Darya Dugina, A.Dugin's daughter, killed by car bomb in Moscow

flamming_python wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:This assassination of Dugin's daughter is one of the reasons that I started to emotionally detach myself from Russia already a few years ago. It is not worth to tie myself emotionally into a something that brings nothing more than constant disappointment and feeling of anger and helplessness. If Russia -  a supposed nuclear superpower - cannot help itself then why should I care about what happens to Russia?

Russia is not a serious country. If Russia was a serious country this assassination would have never happened. They (Ukraine and the NATO) would not have dared to even try it.

Over the years Russia has shown that it never retaliates when attacked. The Ukraine/West knows that it can target Russians inside Russia (even in Moscow) with absolutely no fear of themselves being attacked.

I'm not asking Russia to be the aggressor, but it should retaliate when attacked. Lack of retaliation only invites more aggression.

Did I say Russia is not a serious country? Well, I'll say it again. According to this Russian citizens who get caught in Russia for sending money to Ukrainian military only get a warning: https://twitter.com/loursparle/status/1560578253659709442

If Russia was a serious country it would punish its citizens for helping the enemy during wartime. Eastern European countries imprisons their citizens who show public support for Russia.

But, this is not a war for the Kremlin but a "special military operation". How is that going? Isn't Ukraine still shelling downtown Donetsk after six months of war?

If Russia was a serious country it would have started the war with a massive bombing campaign of Kiev where all the important decision making centers would have been taken out in the first few hours. But instead we got this idiotic "polite war" where Russia sent it troops deep into enemy territory without air support to get slaughtered. It is true that Russia has learned from this and is not doing that anymore, but the fact that Russia thought that it would not face resistance in Ukraine is a further proof of the total incompetence of the Kremlin.

Russia is just too weak and not organized both internally and externally.

Fully expect Dugina's murder to go unpunished.

I really don't get this logic.

How many terrorist attacks happened in France, Britain, Germany, the US that killed people?

And by some pathetic terrorist cells with far less resources at their disposal

flamming_python wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:....

А ко ти каже да сам се вратио ?

Integrity ? I would not return to this forum if the site administrator blocked me. You did it, didn't you ?
I don't blame you for doing it, because you've been here a lot longer, but I wouldn't go back here.
I left because I don't like communists and infidels, and because this is a waste of time. Any talk about the glorification of the USSR drives me crazy, more than this conflict in Ukroshitstan.
What should I read messages from these crying Russians (some of them) on this forum ? They are neither at the front, nor are they listening to the sound of shells, and they are crying as if the Ukrainians have come to their doorstep.
In every Russian city, life goes on as normal, as well as construction, while they cry as if everything is falling apart. The Russians will play (war) moderately as long as their assessment is that it should be, it is obvious that they have patience, because when that patience runs out, then there will be no more pardons.
The Russians will wage war the way they wage war as long as their assessment is that it should be so and who am I or you (or any other member of forum) to judge that.
The majority here still fall for western propaganda, but that cannot last forever. The whole West is against Russia, but it's not worth it, the dogs are barking and Russia is moving on..

ArgentinaGuard wrote:

The Ukrainian dogs have just planned and carried out an attack (confirmed by the Kremlin) against the daughter of an intellectual in Moscow and you say that the projectiles are not heard?

mnztr wrote:
Has this been confirmed? It would not surprise me if this was actually done by the Russian govt. Its odd that he changed cars at the last minute as well.

caveat emptor wrote:

mnztr wrote:
Has this been confirmed? It would not surprise me if this was actually done by the Russian govt. Its odd that he changed cars at the last minute as well.

What would be the logic behind it?

mnztr wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

mnztr wrote:
Has this been confirmed? It would not surprise me if this was actually done by the Russian govt. Its odd that he changed cars at the last minute as well.

What would be the logic behind it?

He may have been challenging the Kremlins narrative or use the war to increase his influence. Has he said anything to cause friction with the power bases in Russia? Maybe he just refused to fall in line.

flamming_python wrote:


It's beyond question that the Ukrops did the hit, considering that their propagandists starting fabricating fake translations and citations out of this Daria girl.

They know they're guilty, hence they're already engaging in damage control

RWA wrote:Former Russian State Duma member Ilya Ponomarev, who fled Russia in 2014 due to criminal investigations (first to the US, then to Ukraine), claims on a Ukrainian propaganda channel aimed at Russians that "anti-Putin partisans" he's in contact with murdered Darya Dugina.

mnztr wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

mnztr wrote:
Has this been confirmed? It would not surprise me if this was actually done by the Russian govt. Its odd that he changed cars at the last minute as well.

What would be the logic behind it?

He may have been challenging the Kremlins narrative or use the war to increase his influence. Has he said anything to cause friction with the power bases in Russia? Maybe he just refused to fall in line.

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Ponomarev said on UA TV that it was the work of some Russian Azovite cell funded and aided by Kiev and that he had a degree of insight into the operation, so there you go. Other Kievan officials have denied involvement, but I mean, contradictory statements are the usual.

He may have been challenging the Kremlins narrative or use the war to increase his influence. Has he said anything to cause friction with the power bases in Russia? Maybe he just refused to fall in line.

flamming_python wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:The FSB says that:

"The main suspect is a Ukrainian citizen named Natalya Pavlovna Vovk, born in 1979.

She arrived in Russia on July 23rd together with her daughter, Sofiya Mikhailovna Shaban, born 2010 and rented an apartment close to Darya Dugina's residence. They followed the Dugins for almost a month, using a Mini Cooper on which they changed license plates three times.

The Dugins were booked for the "Traditsiya" festival in Sakharovo, Moscow Oblast, on Saturday, August 20th.

Vovk and Shaban shadowed the Dugins there, and as the festival began and the parking lot had emptied of people, they quickly planted a remotely triggered explosive device (400g TNT equivalent) underneath Dugina's car, right under the driver's position.

As the festival was being wrapped up hours later, they were waiting for the cars to exit the village of Sakharovo, out on the A100 road ("Mozhayskoye hwy") towards Moscow. As soon as the Dugin vehicle was spotted, the device was detonated, right after the car had turned in the intersection.  

Vovk and Shaban left the scene, and exited Russia via Pskov to Estonia the day after, August 21st.

Funds and materials and other support for the attack were provided by the Ukrainian security services."

So, that's the Russian version of events as it stands, I guess. This has some implications, not least the allegation that the suspects escaped directly to EU- and NATO-country Estonia, which I do not think will agree to any form of cooperation, even if it's about plain and simple terrorism (not particularly uncommon, several countries in the Baltic and Scandinavian region have harbored well-known terrorists from eg the Caucasus before).

Regarding the license plates, supposedly they entered Russia using LDNR plates, so in other words they were likely posing as refugees. Then their vehicle sported both Kazakh and Ukrainian plates according to the FSB, so it's not a wild guess that they used KZ plates while in Moscow, and UA plates when entering Estonia (again as "refugees"?)

Quite the plot.

Makes it sound as if her 12-year old daughter is an accomplice

Which clown wrote this story?

flamming_python wrote:

ALAMO wrote:That excludes the first claims about "accidental" mistake.
This girl has been targeted deliberately, and seems that in real she had much more valid connections than her father. She gave some lectures at Army 2022, and her psychological evaluations have been published in official military-related education papers for a long time.

On the contrary, it confirms it. Do me a favour ALAMO, don't take up a career as a PD  

John Mark Dougan mentions that from his info, Alexander Dugin elected to go home separately from Daria after the later wanted to make a stop on the way.

So it was just a fluke that Dugin was not in the car on the way back and decided to travel by other means

The killer could not have known this. As far as she knew, Dugin was in the car. The article mentions that this woman trailed the father and daughter traveling from their home to the festival; implying they arrived in the same car.