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Russian Civil Aviation: News #4
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The 737 Max has done serious damage to Boeing's reputation, hopefully a Russian development can take advantage and fill the void:
Boeing and the us civil aviation Administration caught cheating on 737 MAX certification
Boeing and the us civil aviation Administration caught cheating on 737 MAX certification
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magnumcromagnon wrote:The 737 Max has done serious damage to Boeing's reputation, hopefully a Russian development can take advantage and fill the void:
Boeing and the us civil aviation Administration caught cheating on 737 MAX certification
I bet that mechanic was some PC freak affirmative hire. If it was a white male, then he would have been doing jail time.
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LMFS wrote:Putin said that the plane with the PD-35 engine should be ready by 2027
The engine can be used on an extended version of the Il-96, the head of state noted.
Putin said that the plane with the PD-35 engine should be ready by 2027
The PD-35 aircraft should be ready by 2027, Russian President Vladimir Putin said during a meeting with Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin.
According to the head of state, the engine can be used on the extended version of the Il-96, but we need to help bring this work to the end.
"The PD-35 with a thrust of 35 tons is a promising model, it should be ready by 2027, but we planned it for a wide-body aircraft. Even if by this time - this is the product of a long manufacturing cycle - it will not be ready, you still need to work on the engine. It will be possible to use it on an extended version of the Il-96, but we need to help engine builders to complete this work, " he said.
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/20201230142-5MWgx.html
New reference to the twin engine Il-96...
It is a safety policy plus the engine and the technologies used to develop it could be benefited from in other project.
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The National Air Ambulance Service will receive 74 Ansat and 58 Mi-8 helicopters
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4233778.html
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4233778.html
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PD-35 engine: project launched. The first results of work appeared
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During a recent meeting between the head of state Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin, the president set a task: an aircraft with a PD-35 engine must be completed by 2027. Vladimir Vladimirovich is extremely concerned about the fate of this project. “It is necessary to provide assistance to engine builders in bringing this work to completion,” he said.
Regarding the PD-35 aircraft engine, the encyclopedia dryly reports that this is an ultra-high thrust turbofan engine that provides 40 tons of takeoff . Some speak dryly about this development, pointing out that it is better not to soar in the clouds, but to improve the existing engines. Others are in euphoria from the prospects of the PD-35, expressing in the plan that this is an expected triumph, akin to the Crimean bridge, something so grandiose that it will immediately put Russia one step above the world's engine builders, who do not even suspect how high technologies are used here.
Work on the creation of a new engine is progressing intensely. Recently the press service of Technodinamika sent out a letter informing about the beginning of the development of elements of the PD-35 control system. The company's designers are currently working on the creation of an electric drive of the inlet guide vane, whose function is to position the rotating compressor blades.
The new engine is planned to be used on an extended version of the Il-96 . Now the aircraft is powered by Russian-made PS-90A engines. The wide-body aircraft flies 9,000 kilometers with 435 passengers on board.
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/zdorovayakulinaria/dvigatel-pd35-proekt-zapuscen-poiavilis-pervye-rezultaty-raboty-5ffe4eaafec2503c74fcf7e8
Yesterday
During a recent meeting between the head of state Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin, the president set a task: an aircraft with a PD-35 engine must be completed by 2027. Vladimir Vladimirovich is extremely concerned about the fate of this project. “It is necessary to provide assistance to engine builders in bringing this work to completion,” he said.
Regarding the PD-35 aircraft engine, the encyclopedia dryly reports that this is an ultra-high thrust turbofan engine that provides 40 tons of takeoff . Some speak dryly about this development, pointing out that it is better not to soar in the clouds, but to improve the existing engines. Others are in euphoria from the prospects of the PD-35, expressing in the plan that this is an expected triumph, akin to the Crimean bridge, something so grandiose that it will immediately put Russia one step above the world's engine builders, who do not even suspect how high technologies are used here.
Work on the creation of a new engine is progressing intensely. Recently the press service of Technodinamika sent out a letter informing about the beginning of the development of elements of the PD-35 control system. The company's designers are currently working on the creation of an electric drive of the inlet guide vane, whose function is to position the rotating compressor blades.
The new engine is planned to be used on an extended version of the Il-96 . Now the aircraft is powered by Russian-made PS-90A engines. The wide-body aircraft flies 9,000 kilometers with 435 passengers on board.
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/zdorovayakulinaria/dvigatel-pd35-proekt-zapuscen-poiavilis-pervye-rezultaty-raboty-5ffe4eaafec2503c74fcf7e8
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Bloody journalist trash. There is nothing controversial about the PD-35. It is a priority project for Russian civilian jet engine
development. "Improving existing engines" is inane pap.
development. "Improving existing engines" is inane pap.
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The new technology and design as well as improved production technology used to create the PD-35 can be used already to improve existing aircraft engines without separate development for each existing engine....
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https://www.stalkerzone.org/it-is-striking-how-competently-the-aircraft-industry-has-been-revived-in-russia/
The same point is made in this article. Keeping old stuff in production doesn´t make you a leading competitor in the market.
The same point is made in this article. Keeping old stuff in production doesn´t make you a leading competitor in the market.
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Hole wrote:https://www.stalkerzone.org/it-is-striking-how-competently-the-aircraft-industry-has-been-revived-in-russia/
The same point is made in this article. Keeping old stuff in production doesn´t make you a leading competitor in the market.
Agreed but it can certainly give you a revenue stream that enables you to help fund the upgrades and R&D that can move you closer to that position. Especially when, as is the case in Russia, there is an educated base of engineers and technological development to draw on.
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With the Il-96, does anyone know how modern it is if it has two PD-35 engines, replacing the 4 smaller ones?
How would it compare to the A-350 Airbus and Boeing 777? I understand that those 2 are 50% composite materials, plus Titanium and Aluminium-lithium components.
Could there be an ultra modern Il-96 twin engine with much more composites than present?
Could MC-21's largest possible variant the MC-21-700 with its 30tf proposed engines form the basis for the development required for a long haul widebody Russian jet?
Could the Russia wings for the CR-929 be adapted for an all Russian increased composite wide body jet?
In other words, could the Il-96 or the MC-21 evolve? Or is an all new design more likely to be needed.
I understand the CR929 and Il-96 are slightly different markets in terms of capacity and range etc, with the CR ofcourse being more modern too.
How would it compare to the A-350 Airbus and Boeing 777? I understand that those 2 are 50% composite materials, plus Titanium and Aluminium-lithium components.
Could there be an ultra modern Il-96 twin engine with much more composites than present?
Could MC-21's largest possible variant the MC-21-700 with its 30tf proposed engines form the basis for the development required for a long haul widebody Russian jet?
Could the Russia wings for the CR-929 be adapted for an all Russian increased composite wide body jet?
In other words, could the Il-96 or the MC-21 evolve? Or is an all new design more likely to be needed.
I understand the CR929 and Il-96 are slightly different markets in terms of capacity and range etc, with the CR ofcourse being more modern too.
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PD-35 should have well over twice the power of PD-14 which has more juice than PS-90 on IL-96 so it should work with two PD-35s no problem
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Agreed but it can certainly give you a revenue stream that enables you to help fund the upgrades and R&D that can move you closer to that position. Especially when, as is the case in Russia, there is an educated base of engineers and technological development to draw on.
You get more revenue selling newer better engines with better performance and lower operating and support costs, and you also get to make new planes which further improve things as well.
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Firebird wrote:With the Il-96, does anyone know how modern it is if it has two PD-35 engines, replacing the 4 smaller ones?
How would it compare to the A-350 Airbus and Boeing 777? I understand that those 2 are 50% composite materials, plus Titanium and Aluminium-lithium components.
Could there be an ultra modern Il-96 twin engine with much more composites than present?
Could MC-21's largest possible variant the MC-21-700 with its 30tf proposed engines form the basis for the development required for a long haul widebody Russian jet?
Could the Russia wings for the CR-929 be adapted for an all Russian increased composite wide body jet?
In other words, could the Il-96 or the MC-21 evolve? Or is an all new design more likely to be needed.
I understand the CR929 and Il-96 are slightly different markets in terms of capacity and range etc, with the CR ofcourse being more modern too.
It will probably get new wings which can be mostly composite. Composites have be used intelligently. I have not seen any numbers demonstrating
that the IL-96 has to be redesigned from scratch.
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The Il-96 is only 33 years old.. The first commercial flight took place in 1993. The Il-96 is similar to the A-350 in nearly all characterstics. The empty weight of Il-96 is only 2 tons more, compared to A-350. Maximum weight is similar.kvs wrote:Firebird wrote:With the Il-96, does anyone know how modern it is if it has two PD-35 engines, replacing the 4 smaller ones?
How would it compare to the A-350 Airbus and Boeing 777? I understand that those 2 are 50% composite materials, plus Titanium and Aluminium-lithium components.
Could there be an ultra modern Il-96 twin engine with much more composites than present?
Could MC-21's largest possible variant the MC-21-700 with its 30tf proposed engines form the basis for the development required for a long haul widebody Russian jet?
Could the Russia wings for the CR-929 be adapted for an all Russian increased composite wide body jet?
In other words, could the Il-96 or the MC-21 evolve? Or is an all new design more likely to be needed.
I understand the CR929 and Il-96 are slightly different markets in terms of capacity and range etc, with the CR ofcourse being more modern too.
It will probably get new wings which can be mostly composite. Composites have be used intelligently. I have not seen any numbers demonstrating
that the IL-96 has to be redesigned from scratch.
The Il-96 is a mature modern design, comparable to all state of the art western planes. Indeed...with new wings the weight could be reduced a bit and with new engines the range could be increased drastically.
Really nice design! Russia should continue production and evolution of Il-96.
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Firebird wrote:With the Il-96, does anyone know how modern it is if it has two PD-35 engines, replacing the 4 smaller ones?
How would it compare to the A-350 Airbus and Boeing 777? I understand that those 2 are 50% composite materials, plus Titanium and Aluminium-lithium components.
Could there be an ultra modern Il-96 twin engine with much more composites than present?
Could MC-21's largest possible variant the MC-21-700 with its 30tf proposed engines form the basis for the development required for a long haul widebody Russian jet?
Could the Russia wings for the CR-929 be adapted for an all Russian increased composite wide body jet?
In other words, could the Il-96 or the MC-21 evolve? Or is an all new design more likely to be needed.
I understand the CR929 and Il-96 are slightly different markets in terms of capacity and range etc, with the CR ofcourse being more modern too.
I agree with the comments by kvs and Azi, the main modernization task for the Il-96 would be to change the current wing + engine layout to a twin engine composite wing, as you say they are designing it for the CR929 so they would already have the basis for that, and they have their own raw materials + manufacturing technologies as result of the MC-21 program and thanks to the Western sanctions too. I am not aware of any need to change the fuselage, of course the systems will change but they are already doing that with the -400M. In that regard I think it would be perfectly ok for Russia and most foreign customers that are not eager for an ultramodern product but do care about price tag. The CR929 is needed by China, but not by Russia, so if negotiations go sour then they have basically no risk, just some loss of revenue. As to the MC-21, its fuselage is too narrow to be a competitor, an extended version may cover some routes for some time but it is not ideal. I have not heard anything about MC-21 with 30tf engines either...
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Yes, and in addition it will get state of the art new internal systems, landing gears, etc.
I would be interested to know how much of the new gwnwration of equipment developed for the MC21 could be scaled up or modified and reused on the il 96.
If this has not been done for the il-96-400M, I hope that it will be done instead for the twin engine derivative.
I would be interested to know how much of the new gwnwration of equipment developed for the MC21 could be scaled up or modified and reused on the il 96.
If this has not been done for the il-96-400M, I hope that it will be done instead for the twin engine derivative.
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Russia will become the only country that independently produces 5th generation aircraft engines
11 January
Today, only 4 countries in the world are the owners of technologies with the possibility of a full independent production cycle for the construction of aircraft engines, including for passenger airliners.
I think it's not a secret for anyone that such countries are the United States, France, Great Britain and, of course, Russia.
But it is worth noting that today none of the foreign manufacturers of aircraft engines produces all the components for their power plants within their own country.
Certainly, many will begin to object, citing exclusive Western cooperation and cooperation in common interests. But this is absolutely not the case.
All Western companies involved in the production of components for aircraft engines with a worldwide reputation are interested only in their own profit.
Russia also cooperates with Western engine-building companies. For example, in Ufa there is an UEC industrial park, which makes parts for aircraft engines of the well-known Pratt & Whitney company.
It is also worth noting that Rybinsk makes parts for American General Electric and French Snecma engines. Yes, yes, the same one that supplies SaM146 power plants for Russian Superjet 100 aircraft.
Today Russia is on the verge of becoming the only country in the world that will independently produce fifth-generation aircraft engines for civilian airliners.
We are talking about parts and materials, including composites, which today, within the framework of the import substitution program, Russian companies already produce 100% on their own.
Already today, ONPP Tekhnologiya, part of the Rostec state corporation, manufactures resonant-type composite components for the Saturn UEC for the promising PD-14 aircraft engine exclusively from its own composite materials.
It is worth noting that earlier these parts were also produced in Russia, but from materials of foreign production.
For the production of structural elements of the PD-14 engine at ONPP "Tekhnologiya", within the framework of the import substitution program, new domestic materials were developed and produced.
These include various alloys, including self-healing, polymeric materials and their components that provide the required characteristics.
The PD-14 engine is completely Russian, since the entire production cycle, from the development, production of all components using only domestic materials, assembly and ending with a finished product, is carried out directly by Russian companies.
To date, the PD-14 demonstrator engine with blades made of composite materials is already undergoing factory tests.
Earlier, the general designer of the Aviadvigatel UEC, Alexander Inozemtsev, said that this technology of composite blades will be used in the construction of the promising Russian PD-35 aircraft engine.
Flight tests of the PD-14 engine with composite blades at the flying laboratory are scheduled for early 2021.
The technology for the production of composite blades for a power plant of such power is the most important stage for the creation of a new generation turbofan engine.
Until recently, only 3 countries of the world had such technologies, and no one was going to share them with Russia. But Russian scientists and engineers have solved this problem.
The dimensions of the PD-35 engine are such that the alloy blades will be too heavy. This will lead to an increase in fan weight by 30%, more vibration, and, accordingly, a lower resource and higher fuel consumption.
The use of composite blades will not only significantly reduce the weight of the engine, but will also significantly increase the resource and increase the efficiency.
With the use of hollow alloy blades, Russian engines of the PD family at the initial stage become uncompetitive, and production is impractical.
But with the advent of technologies for the production of composite products, which are much cheaper than those of foreign manufacturers, Russian aircraft engines of the PD family will become significantly cheaper.
Today, Western aircraft engine manufacturers are already concerned that in conditions of independent production, and with the use of the latest technologies, Russian engines of the PD family will be able to significantly squeeze them in the world market.
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/parallel56/rossiia-stanet-edinstvennoi-stranoi-kotoraia-samostoiatelno-proizvodit-aviadvigateli-5go-pokoleniia-5ffc02b4af142f0b17907ff9
11 January
Today, only 4 countries in the world are the owners of technologies with the possibility of a full independent production cycle for the construction of aircraft engines, including for passenger airliners.
I think it's not a secret for anyone that such countries are the United States, France, Great Britain and, of course, Russia.
But it is worth noting that today none of the foreign manufacturers of aircraft engines produces all the components for their power plants within their own country.
Certainly, many will begin to object, citing exclusive Western cooperation and cooperation in common interests. But this is absolutely not the case.
All Western companies involved in the production of components for aircraft engines with a worldwide reputation are interested only in their own profit.
Russia also cooperates with Western engine-building companies. For example, in Ufa there is an UEC industrial park, which makes parts for aircraft engines of the well-known Pratt & Whitney company.
It is also worth noting that Rybinsk makes parts for American General Electric and French Snecma engines. Yes, yes, the same one that supplies SaM146 power plants for Russian Superjet 100 aircraft.
Today Russia is on the verge of becoming the only country in the world that will independently produce fifth-generation aircraft engines for civilian airliners.
We are talking about parts and materials, including composites, which today, within the framework of the import substitution program, Russian companies already produce 100% on their own.
Already today, ONPP Tekhnologiya, part of the Rostec state corporation, manufactures resonant-type composite components for the Saturn UEC for the promising PD-14 aircraft engine exclusively from its own composite materials.
It is worth noting that earlier these parts were also produced in Russia, but from materials of foreign production.
For the production of structural elements of the PD-14 engine at ONPP "Tekhnologiya", within the framework of the import substitution program, new domestic materials were developed and produced.
These include various alloys, including self-healing, polymeric materials and their components that provide the required characteristics.
The PD-14 engine is completely Russian, since the entire production cycle, from the development, production of all components using only domestic materials, assembly and ending with a finished product, is carried out directly by Russian companies.
To date, the PD-14 demonstrator engine with blades made of composite materials is already undergoing factory tests.
Earlier, the general designer of the Aviadvigatel UEC, Alexander Inozemtsev, said that this technology of composite blades will be used in the construction of the promising Russian PD-35 aircraft engine.
Flight tests of the PD-14 engine with composite blades at the flying laboratory are scheduled for early 2021.
The technology for the production of composite blades for a power plant of such power is the most important stage for the creation of a new generation turbofan engine.
Until recently, only 3 countries of the world had such technologies, and no one was going to share them with Russia. But Russian scientists and engineers have solved this problem.
The dimensions of the PD-35 engine are such that the alloy blades will be too heavy. This will lead to an increase in fan weight by 30%, more vibration, and, accordingly, a lower resource and higher fuel consumption.
The use of composite blades will not only significantly reduce the weight of the engine, but will also significantly increase the resource and increase the efficiency.
With the use of hollow alloy blades, Russian engines of the PD family at the initial stage become uncompetitive, and production is impractical.
But with the advent of technologies for the production of composite products, which are much cheaper than those of foreign manufacturers, Russian aircraft engines of the PD family will become significantly cheaper.
Today, Western aircraft engine manufacturers are already concerned that in conditions of independent production, and with the use of the latest technologies, Russian engines of the PD family will be able to significantly squeeze them in the world market.
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/parallel56/rossiia-stanet-edinstvennoi-stranoi-kotoraia-samostoiatelno-proizvodit-aviadvigateli-5go-pokoleniia-5ffc02b4af142f0b17907ff9
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Best friend America did everything they could in the 1990s to kill the Il-96 and Il-106, because they were competitors... and Yeltsen complied because he thought it made more sense for Russia to buy US aircraft with their oil and gas income...
Note new wings are not that big a deal... the Tu-95 was upgraded in the 1970s/80s with a new much more efficient wing that was also used on the Tu-142 naval model and various drag reduction measures to the fuselage too...
Note new wings are not that big a deal... the Tu-95 was upgraded in the 1970s/80s with a new much more efficient wing that was also used on the Tu-142 naval model and various drag reduction measures to the fuselage too...
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Second flight was a success.
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Love the look and sound of turboprop driven aircraft. Somehow not as brutal as a jet.
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The new IL-114-300 regional passenger turboprop aircraft made its second flight. This was reported by the press service of the United Aircraft Building Company.
According to the report, the flight of the Il-114-300 took place on January 19 as part of the flight test program from the Zhukovsky airfield. The plane, like the first time, was piloted by the crew consisting of the chief pilot of PJSC "Il", first class test pilot Nikolai Kuimov, first class test pilot Dmitry Komarov, first class test flight engineer Oleg Gryazev.
The plane spent 2 hours 47 minutes in flight, climbing to an altitude of 2 thousand meters at a speed of 290 km / h. The aircraft systems and equipment were operating normally, the flight mission was completed in full.
According to the report, the flight of the Il-114-300 took place on January 19 as part of the flight test program from the Zhukovsky airfield. The plane, like the first time, was piloted by the crew consisting of the chief pilot of PJSC "Il", first class test pilot Nikolai Kuimov, first class test pilot Dmitry Komarov, first class test flight engineer Oleg Gryazev.
The plane spent 2 hours 47 minutes in flight, climbing to an altitude of 2 thousand meters at a speed of 290 km / h. The aircraft systems and equipment were operating normally, the flight mission was completed in full.
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Wow, that was a smooth landing. Must have not been much turbulence.
The test pilot on the right is now familiar to me since he has appeared in other videos on different projects.
The test pilot on the right is now familiar to me since he has appeared in other videos on different projects.
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In this 10 minute podcast, this analyst is pretty skeptical about the Russia China 929 joint venture because the Chinese are being too greedy. They just want to learn Russia's technical know how and then go on their own. It would be good if Russia and China could do an honest joint venture. But if the Chinese are getting too greedy, then that's a problem for Russia.
He also says that China actually bought a western company that builds the most modern aircraft manufacturing machinery. Sounds like a dumb move by the west to allow China to acquire that.
Oh and the ARJ21 has an Antonov wing
https://leehamnews.com/2021/01/19/podcast-10-minutes-about-chinas-commercial-aviation-industry/
He also says that China actually bought a western company that builds the most modern aircraft manufacturing machinery. Sounds like a dumb move by the west to allow China to acquire that.
Oh and the ARJ21 has an Antonov wing
https://leehamnews.com/2021/01/19/podcast-10-minutes-about-chinas-commercial-aviation-industry/
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Backman wrote:In this 10 minute podcast, this analyst is pretty skeptical about the Russia China 929 joint venture because the Chinese are being too greedy. They just want to learn Russia's technical know how and then go on their own. It would be good if Russia and China could do an honest joint venture. But if the Chinese are getting too greedy, then that's a problem for Russia.
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Russia has backup option, China doesn't
If Chinese are being greedy that's Chinese problem
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