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    MiG-31BM/Κ Interceptor/Attack aircraft: News #2

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    Post  Isos Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:52 pm

    Who cares about a modern r-27 ? They didn't make the r-27AE with a 140km range back then, why would they loose their time with ot now.

    All-in in the r-77M, r-37M and r-74.

    India made the error to not keep working on the ks-172 which would have been a beast and now they beg israelis for a dumb 100km range missile to face pakistani.
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    Post  franco Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:31 pm

    Nizhny Novgorod Aviation Plant Sokol of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), which is part of Rostec, has handed over a batch of refurbished and upgraded MiG-31 fighters to the Russian Defense Ministry. This was reported on July 31 in the press service of the UAC.

    "The work was carried out within the framework of the state defense order. The planes were sent to permanent airfields, " the corporation said.

    It is noted that the fighters have the same flight characteristics, while the batch has received broader functions.

    The MiG-31 is a two-seat supersonic high-altitude all-weather long-range fighter-interceptor. It is designed to intercept and destroy air targets at extremely low, medium and high altitudes.

    https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy_u/ru-en.en.70dcf6f9-64c77e0e-8795386a-74722d776562/https/iz.ru/1552010/2023-07-31/oak-peredala-minoborony-rf-partiiu-modernizirovannykh-mig-31

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    Post  AMCXXL Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:18 pm

    MiG-31BM in Anadyr:  https://vk.com/video-133441491_456271192?list=d9cf68cfd268d17588

    Nº23 & Nº31 RF-33798

    These two are the airplanes were previously in Yelizovo with the same tail numbers, now modernized

    In total Yelizovo has received at least 12 MiG-31BM and has one  squadron (despite lost Nº39 this year)


    Then the total number modernized are 151 or 152 (one Nº05 red is not clear if change the tail number)
    10 of them are lost, so 141 or 142 MiG-31BM in the ranks of VKS in 12 squadrons and also 3 MiG-31K squadrons

    There are still in reserve: 18 MiG-31 stored in Yelizovo, about 24 in Lipetsk and 5 in Kenevichi ARZ

    about other 20 MiG-31BM are necesary for a second squadron in Yelizovo and replace losses

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    Post  George1 Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:25 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:MiG-31BM in Anadyr:  https://vk.com/video-133441491_456271192?list=d9cf68cfd268d17588

    Nº23 & Nº31 RF-33798

    These two are the airplanes were previously in Yelizovo with the same tail numbers, now modernized

    In total Yelizovo has received at least 12 MiG-31BM and has one  squadron (despite lost Nº39 this year)


    Then the total number modernized are 151 or 152 (one Nº05 red is not clear if change the tail number)
    10 of them are lost, so 141 or 142 MiG-31BM in the ranks of VKS in 12 squadrons and also 3 MiG-31K squadrons

    There are still in reserve: 18 MiG-31 stored in Yelizovo, about 24 in Lipetsk and 5 in Kenevichi ARZ

    about other 20 MiG-31BM are necesary for a second squadron in Yelizovo and replace losses

    2 questions:
    - All MiG-31B are stored?
    - How many MiG-31Ks are in service?
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    Post  franco Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:23 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:MiG-31BM in Anadyr:  https://vk.com/video-133441491_456271192?list=d9cf68cfd268d17588

    Nº23 & Nº31 RF-33798

    These two are the airplanes were previously in Yelizovo with the same tail numbers, now modernized

    In total Yelizovo has received at least 12 MiG-31BM and has one  squadron (despite lost Nº39 this year)

    Then the total number modernized are 151 or 152 (one Nº05 red is not clear if change the tail number)
    10 of them are lost, so 141 or 142 MiG-31BM in the ranks of VKS in 12 squadrons and also 3 MiG-31K squadrons

    There are still in reserve: 18 MiG-31 stored in Yelizovo, about 24 in Lipetsk and 5 in Kenevichi ARZ

    about other 20 MiG-31BM are necesary for a second squadron in Yelizovo and replace losses


    What is at Rzhev and are the aircraft in Kazakhstan of any use?
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    Post  AMCXXL Wed Sep 20, 2023 2:25 am

    George1 wrote:

    2 questions:
    - All MiG-31B are stored?
    - How many MiG-31Ks are in service?

    the MiG-31B with probe were modernized to MiG-31BM type 28 in 2008-2013, about 46, prototypes excluded, out of 54 receivef fron USSR. Not probably more avaliable

    since 2014 only have been modernized MiG-31 to MiG-31BM type 58/78


    about MiG-31K there are 3 squadrons (up to 36), 2 of then probably completed, the third I cannot say
    - Fisrt sequdron had numbers 88 to 99 red in Akhtunisk, however nº92 was lost in Soltsy
    - Second squadron in Savaslayka has known numbers from Nº30 to Nº39 blue. The squadron was probably completed in 2022
    - Third squadron, supposedly in Savasleyka, for the moment I only know Nº50 and Nº51 RF-95194, but probably will be completed this year or in 2024 as late

    As I said the number of MiG-31DZ received was about 45-46 so you only can get 3 squadrons that is just one regiment with 36
    In the best case you can get about 40 and have several in reserve to replace losses

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    franco wrote:

    What is at Rzhev and are the aircraft in Kazakhstan of any use?

    Forget Rzhev, the useful airplanes, mainly MiG-31DZ was taken from here time ago
    You can find several MiG-25 and several MiG-31 , probably for spares and the rest for scrap.

    The useful reserve is in Lipetsk for the west and in Kenevichi for the East.
    The MiG-31 remaining in Yelizovo probably are for a second squadron in Yelizovo and the rest probably will be sent to Knevichi or Lipetsk


    About Kazakhstan there are 27 in Karaganda and 10 in Semipalatinsk or whatever is called now
    Is a good ammount that allow one more regiment and some reserves, but I doubt Kazakhstan will sell or change them for other thing , at least while the war in Ukraine.

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    Post  AMCXXL Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:57 am

    Comrade Kim in Knevichi with one MiG-31K Nº43  

    If all the numbers are included from Nº30 to Nº51, this are 22 and other 12 in red tail number, total 34 for the moment, one of them lost

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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 21, 2023 11:59 am

    Who cares about a modern r-27 ? They didn't make the r-27AE with a 140km range back then, why would they loose their time with ot now.

    There is nothing fundamentally wrong with the R-27, its old electronics can be upgraded to modern digital electronics and its performance can be dramatically improved.

    In terms of aerodynamics those big butterfly shaped wing enabled the missile to perform turns without bleeding speed like a small triangular wing like those fitted to the western equivalent Sparrow missile does, meaning it turns rather well and is a reasonable missile.

    Keep in mind that the US Navy upgraded their Sparrow missiles and still use them as the ESSM missile... renamed so you forget it is ancient... you would think they would drop it and not lose time with it and just make a surface launched AMRAAM, but they didn't.

    There are dozens and dozens of different R-27 variants from normal R-27 to long burn R-27E missiles and IR and SARH and ARH as well as passive radar homing models. There are models for new planes and models for old planes. There are special models for carrier aircraft intended to be operated over the sea.

    It is a very interesting system that has good potential for upgrades and improvements... the E models have rather more space for rocket fuel but new rocket fuels would boost performance rather more for a large weapon with so much fuel on board than it might for a smaller more modern missile like R-77.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:46 pm

    The biggest pro for the whole R-27 family is a fact how modular it is.
    It was made this way just from the beginning, so one can improve its characteristics just by changing a module or a section of the missile.
    All the passive versions would be perfect for short-range AD systems just as they are...

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    Post  AMCXXL Mon Oct 23, 2023 7:15 pm

    MiG-31 in Belaya, probably the third squadron of MiG-31K based in the east direction
    While Akhtubinsk is in the South direction and Savasleyka are the main base for West and North direction



    MiG-31BM from Monchegorsk in Belbek

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    Post  franco Sun Oct 29, 2023 2:54 pm

    Recently, 117 (conditionally) Soviet-made aircraft were put up for sale in Kazakhstan. The seller was the RSE "Kazarnaulyexport" (Kazspetsexport) and the first auction was supposed to take place on October 26, but it did not take place. The starting price for everything was about 3.85 million US dollars or 1.8 billion Kazakhstani tenge.

    All aircraft are in storage, but in unfit for flight condition. Moreover, their condition is so bad that restoration was considered impractical due to the high cost. Moreover, as stated, many aircraft are not even suitable for aircraft cannibalism, that is, they cannot become donors for other aircraft. At the same time, the Ministry of Industry and Infrastructure Development of Kazakhstan ordered that these aircraft must be disposed of on the territory of the military units where they are located, i.e. they cannot leave Kazakh territory.

    81 aircraft from 1975-1989 are now in a military unit in the village of Zhetigen in the Almaty region (lot value is 1.02 billion tenge). In addition, 11 aircraft for 230.5 million tenge are located in a military unit in the Karaganda region, 10 aircraft for 358.3 million in Semey and 15 aircraft for 194.8 million in Shymkent (602nd air base). Among those put up for sale are: MiG-27 fighter-bombers, MiG-29 fighters, MiG-31 fighter-interceptors (in B/BSM/DZ variants), Su-24MR bombers, as well as Su-24 gliders without engines and avionics .

    It should be added that on November 11 they want to hold a re-tender and will put everything up for auction again, but at half the price of the original. Probably, the Russian Aerospace Forces could use these MiG-31s, so it would not be bad if Russian technical specialists went to Kazakhstan and inspected (studied) them. Such aircraft are no longer produced, but there is a demand for them. At the same time, their airframe is very durable and has a large margin of safety (50% is made of stainless steel, 16% of titanium, the rest is aircraft-grade aluminum). Thus, they could be upgraded to BM or I versions - carriers of hypersonic "Daggers".

    However, on October 19, Kazakhstan banned the export of high-tech goods to Russia. But in this case, it is not yet clear whether the purchase of aircraft in an unfit for flight condition falls under this restriction (you need to look at the list of goods) and whether the sanction contradicts the agreement (treaty) on military-technical cooperation between countries.

    https://topcor-ru.translate.goog/40781-vks-rossii-prigodilis-by-vystavlennye-na-prodazhu-kazahstanskie-mig-31.html?utm_source=topwar.ru&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

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    Post  Arrow Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:27 pm

    Why do they need MiG 31s from Kazakhstan when Russia itself has hundreds of them in stock?  How will there be a need to modernize further airframes?

    They produced a total of over 500 MiG 31. Shocked
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    Post  Scorpius Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:03 am

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    This photo is one of the available in open sources, showing the level of alteration in the process of upgrading the MiG-31 to the level of the MiG-31BM.
    Do you really think that this piece of metal is some kind of lost technology in Russia? The absence of new-built MiG-31 gliders is currently due only to the fact that there is a sufficient supply of old hulls that are far from developing their flight life. If necessary, the production of cases can be resumed.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:45 am

    I guess it comes down to what the MiG-41 looks like and how radically different it really is... if it is a bigger aircraft with internal weapon space for a large number of large missiles then it might be an SR-71 sized aircraft... a Tu-22M3 sized aircraft, which might mean it is rather expensive so something like a missile truck aircraft like a Tu-22M3M loaded up with large numbers of AAMs carried internally that can fly long distances at transsonic speeds might be some sort of compliment.

    The Tu-128 was what the MiG-25 essentially replaced, but imagine instead of a Tu-22M3 going at mach 2 they went for a super cruising Tu-22M3 that flew at mach 1.7 in dry thrust that could fly to an 8,000km flight range (4,000km radius) with a heavy load of Air to Air missiles... do you buy new MIG-41s and scrap the MiG-31s and use a Tu-128 replacement... where you have the MiG-41 sprinters and the Tu-22M3M for airspace coverage with huge radar antenna and lots of AAMs.

    You could use this Tu-22m3m for defending your airspace but could equally fly it with strike bombers on conventional attacks to protect your other bombers (PAK DA) from enemy fighters and aircraft...

    MIG-31s are good interceptors in a range of different roles, but Russia has enormous borders and lots of territory to cover so slightly slower aircraft with enormous airborne radar and lots of missiles like an AA armed Tu-22M3M might be a good way of covering large areas in the far north and the far east with an aircaft that is going to become redundant when the PAK DA enters service.

    The introduction of the MiG-41 and PAK DA is going to free up MiG-31s and Tu-22M3Ms and Tu-95s, and the problem with large numbers of enemy drones is always going to be a problem that air platforms can help dealing with.

    Bears have enormous endurance and being subsonic you can hang lots of weapons under the wings without effecting performance too much.

    MiG-31s remain useful for interception.

    Tu-22M3M has enormous room for a big AESA radar and plenty of internal space and belly space for AAMs to be carried in bulk... and a super cruising Tu-22M3M would be a formidable aircraft... give it the new upgraded engines the Tu-160M2 is getting for best performance.

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    Post  AMCXXL Tue Oct 31, 2023 12:59 am

    franco wrote:Recently, 117 (conditionally) Soviet-made aircraft were put up for sale in Kazakhstan. The seller was the RSE "Kazarnaulyexport" (Kazspetsexport) and the first auction was supposed to take place on October 26, but it did not take place. The starting price for everything was about 3.85 million US dollars or 1.8 billion Kazakhstani tenge.

    All aircraft are in storage, but in unfit for flight condition. Moreover, their condition is so bad that restoration was considered impractical due to the high cost. Moreover, as stated, many aircraft are not even suitable for aircraft cannibalism, that is, they cannot become donors for other aircraft. At the same time, the Ministry of Industry and Infrastructure Development of Kazakhstan ordered that these aircraft must be disposed of on the territory of the military units where they are located, i.e. they cannot leave Kazakh territory.

    81 aircraft from 1975-1989 are now in a military unit in the village of Zhetigen in the Almaty region (lot value is 1.02 billion tenge). In addition, 11 aircraft for 230.5 million tenge are located in a military unit in the Karaganda region, 10 aircraft for 358.3 million in Semey and 15 aircraft for 194.8 million in Shymkent (602nd air base). Among those put up for sale are: MiG-27 fighter-bombers, MiG-29 fighters, MiG-31 fighter-interceptors (in B/BSM/DZ variants), Su-24MR bombers, as well as Su-24 gliders without engines and avionics .

    It should be added that on November 11 they want to hold a re-tender and will put everything up for auction again, but at half the price of the original. Probably, the Russian Aerospace Forces could use these MiG-31s, so it would not be bad if Russian technical specialists went to Kazakhstan and inspected (studied) them. Such aircraft are no longer produced, but there is a demand for them. At the same time, their airframe is very durable and has a large margin of safety (50% is made of stainless steel, 16% of titanium, the rest is aircraft-grade aluminum). Thus, they could be upgraded to BM or I versions - carriers of hypersonic "Daggers".

    However, on October 19, Kazakhstan banned the export of high-tech goods to Russia. But in this case, it is not yet clear whether the purchase of aircraft in an unfit for flight condition falls under this restriction (you need to look at the list of goods) and whether the sanction contradicts the agreement (treaty) on military-technical cooperation between countries.

    https://topcor-ru.translate.goog/40781-vks-rossii-prigodilis-by-vystavlennye-na-prodazhu-kazahstanskie-mig-31.html?utm_source=topwar.ru&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

    I don't think those MiG-31 planes are useful.
    Kazakhstan received 28 MiG-31 of the original version in 1985-86, they are among the oldest
    Later received 15 MiG-31Bs for a second regiment in 1991 when the USSR ended. The hull of these planes would be useful.

    The 10 MiG-31s that are in Semipalatinsk (Semey) have been there for decades without use and are probably cannibalized, I don't think they are useful at all

    Of the 27 planes stored in Karaganda, only 11 are being auctioned, which are probably not very useful either.
    It is likely that the most useful are the 16 that are not up for auction yet, Russia should exchange these to Kazakhstan for some of the military technology it receives from Russia,


    Arrow wrote:Why do they need MiG 31s from Kazakhstan when Russia itself has hundreds of them in stock?  How will there be a need to modernize further airframes?

    They produced a total of over 500 MiG 31. Shocked

    Most of the MiG-31s have already been dismantled after reaching the end of their useful life or being scrapped for spare parts.
    To prolong the years of service of a fleet you have to first use a part reserving another part and also cannibalize the planes to keep others active.

    Currently there will be about 140-150 MiG-31BM, about 35 MiG-31K and about 40-50 still in reserve.


    This is the Sormovo airfield, attached to the MiG plant in Nizhny Novgorod last summer
    More than a dozen MiG-31 airframes are seen, of which they are being modernized to MiG-31BM or MiG31K, which will be received this year, for example in Yelizovo or those that have been seen in satellite images in Balaya
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    Post  GarryB Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:13 am

    Bare in mind of course that they put the engines back into production didn't they... so engine wise they should be all good...

    If they use ramjets for primary propulsion at speed and altitude on the MiG-41 then the current engines might even be good enough for takeoff and landing, but of course it all depends on the design.

    They might find the upgraded engine of the Tu-160M could be used to take off and get airborne and climb and that two ramjet engines flanking the single engine be used for supersonic cruise... AFAIK the NK-31 has a dry thrust of about 15 tons, with that increasing to 25 tons in full AB... the improved upgraded model used on the new White Swans might be powerful enough and fuel efficient enough to be used in a single mount and essentially only be used for takeoff and landing where reliability is more important than raw power and fuel efficiency.

    Maybe they put the MiG-31s engines back into production with the plan to use them as the takeoff and landing engines for the new MiG-41, where ramjets are used to climb and accelerate to high speed.

    For such a role you don't need fuel efficiency... just reliability.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Oct 31, 2023 7:02 am

    I can't imagine the MiG-41 carrying a pair of D30-F6 just for take-off and landing as the weight penalty when airborne would be prohibitive. IMHO its more likely that the MiG-41 will feature a variable-cycle engine.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:10 am

    The weight would still be there, it is just a question of how often the engine gets used in flight.
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    Post  lancelot Tue Oct 31, 2023 12:50 pm

    The D-30F6 has 93 kN dry thrust and 152 kN wet thrust. The Izdeliye 30 is expected to have 108 kN dry thrust and 167 kN wet thrust.
    The Izdeliye 30 is also a much newer engine operating at higher temperature so should be more fuel efficient.

    So it makes no sense to use the D-30F6 on a MiG-31 successor. It will likely use a modified Izdeliye 30 with either variable cycle or some other engine modification so it can hit high Mach 3+ speeds. It might use pre-compressor cooling, a variable stator compressor, or compressor bleed bypass.

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    Post  Arrow Tue Oct 31, 2023 12:55 pm

    likely use a modified Izdeliye 30 with either variable cycle wrote:

    Apparently the Izd 30 for the T-50 already has a variable cycle? Such information appears sometimes.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Nov 01, 2023 7:03 am

    The D-30F6 has 93 kN dry thrust and 152 kN wet thrust. The Izdeliye 30 is expected to have 108 kN dry thrust and 167 kN wet thrust.

    It is not an issue of power, the MiG-31 isn't any faster than the MiG-25 and the MiG-25 had 11 ton thrust engines compared with the 15 ton thrust engines of the MiG-31.

    These engines don't operate at the speeds required for the MiG-41 so their power is irrelevant.

    It all depends on what propulsion they expect for the aircraft when operating at top speed, the D-30F6 already could get the aircraft to speed and altitude where a ramjet could take over and accelerate the aircraft to mach 4.2 easily enough.

    The Izdeliye 30 is also a much newer engine operating at higher temperature so should be more fuel efficient.

    D-30F6 is already in production and is reliable and available and probably rather a lot cheaper than any new engine.

    Making a variable cycle jet engine that allows the aircraft it is attached to to fly at Mach 4.2 makes sense if you want all your aircraft to be able to fly that fast for that long.

    But there is no reason for Su-75 or Su-57 to ever fly that fast so we are just talking about engines for the MiG-41 only and it doesn't make a lot of sense to develop the new engine for the Su-57 to also be used in the MiG-41.

    It didn't make sense before so the MiG-31 had the D-30F6 and the Su-27 had the Al-31, and it does not make sense now.

    As a pure interceptor the MiG-41 will spend most of its time at supersonic speed, which is not something most fighters do because you don't just flick a switch and you are going mach 2... it takes several minutes of climbing and then flying level and straight to get to supersonic speeds and it burns a lot of fuel in the process... and once you get there you keep burning fuel maintaining that speed.... it massively reduces your flight range and endurance when you do it so you only do it for very specific reasons like getting to an interception point a rapidly as possible.

    Engine commonality is nice but it has to make sense... plus we are talking about Saturn trying to dominate the market which is also a bad thing in the same way that Klimov dominating the market would be a bad thing too.

    You saw a marketing brochure from Saturn claiming their new engine can do everything... we have seen a page from Yakovlev showing a dozen different variants of the Yak-130 including fighter and drone and ground attack aircraft... you will notice only the LIFT was ever actually bought by the Russian Air Force.

    We have seen Saturns proposal to use their engine in the MiG-41 and the fact that we have seen that suggests it has not been chosen for the job because otherwise that information would be secret.

    This is just a case of you lose so you can advertise to the rest of the world for other customers who might fund your development... it was the same with the Mi-28A helicopter and the MiG-AT, and the Su-75 Checkmate.

    Sometimes of course the foreign customer chooses an inservice item to co develop like India with the Su-30M version Su-30MKI and the Yakhont variation, Brahmos.

    The AK-203 is also in production in India now too.

    What I am saying is that the Soviets and Russians have a habit of having a competition for programmes and that the loser gets to peddle their wares to foreign customers while the winner remains secret and government funded.


    Apparently the Izd 30 for the T-50 already has a variable cycle? Such information appears sometimes.

    If it has then that is only to allow supercruising at higher speeds, because the Su-57 is not really a great shape for very high speed flight.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Nov 02, 2023 12:46 am

    https://www.flugrevue.de/militaer/sowjet-fighter-im-ausverkauf-wollen-sie-kasachische-mig-31-haben/

    Do you want to have some Kazakh MiG-31?
    The Kazakh Air Force clears its camp – and puts 117 old Soviet fighter jets in the shop window. Even some MiG-31s can be found underneath. And they are really cheap. However, there are several hooks.

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    10/31/2023

    The package that the Kazakhs put together has it all – at least on paper. Because the air force of the ex-Soviet republic empties its fighter jet depots, separates from various contaminated sites, and that brings out real treasures of the past. Sukhoi Su-24, Mikojan-Gurewitsch MiG-27, MiG-29 and to top it all off a few MiG-31: Soundful names can be found on the list of the state collecting society Kaspex. A total of 117 aircraft that Kazakhstan wants to get rid of were built and delivered between 1975 and 1989.

    Appointment in November

    The Soviet fighters are to be sold as part of an auction – offered in several packages. 81 aircraft are said to be stored at a military base in the city of Schetigen ( Almaty region ), 15 in Schymkent, ten in Semei and eleven other jets in the Karaganda region. Karaganda has always been home to all 31 Kazakh MiG-31s, which is why it is obvious that the last eleven are the said interceptors. A first auction date was for the 26th. October was scheduled, but was blown off. Now Kaspex has for the 11th. November apparently a new attempt scheduled.

    The flip side of the coin

    The Kazakhs called for a total of 1.8 billion Kazakh tenge for all 117 aircraft. According to the current exchange rate, this is just under 3.6 million euros –, of which less than a third falls on the MiG-31 tranche, according to media reports. Bargains! Especially the starting price for the new appointment according to the Russian portal reporter was halved again.

    But before you wag the checkbook totally euphorically: this is only part of the story, the beautiful one. The other part sounds much less beautiful – writes the KazTAG news agency but with reference to the auctioneer that the majority of the jets offered are so pitiful that it is no longer even suitable for slaughter. In general, the evaluated objects are "in an unusable state due to aging, modernization does not make economic sense", summarizes KazTAG.

    Just scrap – or what?

    The auction is therefore subject to the Kazakh government's stipulation that the aircraft must all be dismantled by the buyer on site for removal. In good German: The fighters offered are basically just a bunch of scrap metal –, at least for the majority. On the other hand, at least in Russian circles, the MiG-31 cell because of their high titanium content as almost indestructible. Some media therefore speculate that the condition of the MiG-31 offered may not be so bad – and that the Russian army may be interested in the machines. After all, the Kazakh MiG-31 are among the last to be completed before the fall of the USSR.

    Trapstick for Russia
    The ( supposed ) Russian interest could be one Kazakh government decision from 19th. October, which prohibited the export of over 100 goods to Russia that can be used for military purposes. The ban includes drones and various electronic components in particular. To what extent this also includes halted fighter jets that were once manufactured in Russia is unclear. But before you take your chance again: only legal entities are allowed at the auction on 11. November

    Actually those mig 31 could be quite useful for Russia, considering that Russia is now producing new mig31 engines as well (and they could modify them to carry kinzhal without touching russian own mig31 to be used as interceptors

    I am not sure about the rest of the equipment, but would Kazakhstan be allowed to sell mig31 to any other country than Russia?
    As far as the su-24 and mig29, I hope they do not end up in Ukrainians' hands

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    Post  Broski Thu Nov 02, 2023 12:59 am

    I am not sure about the rest of the equipment, but would Kazakhstan be allowed to sell mig31 to any other country than Russia?
    As far as the su-24 and mig29, I hope they do not end up in Ukrainians' hands
    After the SMO in the Ukraine is finished, Kazakhstan needs to be next on the chopping block. Jesus Christ their leadership are complete f*cking trash.

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    Post  Isos Thu Nov 02, 2023 1:39 pm

    They can't export them without Migs approval.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Nov 02, 2023 3:49 pm

    Isos wrote:They can't export them without Migs approval.

    Well in the 90s America was able to get several brand new mig29s from Moldavia in order to study them (and I am talking about the Soviet version (the same one used in Russia), not the export version.

    Of course Russia now is not Russia of the 90s and Kazakhstan will create more problem for itself if they do something like that, but if someone as corrupt as pashinyan (Armenian prime minister) should be in power there..

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