The Situation in the Ukraine. #29

GarryB wrote:
Countries wanting to buy Russian weapons and products and energy... including rocket engines and titanium... will likely need to join the system to access their market... the EU kicking Russia out of SWIFT will essentially create an alternative to SWIFT... I doubt they will kick out members of SWIFT who join this new system, because if the US and EU want titanium for aircraft and of course energy and raw materials and other things they are going to have to pay for it somehow... and they wont be able to use SWIFT.

I don't they will follow thru but I would not underestimate either as stupidity and self-harm are current world trends in all things....they have created exceptions as they need and kicked Turkey out on f-35 and started maligning relations with India on s-400. Some will give in tactically because one picks their battles as necessary. Russia does not seem to carry the ego to stop selling stuff because they make money and leaving the prestige out....this is good and bad.

That is not loyalty to the US, it is mathematics... complete this job for a fraction of the 11+ billion dollar project... say 200 million or something and cut yourself out of the US market that needs infrastructure work real bad for the next 20 years at least... obviously they are going to drop this job in hope of future jobs.

Still trying to find a point in your statement, its profit or opportunity or fear or something else is always the motive....are there any other reasons? Morality/Honor/Integrity or respect for laws sound good only on twitter or in statements

Western companies don't make western products in Russia to benefit Russia. They do it to bypass import restrictions on foreign goods, but also cheap energy and manufacturing in Russia means exports to other markets can make them more profit too.

Point is it will cause some pain to them and also Russians employed with those firms. Life is life and a man has to feed his family and he can't do that on geopolitics all the time.

The threat is often worse than the punishment... the US dollar was a powerful weapon... till they started using it as a weapon against Russia and so they got rid of the US Debt they held and are working to eliminate US dollars from all their international transactions... so it was a power, but it was used and now it has actually weakened the US more than Russia... Russia was talking about dropping the dollar for years but didn't until the US used it against them.

Even we American's have become indifferent to our never ending QE and our leaders short sightedness.....no one gives a damn and has given up on current young generations here

If they think that is control then they are delusional...

I don't have the words for society anymore.....need to invent some

Russia has an alternative to SWIFT but no good reason to start using it... the EU giving them that reason is the push Russia needs.

Too many pussies in real world afraid to chart their course....can find plenty right here

Regular wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:One has to define Ukrainians.

Western Ukrainians are Romanian/Poles and they hate Russians with every inch of their souls.

Romanian? What are you on about I know Ukrainians look and smell like gypsies, but they are not related.

Western Ukrainians are mostly derived from Poles and Belarussians. And basically, that's it. They are the only people that could be considered to have separate "culture" influenced by cossacs, but still different from the rest Ukraine today. I believe in the future they will be the ones looking for separatism because they are clashing with the rest of the regions. They have different ideology and mentality. Rest of Ukraine bends to EU and Globohomo ideology and it doesn't bode well with Bandera worshipers. And they not only hate russians, but they hate poles with equal hate, even when they live in Russia and Poland they hold a grudge and cause various problems in those countries. Rest of Ukraine, even if they are crazy, but it's a question of time until they will be back in Russian sphere and I have no doubt. How long it will take for them to be dropped by the west and disfranchised - is question of time.

I had at least one in-law who clearly was heavily mixed with Romanian stock. I am not PC and can tell differences between ethnic groups in bulk. Sure,
it gets harder to tell on an individual basis. Western Ukraine is a mish-mash of different ethnic groups and a long history of western occupation. During
WW I, Canada sent Ukrainians to internment camps because they were "enemy aliens" from the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

Regardless of who knows what and/or who thinks what, my opinion has not changed to this day, 19:20 on 29 April 2021. We are, in my opinion, at noon, 27 July 1914. It's that close.

No offense but I was shocked to find that you were not PC...

You think he's shocking? I'm a 'wokeists' worse nightmare, and a 'vegans' too. And the whole 'climate change' herd don't like me, either. All of which is why I cry meself to sleep every night.

Too many pussies in real world afraid to chart their course....can find plenty right here

The irony is that these threats are made at Russia because they don't do as they are told, and the threats being made are self defeating if they actually follow through and they are being pushed to do so by they daddy.... the pussies in this conversation is the EU.

We are, in my opinion, at noon, 27 July 1914. It's that close.

The real problem is that the people in power and their expert advisors since the end of the cold war are loser idiots... in the 1990s experts on Russia shut up shop because it wasn't useful to keep tabs on them, and the newbies are idiots who have no respect and no sense of professionalism and think Russia lost so they have to do what we say... it will just require one more sanction that is all...

These are the morons that are in charge so of course the risk of something really really bad happening is much higher than most will accept publicly...

This makes things very dangerous... all I can say is Zelenski is going to lose... the main question is... will he take us all with him?

Positive news, a blast furnace back in action.

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In Donetsk, the DMZ today produced the first cast iron for a long period of downtime.

JohninMK wrote:Positive news, a blast furnace back in action.

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In Donetsk, the DMZ today produced the first cast iron for a long period of downtime.

Must be PO Akhmetov to no end

franco wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Positive news, a blast furnace back in action.
In Donetsk, the DMZ today produced the first cast iron for a long period of downtime.[/i]

Must be PO Akhmetov to no end

He used to own a lot of property down here, too, operative being 'used to'.

The really ridiculous thing is wondering which sanction the EU can impose on Russia that will break these descendents of men and women who fought in Stalingrad and Leningrad... the fact that the EU collectively think a way to punish Russia for not doing as they are told is to not let them pump cheap energy to Germany to help the German economy which is largely based on production to operate better.

It might only be a matter of time before the people in a certain region called St Petersberg think that is too European and perhaps going back to Leningrad might be a good idea.

How ironic that the song for Russia for its future could be the song Selena Gomez wrote when she and Justin Beiber split up... Russia honestly needs to lose the EU and the West to love Russia again. And the EU and the West are doing worse than singing off key in Russias chorus...



I picked a version with the lyrics to show how much this maps to this situation between Russia and the West...

GarryB wrote:It might only be a matter of time before the people in a certain region called St Petersberg think that is too European and perhaps going back to Leningrad might be a good idea....

Region is still called Leningrad, city itself is the one that was renamed back to original St. Petersburg

Spring conscription into the Ukrainian army under threat of failure

The spring conscription of Ukrainian citizens into the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine under the threat of complete failure, only 15% of conscripts turned up in the month since the beginning of the draft to the military registration and enlistment offices. The situation is not expected to improve.

According to local mass media, in the period from April 1 to May 1, about 15% of recruits out of 14 thousand planned for conscription in the spring campaign arrived at the recruiting centers. It is emphasized that the bulk of the draft deviators are from the western regions of Ukraine.

The military registration and enlistment offices of Ukraine, or rather, the territorial centers of recruitment and social support, are sounding the alarm, the call is once again thwarted. The Ukrainian police, who have received new duties, cannot detain the draft evaders and immediately deliver them to the military registration and enlistment offices, since they (the draft evaders) simply do not exist on the territory of Ukraine, they are all working, some in Europe, and some in Russia.

According to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in Ternopil and Ivano-Frankivsk regions, not a single conscript appeared at the recruiting station. The nationalists, who served in the role of volunteer assistants to the military commissars, more than once ran into forceful resistance when trying to force the remaining draft deviators to come to the military registration and enlistment office. In the Volyn region, out of 50 conscripts, two are ill, and 48 left for Poland for seasonal work. Better to bend your back there than serve in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Meanwhile, in Ukraine, the responsibility for evading conscription into the Armed Forces of Ukraine was toughened, but even this measure did not increase the flow of those wishing to serve in the "strongest army in Europe."

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It became clear why Zelensky is seeking an urgent meeting with Putin

Vladimir Zelensky is seeking a bilateral meeting with Vladimir Putin . Several negotiation platforms are offered at once: the Vatican, Vienna and Jerusalem. However, what is driving the Ukrainian leader and what true plans does he have? The expert of the commission on mass media of the OP RF, blogger Vadim Manukyan shared the data of his source about what actually stands behind these aspirations of Zelensky.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy decided to play the biggest chess game of his life. My source in Kiev learned the essence of this game. Realizing that there would be no negotiations with Moscow's participation in the "Normandy format" until Kiev's implementation of the Minsk agreements, Zelensky began frantically looking for ways out of this trap and proposed a bilateral meeting with Vladimir Putin. His only goal in these negotiations is to discuss the topic of Donbass. Zelenskiy and his entire propaganda machine are trying with all their might to present Russia as a party to this conflict. Official Moscow has repeatedly stated that Kiev needs to negotiate directly with the authorities of the LPR and DPR. For this reason, Moscow's only condition for a possible meeting with Zelensky is not to discuss the Donbass issue. But this does not suit the Ukrainian leader at all.

According to my source, Zelenskiy has long enlisted the support of the United States for the "reintegration" of Donbass by military means. Weapons, special equipment, American instructors - everything is ready to restart history on Ukrainian soil with Saakashvili's attack on South Ossetia in 2008.

At the same time, Zelensky does not want to repeat the outcome of this Georgian adventure and finally lose Donbass. Against the background of Kiev's official rhetoric that there is no other alternative to a peaceful settlement in Donbass, a secret start of a large-scale military campaign was being prepared. It was set for May 15th. However, it had to be suddenly postponed due to the accumulation of Russian military equipment on the border with Ukraine and the rhetoric of the Kremlin that "we will not abandon the Donbas", as well as reminders that if there is a repeat of the massacre in Srebrenica, Russia will not stand aside. This ruined Zelensky's plans for a lightning-fast seizure of Donbass, and he decided to take a different path, concluding a kind of "non-aggression pact" with Russia.

Zelensky wants to meet with Putin to conclude a non-aggression pact on Donbass

That is, we are talking about another historical analogy with the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of 1939, when Hitler deceived Stalin less than two years after its signing, treacherously attacking the USSR. Zelensky has a different goal: having lulled Moscow's vigilance and knowing that Vladimir Putin always adheres to international agreements, the Ukrainian leader wants to buy time to launch an attack on Donbass at the most convenient moment for himself.

Official Moscow insists that it will not discuss the Donbass topic in a bilateral format, since there is an opportunity to discuss this topic with the participation of Russia, Ukraine, Germany and France after the Ukrainian side fulfills the Minsk agreements. Vatican, Jerusalem, Vienna - you can offer as many negotiation platforms as you like, but the ending will always be the same - Donbass will not be discussed there.

Vladimir Putin and the Russian Foreign Ministry are playing an impeccable game in this party and give a decent answer to all Zelensky's attempts. Vladimir Alexandrovich decided to compete in chess with professionals, but in this game he is just a beginner, and all his moves are calculated in advance.
Vadim Manukyan

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The first recruits to the DPR army took the military oath

Today, on May 1, a solemn ceremony was held in Donetsk for the swearing-in of servicemen of the People's Militia of the Republic of conscript service of the first draft.

The event took place at the Donetsk Higher Combined Arms Command School, the PolitNavigator correspondent reports.

Full article: https://uveqghgfjuukp6xyeztcj5tu6i-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-politnavigator-net.translate.goog/pervye-prizyvniki-v-armiyu-dnr-prinyali-voennuyu-prisyagu.html?utm_source=warfiles.ru

NOTE: lot's of photo's, very professional looking army and the female detachment look nice too

Ukrainians are losers and useless pawns. Russia can smack Ukraine around all day long and this website will jack off about Putin all day long but US and the cabal are winners in this fight. Russia can’t play defense forever.

The fact that after 21 years Putin has to continue to extend his presidency and can’t step down and hold honest elections shows that he has failed to provide a stable and secure republic power structure that would serve Russian interests. All the cabal has to do is wait it out. Wait for Putin to get old and some fucktard impressionable liberal will be president of Russia eventually or some navalny type will get lucky and start color revolution/coup.

Man the good guys just never win.

bitcointrader70 wrote:Ukrainians are losers and useless pawns. Russia can smack Ukraine around all day long and this website will jack off about Putin all day long but US and the cabal are winners in this fight. Russia can’t play defense forever.

The fact that after 21 years Putin has to continue to extend his presidency and can’t step down and hold honest elections shows that he has failed to provide a stable and secure republic power structure that would serve Russian interests. All the cabal has to do is wait it out. Wait for Putin to get old and some fucktard impressionable liberal will be president of Russia eventually or some navalny type will get lucky and start color revolution/coup.

Man the good guys just never win.

Bingo, we only need to get lucky once and that's all it will take.

I would say replace Putin when he starts making stupid mistakes... he seems to still be the best jockey in the race even though he is not riding the fastest horse.

Bingo, we only need to get lucky once and that's all it will take.

Hahaha... do to Russia what you have done to the Ukraine and the world will look like the Ukraine... nuke wars are very destructive, but America has shown in Ukraine and Syria and Iraq and Afghanistan and Iran and Brazil... they don't give a **** about people.

Just playing the game is revealing the horns and the glowing red eyes of the devils in power in the US... so keep playing... it is entertaining watching America embarrass itself... it is not even pretending any more.

GarryB wrote:
Just playing the game is revealing the horns and the glowing red eyes of the devils in power in the US... so keep playing... it is entertaining watching America embarrass itself... it is not even pretending any more.

The US is like the rich old guy down the pub/club who has always been around, living the high life, always flashing the cash but who is now living a lie. He was rich and powerful beyond dreams, but now he is only able to maintain the facade, as that is all it has become, by maxing out his credit limit. Few are aware of the reality of the situation and those that speak out are voices in the wilderness. But those highly dependent on US cash, like Ukraine, are in for a shock.

The only unknown is timing but the day of reckoning will come. Who will come out top? Unless it is all a smoking ruin it will be the largest country with the lowest debt. The country that went through its own financial enema 30 years ago.

How will the rest of us cope with living like the Russians did in the 1990s? Mad Max?

As to Seig's "Bingo, we only need to get lucky once and that's all it will take." comment, do you have some kind of death wish? When Putin goes what makes you think that his replacement will be more 'reasonable' to the US? Much more likely he will take a harder line and do you honestly want that?

GarryB wrote:I would say replace Putin when he starts making stupid mistakes... he seems to still be the best jockey in the race even though he is not riding the fastest horse.

Bingo, we only need to get lucky once and that's all it will take.

Hahaha... do to Russia what you have done to the Ukraine and the world will look like the Ukraine... nuke wars are very destructive, but America has shown in Ukraine and Syria and Iraq and Afghanistan and Iran and Brazil... they don't give a **** about people.

Just playing the game is revealing the horns and the glowing red eyes of the devils in power in the US... so keep playing... it is entertaining watching America embarrass itself... it is not even pretending any more.

There is a difference between attacking an enemy from the outside vs giving it cancer and letting that cancer spread.

You are just too simple-minded to see the game.

JohninMK wrote:

GarryB wrote:
Just playing the game is revealing the horns and the glowing red eyes of the devils in power in the US... so keep playing... it is entertaining watching America embarrass itself... it is not even pretending any more.

The US is like the rich old guy down the pub/club who has always been around, living the high life, always flashing the cash but who is now living a lie. He was rich and powerful beyond dreams, but now he is only able to maintain the facade, as that is all it has become, by maxing out his credit limit. Few are aware of the reality of the situation and those that speak out are voices in the wilderness. But those highly dependent on US cash, like Ukraine, are in for a shock.

The only unknown is timing but the day of reckoning will come. Who will come out top? Unless it is all a smoking ruin it will be the largest country with the lowest debt. The country that went through its own financial enema 30 years ago.

How will the rest of us cope with living like the Russians did in the 1990s? Mad Max?

As to Seig's "Bingo, we only need to get lucky once and that's all it will take." comment, do you have some kind of death wish? When Putin goes what makes you think that his replacement will be more 'reasonable' to the US? Much more likely he will take a harder line and do you honestly want that?

I really don't think you understand the type of game the US is playing with Russia, a nation like Russia you do not take out by force, you make it eat itself.

There is a famous quote by Hitler "He who controls the youth controls the future". In current-day Russia that is impossible of course, the ones in power remember well but ah the young and ignorant youth who will grow and eventually reach places of power. I want you to visit Moscow ask the young what they want, when you do that then you'll understand these words.

Really the morons here who think the US wants to beat the Russians now are fools all of them are pure fools, the current objective is just to keep Russia isolated while we wait for seeds to grow.

Putin knows this that's why he modified the constitution like he did, but that won't be enough, of course nothing is guaranteed so we'll see how it goes.

Those things aren't my call to make at all and I got nothing against the Russians, I think they are all good people. Alias you know how governments are.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:
There is a difference between attacking an enemy from the outside vs giving it cancer and letting that cancer spread.

Its just that the current US State Department seems to have lost the skills to achieve that objective in anything other than a small (apart from perhaps Brazil but that won't last), usually Latin American, country, having to rely on the DoD for regime change.

In many ways Crimea and Donbass followed quickly by Syria were where the mighty US foreign policy started to fall apart. The rest of the World learning that in reality the Emperor did indeed have no clothes. Iran was then the first to put the boot in.

JohninMK wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:
There is a difference between attacking an enemy from the outside vs giving it cancer and letting that cancer spread.

Its just that the current US State Department seems to have lost the skills to achieve that objective in anything other than a small (apart from perhaps Brazil but that won't last), usually Latin American, country, having to rely on the DoD for regime change.

In many ways Crimea and Donbass followed quickly by Syria were where the mighty US foreign policy started to fall apart. The rest of the World learning that in reality the Emperor did indeed have no clothes. Iran was then the first to put the boot in.

With Ukraine there was always some expectations parts of it would break away Donbass and Crimea where expected outcomes, Frankly I thought the Russians would move to keep more of the east under their pocket, I was wrong about that. You may think that marks a failure for us but no John it's a testament to how well we played the Russians that they only managed to keep influence over such little areas.

You are smarter than that John, you should know couping a country the size of Ukraine will create breaks, we knew that from the very start, so trying to use Donbass and Crimea just isn't logical.

As for Syria, sure that didn't go 100 percent to plan, but we still managed to split that place up. So not a total success but not a total failure, Syria will never be whole again.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:I really don't think you understand the type of game the US is playing with Russia, a nation like Russia you do not take out by force, you make it eat itself.

There is a famous quote by Hitler "He who controls the youth controls the future". In current-day Russia that is impossible of course, the ones in power remember well but ah the young and ignorant youth who will grow and eventually reach places of power. I want you to visit Moscow ask the young what they want, when you do that then you'll understand these words.

Really the morons here who think the US wants to beat the Russians now are fools all of them are pure fools, the current objective is just to keep Russia isolated while we wait for seeds to grow.

Putin knows this that's why he modified the constitution like he did, but that won't be enough, of course nothing is guaranteed so we'll see how it goes.

Those things aren't my call to make at all and I got nothing against the Russians, I think they are all good people. Alias you know how governments are.

I love your US style optimism. You surely can't believe that, given the current increasing chaos and debt levels back home, that the US will last long enough as a culture to aspire too for today's Russian youth to bend to your will? Can you see Russian police allowing the Seatle/Portland riots?

Also aspirations in life change as we age and reality intrudes.

Anyway, this is way off topic so I expect it to disappear into the black hole thread.

JohninMK wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:I really don't think you understand the type of game the US is playing with Russia, a nation like Russia you do not take out by force, you make it eat itself.

There is a famous quote by Hitler "He who controls the youth controls the future". In current-day Russia that is impossible of course, the ones in power remember well but ah the young and ignorant youth who will grow and eventually reach places of power. I want you to visit Moscow ask the young what they want, when you do that then you'll understand these words.

Really the morons here who think the US wants to beat the Russians now are fools all of them are pure fools, the current objective is just to keep Russia isolated while we wait for seeds to grow.

Putin knows this that's why he modified the constitution like he did, but that won't be enough, of course nothing is guaranteed so we'll see how it goes.

Those things aren't my call to make at all and I got nothing against the Russians, I think they are all good people. Alias you know how governments are.

I love your US style optimism. You surely can't believe that, given the current increasing chaos and debt levels back home, that the US will last long enough as a culture to aspire too for today's Russian youth to bend to your will? Can you see Russian police allowing the Seatle/Portland riots?

Also aspirations in life change as we age and reality intrudes.

Anyway, this is way off topic so I expect it to disappear into the black hole thread.

Once more go to Moscow talk to the youth then ask me if I believe that. You'll be shocked at what they say.

but I'll finish this little chat here.

There is a difference between attacking an enemy from the outside vs giving it cancer and letting that cancer spread.

You are just too simple-minded to see the game.

People in glass houses...

The problem is that I am not simple minded like the good little drone that you are... the fact that you think breaking countries to see if you get a better result in terms of who is in charge tells me it is time for America to taste some regime change perhaps...

I really don't think you understand the type of game the US is playing with Russia, a nation like Russia you do not take out by force, you make it eat itself.

The fact that you think this is a game is the most amusing thing... and when a hard line nationalist gets into power in Russia... because that is the second most popular after the commies, the chance of the US of A being nuked will go up like 10,000 times...

There is a famous quote by Hitler "He who controls the youth controls the future".

You are quoting Hitler...

In current-day Russia that is impossible of course, the ones in power remember well but ah the young and ignorant youth who will grow and eventually reach places of power. I want you to visit Moscow ask the young what they want, when you do that then you'll understand these words.

What would children know?

Really the morons here who think the US wants to beat the Russians now are fools all of them are pure fools, the current objective is just to keep Russia isolated while we wait for seeds to grow.

Russia doesn't want to beat anyone.... but I do look forward to China buying up America when you can't pay your bills because no one accepts that monopoly money you use... see the latest US $20... it is actually two ply.

Putin knows this that's why he modified the constitution like he did, but that won't be enough, of course nothing is guaranteed so we'll see how it goes.

Those things aren't my call to make at all and I got nothing against the Russians, I think they are all good people. Alias you know how governments are.

Yeah yeah.... secret plan.... yeah yeah... Mach 6 Aurora is currently flying over my house.... yeah yeah.

You may think that marks a failure for us but no John it's a testament to how well we played the Russians that they only managed to keep influence over such little areas.

How much kool aide do you drink... Russia has taken complete control of the Crimea and now don't have to pay exorbitant rent to Kiev to keep using Sevastopol and the naval base there.

Kiev had complete control over the Ukraine and Crimea and it hadn't really cost you a cent, but you spend 5 billion dollars and nuland made some cookies and now a large section of the Ukraine is not talking with Kiev and Crimea is now Russian... yeah, you guys are master chess players...

So not a total success but not a total failure, Syria will never be whole again.

Yeah... America... fucken heros... killing people and breaking countries and supporting terrorists... but you consider what you do is a game so it is all OK.

Once more go to Moscow talk to the youth then ask me if I believe that. You'll be shocked at what they say.

Sure.... while I am at it I might go to a city in the US... how about Detroit and ask them what they think...

Anyway, this is way off topic so I expect it to disappear into the black hole thread.

I think anyone who wants to discuss this topic needs to understand the sort of evil they are dealing with... I am going to leave it right here.