flamming_python wrote:ArgentinaGuard wrote:Do not say foolishness. the Holocaust in India was a reality, as were the starvation deaths of Slavic peasants. All that stupidity of the communists gave foundations to the Ukrainian nationalists.
Mao did the same in China with the "leap forward", which ended in disaster. Communists seek compulsive modernization to get closer to their liberal peers. That is why they are the same.
Bud, communists sought modernization because without it you will get crushed.
Imagine what a push-over the Soviet Union would have been in WW2 if Stalin hadn't force-industrialized it in the 30s and achieved GDP per year growth rates of up to 15%.
The Holodomor was due to a large part because of the policy of collectivization. That grain was collected and sold to the West in return for machinery, as the US did not take gold for payment at the time. The machinery was used to industrialize the USSR.
Much is made of how many tanks the Red Army lost in the first 6 months of the war. It had over 20,000 and lost 90% of them, even if most of them were obsolete. But if it wasn't for the same Stalin, the Soviet Union would have never had that many tanks to lose - in fact it simply would have been rolled over. And the Soviet Union certainly wouldn't have had the industries to replace those losses
The communists were also aware that they have to bring prosperity to their own people even if short-term sacrifice was necessary, that's on what support is based on to a large extent as we see in China. The people are fed and content with the rapid modernization of their own country and trust the leadership.
You criticize the enlightenment but to witness a society that didn't get affect by it either directly, or indirectly, you will have to go look at some Afghanistan, maybe Pakistan, Saudi Arabia or Sudan. As a general rule these countries are backwards not only in laws but technological progress too. This is not a coincidence - these issues are linked. And this is what has doomed them to predation at the hands of the countries which did modernize; the same liberals. Who are in fact militaristic and aggressive as all hell, and who could afford such policies as their modernity and forward thinking is what allowed them to gain an advantage and then bulldoze everyone else and keep them down.
They were going to crush the communists? If they were financed by Western bankers to put an end to Czarist Russia, if it was threatened by its anti-Semitic policy.
Tsarist Russia had already embarked on a program of reforms and modernization. The communists, in their narrative, always deny the works of tsarism that built an empire and national state, millennial, while they barely lasted 90 years. Many communist works fell into disuse but the Trans-Siberian train still continues. Obviously, it wasn't compulsive like the Soviets because they couldn't exterminate millions of people with impunity.On the other hand, you need a balance. Maintaining the tradition is essential. Otherwise you create a Franskenstein with low health. They cannot make a modernization ending with the roots, customs, etc. The best modernization was made by Japan, although the cost was the samurais. But at least they sought to integrate their ancient warrior code into the new Japan. Then, the German and Japanese defeat ended that country
I don't know what to call back and celebrate the subversion of the Enlightenment. Afghanistan defeated everyone. Thanks to Iran (a religious society) Russia had drones at a critical time in the war with Ukraine.
you should not talk so much