All-in in the r-77M, r-37M and r-74.
India made the error to not keep working on the ks-172 which would have been a beast and now they beg israelis for a dumb 100km range missile to face pakistani.
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AMCXXL wrote:MiG-31BM in Anadyr: https://vk.com/video-133441491_456271192?list=d9cf68cfd268d17588
Nº23 & Nº31 RF-33798
These two are the airplanes were previously in Yelizovo with the same tail numbers, now modernized
In total Yelizovo has received at least 12 MiG-31BM and has one squadron (despite lost Nº39 this year)
Then the total number modernized are 151 or 152 (one Nº05 red is not clear if change the tail number)
10 of them are lost, so 141 or 142 MiG-31BM in the ranks of VKS in 12 squadrons and also 3 MiG-31K squadrons
There are still in reserve: 18 MiG-31 stored in Yelizovo, about 24 in Lipetsk and 5 in Kenevichi ARZ
about other 20 MiG-31BM are necesary for a second squadron in Yelizovo and replace losses
AMCXXL wrote:MiG-31BM in Anadyr: https://vk.com/video-133441491_456271192?list=d9cf68cfd268d17588
Nº23 & Nº31 RF-33798
These two are the airplanes were previously in Yelizovo with the same tail numbers, now modernized
In total Yelizovo has received at least 12 MiG-31BM and has one squadron (despite lost Nº39 this year)
Then the total number modernized are 151 or 152 (one Nº05 red is not clear if change the tail number)
10 of them are lost, so 141 or 142 MiG-31BM in the ranks of VKS in 12 squadrons and also 3 MiG-31K squadrons
There are still in reserve: 18 MiG-31 stored in Yelizovo, about 24 in Lipetsk and 5 in Kenevichi ARZ
about other 20 MiG-31BM are necesary for a second squadron in Yelizovo and replace losses
George1 wrote:
2 questions:
- All MiG-31B are stored?
- How many MiG-31Ks are in service?
franco wrote:
What is at Rzhev and are the aircraft in Kazakhstan of any use?
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Who cares about a modern r-27 ? They didn't make the r-27AE with a 140km range back then, why would they loose their time with ot now.
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franco wrote:Recently, 117 (conditionally) Soviet-made aircraft were put up for sale in Kazakhstan. The seller was the RSE "Kazarnaulyexport" (Kazspetsexport) and the first auction was supposed to take place on October 26, but it did not take place. The starting price for everything was about 3.85 million US dollars or 1.8 billion Kazakhstani tenge.
All aircraft are in storage, but in unfit for flight condition. Moreover, their condition is so bad that restoration was considered impractical due to the high cost. Moreover, as stated, many aircraft are not even suitable for aircraft cannibalism, that is, they cannot become donors for other aircraft. At the same time, the Ministry of Industry and Infrastructure Development of Kazakhstan ordered that these aircraft must be disposed of on the territory of the military units where they are located, i.e. they cannot leave Kazakh territory.
81 aircraft from 1975-1989 are now in a military unit in the village of Zhetigen in the Almaty region (lot value is 1.02 billion tenge). In addition, 11 aircraft for 230.5 million tenge are located in a military unit in the Karaganda region, 10 aircraft for 358.3 million in Semey and 15 aircraft for 194.8 million in Shymkent (602nd air base). Among those put up for sale are: MiG-27 fighter-bombers, MiG-29 fighters, MiG-31 fighter-interceptors (in B/BSM/DZ variants), Su-24MR bombers, as well as Su-24 gliders without engines and avionics .
It should be added that on November 11 they want to hold a re-tender and will put everything up for auction again, but at half the price of the original. Probably, the Russian Aerospace Forces could use these MiG-31s, so it would not be bad if Russian technical specialists went to Kazakhstan and inspected (studied) them. Such aircraft are no longer produced, but there is a demand for them. At the same time, their airframe is very durable and has a large margin of safety (50% is made of stainless steel, 16% of titanium, the rest is aircraft-grade aluminum). Thus, they could be upgraded to BM or I versions - carriers of hypersonic "Daggers".
However, on October 19, Kazakhstan banned the export of high-tech goods to Russia. But in this case, it is not yet clear whether the purchase of aircraft in an unfit for flight condition falls under this restriction (you need to look at the list of goods) and whether the sanction contradicts the agreement (treaty) on military-technical cooperation between countries.
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Arrow wrote:Why do they need MiG 31s from Kazakhstan when Russia itself has hundreds of them in stock? How will there be a need to modernize further airframes?
They produced a total of over 500 MiG 31.
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likely use a modified Izdeliye 30 with either variable cycle wrote:
The D-30F6 has 93 kN dry thrust and 152 kN wet thrust. The Izdeliye 30 is expected to have 108 kN dry thrust and 167 kN wet thrust.
The Izdeliye 30 is also a much newer engine operating at higher temperature so should be more fuel efficient.
Apparently the Izd 30 for the T-50 already has a variable cycle? Such information appears sometimes.
Do you want to have some Kazakh MiG-31?
The Kazakh Air Force clears its camp – and puts 117 old Soviet fighter jets in the shop window. Even some MiG-31s can be found underneath. And they are really cheap. However, there are several hooks.
Patrick dwarf
10/31/2023
The package that the Kazakhs put together has it all – at least on paper. Because the air force of the ex-Soviet republic empties its fighter jet depots, separates from various contaminated sites, and that brings out real treasures of the past. Sukhoi Su-24, Mikojan-Gurewitsch MiG-27, MiG-29 and to top it all off a few MiG-31: Soundful names can be found on the list of the state collecting society Kaspex. A total of 117 aircraft that Kazakhstan wants to get rid of were built and delivered between 1975 and 1989.
Appointment in November
The Soviet fighters are to be sold as part of an auction – offered in several packages. 81 aircraft are said to be stored at a military base in the city of Schetigen ( Almaty region ), 15 in Schymkent, ten in Semei and eleven other jets in the Karaganda region. Karaganda has always been home to all 31 Kazakh MiG-31s, which is why it is obvious that the last eleven are the said interceptors. A first auction date was for the 26th. October was scheduled, but was blown off. Now Kaspex has for the 11th. November apparently a new attempt scheduled.
The flip side of the coin
The Kazakhs called for a total of 1.8 billion Kazakh tenge for all 117 aircraft. According to the current exchange rate, this is just under 3.6 million euros –, of which less than a third falls on the MiG-31 tranche, according to media reports. Bargains! Especially the starting price for the new appointment according to the Russian portal reporter was halved again.
But before you wag the checkbook totally euphorically: this is only part of the story, the beautiful one. The other part sounds much less beautiful – writes the KazTAG news agency but with reference to the auctioneer that the majority of the jets offered are so pitiful that it is no longer even suitable for slaughter. In general, the evaluated objects are "in an unusable state due to aging, modernization does not make economic sense", summarizes KazTAG.
Just scrap – or what?
The auction is therefore subject to the Kazakh government's stipulation that the aircraft must all be dismantled by the buyer on site for removal. In good German: The fighters offered are basically just a bunch of scrap metal –, at least for the majority. On the other hand, at least in Russian circles, the MiG-31 cell because of their high titanium content as almost indestructible. Some media therefore speculate that the condition of the MiG-31 offered may not be so bad – and that the Russian army may be interested in the machines. After all, the Kazakh MiG-31 are among the last to be completed before the fall of the USSR.
Trapstick for Russia
The ( supposed ) Russian interest could be one Kazakh government decision from 19th. October, which prohibited the export of over 100 goods to Russia that can be used for military purposes. The ban includes drones and various electronic components in particular. To what extent this also includes halted fighter jets that were once manufactured in Russia is unclear. But before you take your chance again: only legal entities are allowed at the auction on 11. November
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After the SMO in the Ukraine is finished, Kazakhstan needs to be next on the chopping block. Jesus Christ their leadership are complete f*cking trash.I am not sure about the rest of the equipment, but would Kazakhstan be allowed to sell mig31 to any other country than Russia?
As far as the su-24 and mig29, I hope they do not end up in Ukrainians' hands
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Isos wrote:They can't export them without Migs approval.
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