Su-34 Tactical Bomber: News #2

Ukrainian AD is clearly decisive since after 7 months russian can fly their planes only on the front line at very low altitude and they keep being downed.

You say that but opinion is not fact.

Ukraine has an airpower. It's su-27 keep being shot down by su-35 equiped with long range radars and longer range R-77 than r-27, because with its big RCS the su 27 can be detected by su-35 at max range and r-77 be used at max effective range.

Again, opinion... we really don't know what is shooting down what and how it is being detected.

Result of su-34 vs rafale would be the same as ukro su-27 vs ru su-35. Rafale would see it first and launch meteors at long range while the su-34 wouldn't know what's going on.

But Ukraine has no Meteors and no Rafales so I can confidently assert that zero Su-34s have been shot down by Rafales or Meteors.

Airfields operating Rafales would be hammered very hard and any Rafales that got airborne would need to negotiate airspace with Su-35s and S-400s and S-350s and BUKs operating in it not to mention Pantsirs and TORs.

Meteor isn't combat tested, sure. But they have tested it in plenty of configuration including in heavy jamming... it is the best missile today. Everyone agree on that too but some fanboys.

Without any combat testing we don't know how it would go... is there a ground launched version of it... if it is so amazing wouldn't there be a push for a ground launched model?

It is a shitty aircraft because it can't do what it was designed to do against against a convenional enemy.

You have no idea what it has or hasn't done...

Its deep strike capability are non existant because it is downed by ukrainian AD that consist in soviet tech from the 80s.

5th gen US stealth strike aircraft shot down by 60s Soviet tech ring any bells?

The sooner they replace it with su-57 bomber version the better.

There is no bomber version of the Su-57, it is fully multirole already.

The question is why VKS does not go deeper into the territory of Ukraine. If, for fear of air defense, it means that Russia still hasn't neutralized it after seven months of the war.

Why fly any aircraft deep into enemy territory and then have to fly all the way out when their cruise missiles and other standoff weapons only have to make the trip in one direction.

If Orc air defences are so amazing what is it with all the successful kills of targets deep inside Orc territory since day one?

Just to put things in the proper perspective: The last time NATO went up against an air defence network that had a smidge of the support they are giving Ukraine they lost 10k aircraft. People tend to forget that - they shouldn't.

Not to mention much more recently in Kosovo they outnumbered Serbia by an enormous amount in terms of military and defence budgets and fighter aircraft... no interference of their satellites or recon or C4ISTAR and they had 78 days of carte blanche to do as they pleased because they have full western media support... and how did they get on... the Serb Air Defence was as much a threat on day 78 as it was on day 1... they had a lot of ancient equipment that was not mobile at all, which explained their limited success rate in terms of kills, but their air defence network was largely intact despite the eye watering numbers of HARMs being fired...

HATO had aircraft dumping ordinance in designated areas because there was nothing for them to hit... western taxpayer money well spent... think of a number and triple it and then keep increasing that number till the other side says no and then throw in a set of steak knives and it is a deal... of course it is not corruption, but if you sign off on this deal we will give you a high paying cushy job after you retire from the military using your contacts to get us more contracts in the future...

To be clear in Desert Storm in the early 1990s the US had F-117s... stealth strike aircraft and they sent in cruise missiles and even Apache attack helicopters first to take down the biggest most powerful enemy radars to enable their stealthy F-117s to operate in Iraqi airspace... so to be fair (which you are not) penetrating enemy airspace is dangerous even for those with the most practise.

The West lost lots of Tornados trying to hit Iraqi airfields in that conflict too and Iraq didn't have any S-300s or BUKs...

As I mentioned in Kosovo with all their fancy toys and wild weasel assets and their HARMS and even stealth aircraft the west didn't wipe out the Serb air defences at all... did they even manage to hit any SAMs at all

And they refused to even fly below 8km altitude for fear of MANPADS so they didn't even manage what Russia is managing...

It will be funny to hear all the excuses when Russia reveals new air to air missiles for the new stealth platforms like S-70 and Su-57 with scramjet motors.

They cancelled the ramjet powered R-77 equivalent of Meteor and fast tracked the enhanced higher energy solid rocket motor model.

They are currently upgrading the Kh-31 to a scramjet model missile with higher speed and longer range... I would say a dedicated air to air version for anti AWACS and anti JSTARS and anti Inflight refuelling tanker and anti cargo plane use could be in the works...