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VVS Russian Airforce Force: News #2
mnztr- Posts : 2888
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We keep hearing about the MiG-41 as being a newer faster MiG-31, but they might be going more radical and it might be more of an SR-71 like platform with a much larger aircraft to allow internal weapons and a large internal weapon supply that is designed to fly very fast and be a Tu-22M3 sized aircraft...
It could also be the first reveal of the PAK DA, but equally there are lots of other things it might be that they have managed to keep secret.
They seem to be talking about something entering service which means the MiG-41 and PAK DA are less likely because it will take some time for testing.
Maybe they are talking about an airship that can operate at enormous altitudes rather than enormous speeds, that can carry heavy payloads over enormous ranges... but not very quickly.
Most airships move at a top speed of about 100km/h at best so they don't win any speed records, but their ability to carry very heavy weights of unusual shapes and sizes perhaps without disassembly, from where it is made to where it is needed without roads or rail lines, runways or ports... imagine building that arctic base using an airship to deliver 1,000 tons of equipment at a time direct from Russia...
Conversely you could have an airship operating over a battlefield at 30km or higher altitude with radar and IIR sensors and optical sensors monitoring things and being a communications repeater for units and even controlling drones of all types using line of sight communications that would be tricky to jam or interfere with.
If you made it big and flat topped like a flying wing you could have an landing strip on top for operating UAVs from, and of course its capacity to carry guided bombs with glide kits would be enormous... you could carry 20 tons of ordinance as ballast and operate for a month and as you spot targets you can hit them... as you use up your ballast you operate higher in the air and safer... when your ordinance ballast is used up you can run some of the hydrogen keeping you in the air through fuel cells to generate electricity and the byproduct will be water which you can capture as more ballast, so loss of lift from consumed hydrogen and added water ballast would compensate for the used ordinance.
Equally you could compress some hydrogen gas so it is not a lifting gas any more and you could use it as fuel for a gas turbine engine for electricity. Solar panels giving more energy into the system and of course burning compressed hydrogen will generate water ballast too which can be put through a fuel cell with electricity from the solar panels to release they hydrogen for more lift if you need more.
Solar panels are becoming more efficient and lighter all the time and batteries and gas turbines and electric motors are all improving too, plus fuel cell technology and composite materials and computing power etc etc... the age of the airship will return.
It could also be the first reveal of the PAK DA, but equally there are lots of other things it might be that they have managed to keep secret.
They seem to be talking about something entering service which means the MiG-41 and PAK DA are less likely because it will take some time for testing.
Maybe they are talking about an airship that can operate at enormous altitudes rather than enormous speeds, that can carry heavy payloads over enormous ranges... but not very quickly.
Most airships move at a top speed of about 100km/h at best so they don't win any speed records, but their ability to carry very heavy weights of unusual shapes and sizes perhaps without disassembly, from where it is made to where it is needed without roads or rail lines, runways or ports... imagine building that arctic base using an airship to deliver 1,000 tons of equipment at a time direct from Russia...
Conversely you could have an airship operating over a battlefield at 30km or higher altitude with radar and IIR sensors and optical sensors monitoring things and being a communications repeater for units and even controlling drones of all types using line of sight communications that would be tricky to jam or interfere with.
If you made it big and flat topped like a flying wing you could have an landing strip on top for operating UAVs from, and of course its capacity to carry guided bombs with glide kits would be enormous... you could carry 20 tons of ordinance as ballast and operate for a month and as you spot targets you can hit them... as you use up your ballast you operate higher in the air and safer... when your ordinance ballast is used up you can run some of the hydrogen keeping you in the air through fuel cells to generate electricity and the byproduct will be water which you can capture as more ballast, so loss of lift from consumed hydrogen and added water ballast would compensate for the used ordinance.
Equally you could compress some hydrogen gas so it is not a lifting gas any more and you could use it as fuel for a gas turbine engine for electricity. Solar panels giving more energy into the system and of course burning compressed hydrogen will generate water ballast too which can be put through a fuel cell with electricity from the solar panels to release they hydrogen for more lift if you need more.
Solar panels are becoming more efficient and lighter all the time and batteries and gas turbines and electric motors are all improving too, plus fuel cell technology and composite materials and computing power etc etc... the age of the airship will return.
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Long range aviation means the strategic bombers, so it is something quite puzzling.
AFAIK the DA also have tankers at its disposal but you have to consider how in (post-) Soviet Russia it is the mission performed that made the aviation (in its meaning of an organized troop of the VKS) and not the contrary.
So, it's the mission effectively performed that decide what aviation would actually manage a plane or a version of it.
As an example, you had some Mig-23 versions enlisted in the IA, some other versions in the IBA and others in the same PVO.
I would so bet on a version of an already existing plane modified to perform some mission pertaining to the DA.
The MiG-31 K or I versions? the Mya-55 (long range recon/battle management)? An Il-78/90? a long range drone?
Let's wait and see.
AFAIK the DA also have tankers at its disposal but you have to consider how in (post-) Soviet Russia it is the mission performed that made the aviation (in its meaning of an organized troop of the VKS) and not the contrary.
So, it's the mission effectively performed that decide what aviation would actually manage a plane or a version of it.
As an example, you had some Mig-23 versions enlisted in the IA, some other versions in the IBA and others in the same PVO.
I would so bet on a version of an already existing plane modified to perform some mission pertaining to the DA.
The MiG-31 K or I versions? the Mya-55 (long range recon/battle management)? An Il-78/90? a long range drone?
Let's wait and see.
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All the reports mention:
So I don't think it will be an upgraded or modified existing aircraft.
The last time they promised a new aircraft they showed the Su-75... so I am looking forward to this.
Not getting my hopes up too high...
“These will be completely new aircraft, based on new principles, with new aerodynamic and combat qualities,” he said.
So I don't think it will be an upgraded or modified existing aircraft.
The last time they promised a new aircraft they showed the Su-75... so I am looking forward to this.
Not getting my hopes up too high...
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marcellogo wrote:Long range aviation means the strategic bombers, so it is something quite puzzling
Not really puzzling at all. If it's strategic aviation it means it will be most likely be the PAK-DA's reveal.
The PAK-DP should not be part of long range aviation but I do expect a reveal quite soon as well.
The BIG question remains - will it be a "MiG-41" or will it be a "T-67"? Either way I'll be happy!
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Let's bet, so..
A-100
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A-100 is not brand new, though it is the most likely of the three to be going into serial production next year.
Maybe it is a PAK xx that is a new recon design for a long endurance AWACS/comms aircraft... perhaps airship based, perhaps drone (Sukhoi S-62) or maybe a new modification of the M-17/M-55 with all composite structure and new engines... perhaps still subsonic but using a ramjet when at altitude?
Something to look forward to.
Maybe it is a PAK xx that is a new recon design for a long endurance AWACS/comms aircraft... perhaps airship based, perhaps drone (Sukhoi S-62) or maybe a new modification of the M-17/M-55 with all composite structure and new engines... perhaps still subsonic but using a ramjet when at altitude?
Something to look forward to.
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And when is this supposedly mysterious plane supposed to be revealed?
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Arrow wrote:And when is this supposedly mysterious plane supposed to be revealed?
its also mystery
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Re: VVS Russian Airforce Force: News #2
During the SVO, Russian troops have set a number of records in the use of certain types of weapons over the past few months. For example, in August 2024, the Russian Armed Forces used 792 Geranium family attack drones against the enemy, and in September, 1,339 such UAVs (almost 45 units per day), beating the previous record.
Over the past September, the Russian Armed Forces used more Geraniums than in the first quarter of 2024 or in the whole of 2023. This is due to the fact that the manufacturing plant in Alabuga has increased production. In October-December 2024, the Russian Armed Forces are expected to receive about 4.7 thousand more Geraniums, which means that they will be able to use them in quantities of more than 50 units per day.
An equally impressive record is the use of various guided aerial bombs. According to Ukrainian statistics, in June 2024, the Russians used 2,305 such munitions, in July - 3,091, in August - 3,046, and in September a record 3,381 KAB (for most of the month, the daily use was 117 pieces). It can be assumed that there will be a new record in October.
Another record is the number of MLRS attacks. According to Ukrainian statistics, in September 2022, the Russian Armed Forces carried out strikes 81 times per day. In March 2024, 113 daily strikes were recorded, in August - 119, and in September a record 153 MLRS attacks per day. This indicates an increase in the production of the necessary ammunition.
https://topcor-ru.translate.goog/52175-vs-rf-pobili-tri-sobstvennyh-rekorda-po-primeneniju-sistem-vooruzhenij-v-svo.html?utm_source=warfiles.ru&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en
Over the past September, the Russian Armed Forces used more Geraniums than in the first quarter of 2024 or in the whole of 2023. This is due to the fact that the manufacturing plant in Alabuga has increased production. In October-December 2024, the Russian Armed Forces are expected to receive about 4.7 thousand more Geraniums, which means that they will be able to use them in quantities of more than 50 units per day.
An equally impressive record is the use of various guided aerial bombs. According to Ukrainian statistics, in June 2024, the Russians used 2,305 such munitions, in July - 3,091, in August - 3,046, and in September a record 3,381 KAB (for most of the month, the daily use was 117 pieces). It can be assumed that there will be a new record in October.
Another record is the number of MLRS attacks. According to Ukrainian statistics, in September 2022, the Russian Armed Forces carried out strikes 81 times per day. In March 2024, 113 daily strikes were recorded, in August - 119, and in September a record 153 MLRS attacks per day. This indicates an increase in the production of the necessary ammunition.
https://topcor-ru.translate.goog/52175-vs-rf-pobili-tri-sobstvennyh-rekorda-po-primeneniju-sistem-vooruzhenij-v-svo.html?utm_source=warfiles.ru&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en
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Re: VVS Russian Airforce Force: News #2
I would like to see the anti-aircraft defense numbers.... as no one in the world has produced so many of these types of systems.
franco wrote:During the SVO, Russian troops have set a number of records in the use of certain types of weapons over the past few months. For example, in August 2024, the Russian Armed Forces used 792 Geranium family attack drones against the enemy, and in September, 1,339 such UAVs (almost 45 units per day), beating the previous record.
Over the past September, the Russian Armed Forces used more Geraniums than in the first quarter of 2024 or in the whole of 2023. This is due to the fact that the manufacturing plant in Alabuga has increased production. In October-December 2024, the Russian Armed Forces are expected to receive about 4.7 thousand more Geraniums, which means that they will be able to use them in quantities of more than 50 units per day.
An equally impressive record is the use of various guided aerial bombs. According to Ukrainian statistics, in June 2024, the Russians used 2,305 such munitions, in July - 3,091, in August - 3,046, and in September a record 3,381 KAB (for most of the month, the daily use was 117 pieces). It can be assumed that there will be a new record in October.
Another record is the number of MLRS attacks. According to Ukrainian statistics, in September 2022, the Russian Armed Forces carried out strikes 81 times per day. In March 2024, 113 daily strikes were recorded, in August - 119, and in September a record 153 MLRS attacks per day. This indicates an increase in the production of the necessary ammunition.
https://topcor-ru.translate.goog/52175-vs-rf-pobili-tri-sobstvennyh-rekorda-po-primeneniju-sistem-vooruzhenij-v-svo.html?utm_source=warfiles.ru&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en
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Re: VVS Russian Airforce Force: News #2
Its been watching RuAF air shows
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This is all good but I think they should increase production numbers for the Su-57 and build an actual flying prototype of the Su-75 before venturing to another aircraft design. Also, accelerate development of unmanned wingman drones like the S-70 Okhonik and Grom