aircraft Su-24 into the version Su-24[M] with the installation of system [SVP]-24 is located open to question, reported " [AviaPortu]" the Director-General of the privately held company of " Hephaestus [T]" Alexander Panin. "
ie The director of the company that makes the SVP-24 says he does not have funding or an order to install their product on more Su-24s.
The deputy minister of defense Vladimir [Popovkin] forewent the planned for the following year financing of conducting the modernization of combatant front bombers Su-24[M] with the equipment with their specialized computational subsystem [SVP]-24, in spite of the solution at the level of [glavkoma] VVS about the need of conducting similar of [modernizatsii]" , collocutor noted.
ie They haven't given us money to continue the upgrade on more aircraft despite the VVS claiming a need for the upgrade... the director continues.
He supplemented, that " today it cannot be spoken, that the modernization of combatant Su-24[M] is ended, since inside the Ministry of Defense for this problem there are different of [mneniya]".
ie the Director says that the Su-24 will be upgraded further and that within the ministry of defence there is a disagreement on what is upgraded rather than whether it will be upgraded.
[A].[Panin] emphasized that the effectiveness [SVP]-24 was confirmed by the crew of the line unit, into service with which entered the equipped with the series technology bombers Su-24[M]. [Ekspluatanty], which fly in the modernized combatant machines, they indicate that this modernization is necessary. " Those modernized Su-24[M] showed excellent results during all studies, including of " West -2009" and " Vostok-2010". From the system there are no observations, all [ekspluatanty] indicate that the tested in the system solutions very of [effektivny]" , collocutor noted.
ie Our product has been tested in exercises and the users think it is wonderful and a necessary piece of kit.
According to [A].[Panina], it is until today modernized in the series order of " more than 10 combatant Su-24[M]" and one bomber Tu-22[M]3. It refined that the privately held company of " Hephaestus [T]" modernized for its own calculation one strategic bomber Tu-22[M]3. " However, on this entire modernization of aircraft of this type (Tu-22[M]3), judging by everything, and [zavershilas]" , assumes the director general of company. Privately held company of " Hephaestus [T]" also developed the versions of the modernization of aircraft Su-25, MiG-27, L -39, A -50 Tu-22[M]3.
ie we developed an upgraded SVP-24 for the Tu-22M3 and installed it and we have also developed versions for the Su-25, Mig-27, Ka-50, L-39, A-50, and Backfire. (Note not sure why an AWACS like the A-50 would need a bombing computer...)
Analogous TO [SVP]-24 system was tested on the helicopter KA -50, as a result of which the combat effectiveness of machine it increased 2,5 times. However, this theme did not obtain development. Dmitriy Kozlov
ie self explanatory.
So overall it sounds to me like this story is actually the director of a company selling his product and at the same time asking the government why they aren't buying more of his product.
There are no comments by the government itself so I pretty much see this as airing their laundry in public to get a continuation of their upgrade order.
The facts as the director of the company sees them is that his system is popular and effective so why aren't you ordering more.
Sounds a bit like the first post in this thread... the engine company has contracts to upgrade NS-32 engines and it is wondering out loud where the contracts to upgrade the NS-25 are.