That is Russia's problem. Always trying to give things a chance with the West.
Good cooperation with the west could have been very good for Russia and the west and Russia had every reason to give it a go... it was the only way they could be certain the evil racist westerners were lying and out to steal and rob and lie.
They gave them the benefit of the doubt and the West was just the West...
It means Russia can look to the rest of the world with a clear conscience that they tried, but the west simply cannot be trusted.
Any 5th columnist has no grounds to blame Russia for anything at all... Putin tried for two decades to cooperate with the west to help Russia develop and it was all thrown in his face.
If the west wants a partnership in the future they are going to have to do all the work and offer up quite a few concessions or they wont even get in the door.
A very good position for Russia to be in now.
Russia needs a more radical hardline leader..
The west claims that is what Putin is to excuse their failures and abuse... Russia can now have a more hardline leader now who can say the west wants us dead lets have nothing more to do with them until they can grow up.
You cant keep hoping to do business with people who have hated you since the 1600s and invaded you many times in the past.
But they are doing business.... selling gas to the EU still and Japan, their relations with Turkey are probably better than some EU members have with Turkey.
This was a very foolish proposition by Russia to even think of selling MS21s to Western countries. It was never gonna work.
It is not a problem now, and I suspect they were thinking about the rest of the world countries already using western aircraft with the same engines and avionics systems where commonality might be appreciated.
1. They were never gonna get certified to fly in Western countries for no reason other than weeding out the competition just like what the US is doing to Huawei.
If the current conflict had not happened the west would have no choice but to pass Russian avionics and aircraft because if they were seen to be anti Russian then Russia could simply take action by banning the domestic use of western avionics, or overflights by aircraft that don't incorporate Russian systems like TACAN or collision avoidance equipment.
Or what the US is doing with CAATSA. Buy Russian weapons and we sanction you..
If they did that with civilian products there would be serious problems because that could not be called a national security situation.
So you are allowed to buy US weapons only.. Indonesia is a victim (Forced to buy 2nd hand F15s over brand new SU35s) and Egypt (Forced to not buy anything after the SU35 and Mig35 deal was crushed). India too but they flipped one in the USs face.
They only use it when they know they cannot win any other way, which means it is actually a sign of weakness. Countries will do what is in their interests... for many countries it does not matter greatly if their skies are patrolled by Su-35s or F-15s, but no country likes to be bullied and most victims of bullies resent it to the point where they can get revenge or stand up and say no more.
2. The anti-Russian sentiment in the West is so great people wouldnt agree to fly in anything that isnt a Boeing especially Americans. Europeans might give the MS21 a try but Americans are so anti-Russian they wouldnt.
That is hardly a problem for Russia. Let them enjoy their ignorance.
3. Boeing was gonna complain to US congress that Russian airplanes are selling in America and its disturbing their sales which is not very democratic..or some rubbish like that..
Yup. And they will also use the spying power of the NSA to win international contracts for aircraft sales. Boeing has an enormous advantage in sales because it often knows the offers of their competitors so they can structure and form their bids to appear more attractive, and then have the CIA mount a media campaign locally to push for the American offer to be accepted over other bids irrespective of their content. Hints of spyware or hidden costs, or safety issues are normal...
What Russia does it like eating out everyday for no reason other than that you can instead of cooking only for KFC to ban you from their stores and then you have start adjusting to life with home cooked food.
Buying things from other countries is not equivalent to death by fast food... It is more like Russia used to get KFC and McDs, and when those two companies closed during the very short period where a Russian entrepreneur gets them back up and running under a different logo you can have Chinese takeaways or Indian takeaways... and eventually the new Russian brands of chicken and burger places will be available again if there is demand.
But we are not talking about something as important as food... personal computers and cellphones are widely available from many countries including via parallel imports.
Russia can make things just as good as Western products so quality is not an excuse.
I agree, but it is like drones for decades Russia didn't have a lot of good drones, but they weren't really using them either... the cost of developing them from scratch to a decent level would be enormous. They took a few shortcuts by buying mature Israeli systems even if they weren't the latest generation, they were mature working systems that the Russians likely learned a great deal from. The point is that having an amazing aerospace industry didn't mean it took a week or a month to make state of the art drones... they are related but not the same so time and money and effort was needed, but fortunately for Russia the use by the west in Syria and now Ukraine of drones has really made them step up their game in terms of defence and offense in terms of drone use and also defending from drones too.
They don't need to be able to mass produce 7nm chips for laptops and phones, the uses they have for such things is rather limited.
Money isnt either because Russia is a massive microeconomy that can source 98% of all it needs locally..
That is true but spending 50 billion US dollars on something that will make zero profit is not a good use of resources. Conversely that money used to develop new generation battery technology or superconducting magnets or other high tech electronics that will be used in large volumes makes sense.
Making absolutely everything for yourself means enormous investments and a lot of areas where you are never going to make a profit or a difference.
Things like pharmacy is a good example... 70% of the drugs you need will be most of the drugs you need to produce and those drugs can be sold on the international market for good money too... perhaps another 20% of more unusual drugs you might develop because it is needed and no one else will sell to you or others so you can develop that yourself and sell to other countries also denied those drugs, but there is always going to be 5-10% of drugs that are super expensive and not widely needed so it is very hard to justify making them except commercially.
Then again if you can develop a drug that will cure cancer or baldness or various mental illnesses like Parkinson's or Alzheimers etc etc then that would effectively be a licence to print money.
The point is that no one makes all their own drugs either... no one is self sufficient in drugs.
Russia is different though. Money is not a problem when everything you need is priced in money you print.
Its resources are not infinite and should not be wasted on things they can buy off the shelf.
This is not about relying on one country... China makes things but so does South Korea and Singapore and Malaysia and Indonesia and India, and with BRICS the number of countries that have growing and developing economies are going to want to buy stuff from Russia but also sell stuff to them too.
Who is going to want one way trade? And think about the build up of funds that will create... India buying energy from Russia, Russia ending up with billions of Rupees that are sitting doing nothing... why not set up production for civilian ships for Russian companies or drone production for Russian civilian drones taking advantage of cheap mass labour and not just that, there would be other areas Russia could use Rupees in India... perhaps setting up a university that takes people in areas they are short of in Russia and teaches them the Russian language and further education in the area they need workers.
So the Western components surprise me.
Sounds like someone got a good payday... but fortunately western politicians are undoing all their work and it is sorting itself out...
After Russia used her own local industry to dampen sanctions, nobody cares about US sanctions anymore.
Well it is better than that, because western sanctions mean for example Russia can't buy German diesel engines for their ships, and they tried Chinese copies of German engines but they had problems so Russia is making its own diesels. They could always do that but it is more expensive and takes more time than just buying German engines or Chinese engines but they have been given no choice.
The point is that from a German diesel engine makers perspective they had solid contracts for sales to Russia for her ships and ongoing contracts no doubt to support them in operation for the lives of the ships, and now not only have they lost the sales and the support contracts but Russia is now making new engines to rival theirs based on new technology and they can probably make them cheaper than you can now your energy costs have tripled you are probably going out of business or moving production to Bangladesh, while Russia will be in the process of starting serial production of some new competition for your product.
It created delays and costs for Russia but it now increases their self sufficiency and they can use those diesels in pumping and power stations as well as military and civilian ships for domestic use and export.
The thing is, these African countries don't have what Russia most needs, which is technology. At best they can provide some resources which for whatever reason are hard to extract in Russia. The idea that Russia can invent everything itself is ridiculous. They have about the same population as Japan.
I disagree, they are not working in a vacuum and can learn from the work of others even just reading patent applications from various countries.
Africa has plenty of very smart people who have not had the opportunities that people in the west have had... not to mention central and south america and asia too... the potential is enormous and as they develop they have all the potential of the west and more.
I wouldn't know about that since I think in several cases the Soviet diesel technology lagged even back then. It started out with licensed Western engines. It's only gotten worse with modern electronic injection.
Yeah, the magical west... their technology is so damn amazing... it is why the war in the Ukraine only lasted a few months because of the advanced western technology and their amazing engines and computers etc.
The economics argument that it is cheaper to buy existing products than build your own
basically always wins when such products are available. You need a government to force domestic replacement. The Russian
government ended up doing enough to make this feasible now. So Putin was no Yeltsin.
The point I am trying to make is that Russia doesn't need to make absolutely everything, obviously critical things they should be self sufficient like energy and food and military material and ammo, but things like cell phones a variety and choice is good enough and imports will keep domestic makers on their toes too.
Only allowing Russian products will make Russian makers lazy.
It is not cheaper if you consider the all system.
Cheaper in the sense of being able to buy car seat covers off the shelf rather than having to develop them for yourself.
Often the solution is both... develop your own but until it is good enough use some imports from a third party.
Case in point thermal imagers... Russia traditionally used thermals from Belarus but they were not cheap and their performance left a lot to be desired.
Turns out buying them from Thales worked out not a lot more expensive so they got contracts to licence produce French thermals while they learned how to make them, obviously working with Thales upped their game, but they already had a lot of knowledge in the field of optics and electronics so once they got up to speed they could push the technology further and in other directions.
If they had just invested the money for themselves their thermals would not be as good as they are now.
Most of the western technology they buy they buy a licence to produce where possible.
Like when you get sanctioned. Russia found this out many times and is still in denial.. They still believe they can fix things with the West who isnt willing to fix things.
Actually if you listen to Putin and Lavrov it is pretty clear neither thinks western sanctions will end any time soon and the conflict in the Ukraine wont effect that either.
They seem to me to have largely decided that this split was the wests fault and if ties are to be restored they wont be taking the first step and the west will have to come up with some concessions and acts of faith if they want to restore relations to anything approaching what could be called normal.
Cheap gas is over for the EU because Russia now has new buyers who don't lecture or bully them.
The Su57 according to schedule supposed to be done by 2014-2017.
Whose schedule? Events change plans, that is normal, and any plan needs to be flexible. Maidan in 2014 effected relations and a lot of things so priorities changed.
Its still not done as we speak..
The first serial models are in service.
It is a 5th gen heavy fighter, not a new flavour ice cream.
They are not 15 year old internet experts, they are not interested in rushing things into service for pride or ego... look at the ridiculous mess that is the F-35 or Zumwalt or LCS class of ships. How about the replacement for the M16 or the Abrams or Bradley. Or the Apache helicopter or the M-109.
The Lithography machine project with RusNano started in 2014 and was supposed to be nearing completion in 2021.. But it ended for some reason and is now pushed back to 2028. At which point its going to get pushed back to 2035 probably. Why?
Have you ever managed a project? When you start a project you set goals and targets but things like Covid or conflicts with neighbours can change schedules and priorities. After developing a new system they might have realised another technology might be quicker or easier or cheaper or might just do a much better job... but with your mentality they should just finish what they started and end up with rubbish.
Russia is introducing a new 5th gen heavy fighter, something Europe couldn't achieve with its enormous financial muscle and all the amazing western technology we keep hearing about. Russia is introducing new vehicle families to overhaul their armour park to a whole new generation... no HATO country is even close to doing that... should I continue? Hypersonic ground launched missiles in service for 20 years that HATO air defence systems are unable to intercept and an air launched model they can't intercept either...
No delays happen everywhere but they are far more prevalent in Russia
Nothing to do with being the most sanction country in the world in history... the west had better relations with nazi germany than they currently have with Russia, delays would be normal, except apart from some promised dates you pulled from your arse you really have not been clear about what is being delayed.