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Log inAs a reader from the Russian Federation, I will answer some questions and doubts. One day, Putin was asked about the most terrible crime. He replied: "Betrayal" After the coup attempt, he always praised the rank-and-file members of the PMCs and never spoke well of Prigozhin again. That says it all. And you can put an end to the story
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Wagner Chief Y.Prigozhin killed in plane crash
sentinel112- Posts : 8
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Isos- Posts : 11599
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There was no betrayal. It's just that he confronted the state.
It's not something you can close your eyes on. Such things happen in bana republics.
He came back again again in Russia many times so he tried to get involved again in russian politics. That's what decided of his fate.
It's not something you can close your eyes on. Such things happen in bana republics.
He came back again again in Russia many times so he tried to get involved again in russian politics. That's what decided of his fate.
GarryB- Posts : 40521
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There was no betrayal. It's just that he confronted the state.
He sent armed forces to the Russian government... it was more of an insurrection than that joke protest in the US they all blame Trump for.
He came back again again in Russia many times so he tried to get involved again in russian politics. That's what decided of his fate.
It is hilarious we all drink the kool aide and are so quick to blame Putin.
Maybe his job was to overthrow Putin and western factions supported him and when he ended up backing down his western supporters took their revenge and pretended it might have been Putin that did it to get Putin out... because that is the goal.
PMCs are technically illegal in Russia, if Putin wanted him out of the way he could easily have had him arrested... Putin is very much a law and order by the book kind of guy... assassinations like this of rivals is not the sort of thing Putin would have done.
Kill some chechen butcher in Germany, or some cowardly pilot who got his crew murdered for a peanut reward in Spain... probably, but the leader of a unit doing good work in Ukraine... I don't buy it.
And to buy it you need to view Putin as a mobster leader the way the west so desperately tries to make him look like every chance they get.
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sentinel112- Posts : 8
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It was impossible to put him in jail because of the attitude of a large number of Russians towards him. Many made allowances for his betrayal because he demanded justice. In Russia, we have a slightly peculiar attitude towards law and justice. That's why he was eliminated, not imprisoned. How exactly it was eliminated is already an excess of the performer.
PapaDragon- Posts : 13471
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Prigozin's mutiny was timed with the Ukrainian counter offensive, it was pivotal element in their war plan
Traitor bitch and his goons switched sides in the middle of the war, they should have all been executed to the last on that highway
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Sprut-B- Posts : 428
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Putler took down a traitor-mad dog. Case closed. There is no need for speculation. And today, nobody cares about that fugly thug getting killed.
Even the most hardline Wagnerians went silent once Prigo was killed.
They all got the message, comply or get annihilated.
Prigo was leading a band of thugs and murderers driven by bloodlust.
This is the general issue with mercenary groups; they attract the worst of the worst.
Wenger today is not the same cult-like organisation it was under Prigo's rule.
It took a failed coup for the Russian authorities to finally take action against these criminal thugs.
Even the most hardline Wagnerians went silent once Prigo was killed.
They all got the message, comply or get annihilated.
Prigo was leading a band of thugs and murderers driven by bloodlust.
This is the general issue with mercenary groups; they attract the worst of the worst.
Wenger today is not the same cult-like organisation it was under Prigo's rule.
It took a failed coup for the Russian authorities to finally take action against these criminal thugs.
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Rodion_Romanovic- Posts : 2652
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- Post n°157
Re: Wagner Chief Y.Prigozhin killed in plane crash
Rodion_Romanovic Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:25 am
Why do you call the russian president putler?
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GarryB- Posts : 40521
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Considering his work was in the world of mercenaries I rather suspect he rubbed shoulders with lots of people of dubious valour... you can't just do that sort of thing and not make enemies.
He likely had more enemies than there are minutes in a day, but we are told that Putin had him murdered... had they run out of novachok?
A bit harsh murdering everyone on the plane just to get one guy.
Not a very patriotic Russian flying a plane of a foreign design.
Navalny talked about justice and claimed to be fighting corruption, and it turns out he wasn't killed by Putin despite immediate claims by the entire western world at hearing the news.
Ironically the Ukrainians state that he died of a blood clot, which is amusing when it appears he demanded western Covid vaccines rather than the Russian ones...
Contributing factor?
Does that mean the west murdered him?
We might find out if we live long enough... Putins memoires are going to be a cracker read if he ever gets to write them.
He likely had more enemies than there are minutes in a day, but we are told that Putin had him murdered... had they run out of novachok?
A bit harsh murdering everyone on the plane just to get one guy.
Not a very patriotic Russian flying a plane of a foreign design.
Navalny talked about justice and claimed to be fighting corruption, and it turns out he wasn't killed by Putin despite immediate claims by the entire western world at hearing the news.
Ironically the Ukrainians state that he died of a blood clot, which is amusing when it appears he demanded western Covid vaccines rather than the Russian ones...
Contributing factor?
Does that mean the west murdered him?
We might find out if we live long enough... Putins memoires are going to be a cracker read if he ever gets to write them.
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Sprut-B- Posts : 428
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Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin
You happy now?
"The one thing that I can't forgive is betrayal" - Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (In an interview in 2018)
For the greater good some sacrifices are inevitable. And what makes you believe that the crews are innocent who are working for Wagner?
Pigger was never patriotic and him flying on a foreign plane gives a plausible deniability to paint it as some sort of assassination by a foreign enemy.
Navalny is incomparable to Prigo. Prigo was very popular, unlike Navalny. Prigo had an army, unlike Navalny. Navalny was nobody but an edgy vlogger who got a blessing for the Neocons. Navalny was serving a prison sentence because he broke the law, not because he was a threat to the Russian authorities. He was found guilty of large-scale fraud and contempt by a Russian court for publicly insulting the court. How he died, we don't know, but I don't think that Navalny's death has anything to do with Russian authority.
You happy now?
"The one thing that I can't forgive is betrayal" - Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (In an interview in 2018)
For the greater good some sacrifices are inevitable. And what makes you believe that the crews are innocent who are working for Wagner?
Pigger was never patriotic and him flying on a foreign plane gives a plausible deniability to paint it as some sort of assassination by a foreign enemy.
Navalny is incomparable to Prigo. Prigo was very popular, unlike Navalny. Prigo had an army, unlike Navalny. Navalny was nobody but an edgy vlogger who got a blessing for the Neocons. Navalny was serving a prison sentence because he broke the law, not because he was a threat to the Russian authorities. He was found guilty of large-scale fraud and contempt by a Russian court for publicly insulting the court. How he died, we don't know, but I don't think that Navalny's death has anything to do with Russian authority.
Rodion_Romanovic- Posts : 2652
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- Post n°160
Re: Wagner Chief Y.Prigozhin killed in plane crash
Rodion_Romanovic Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:23 pm
Prigozhin had also many enemies in the air force after that his men shot down at least an helicopter and a plane using anti air missiles during their coup attempt.
It is not that there were real Russian alternatives if one wanted a business jet.
One of the few possibilities that come into my mind would be to modify the cabin of an old yak-40, but it would be less than ideal.
Furthermore a yak-40 would offer a much smaller range than an Embraer legacy 600 (1800 km Vs 6300 km).
This will be solved in the future with the Aurus/Tu-324A.
The business jet version of the Tu-324 was predicted having a range of about 7500 km, more than enough for a direct flight from Moscow to Beijing, Moscow to Vladivostok, Moscow to new Delhi or Vladivostok to Singapore.
Many other Russian businessmen, both patriotic and non, will be interested in such jets.
GarryB wrote:Not a very patriotic Russian flying a plane of a foreign design.
Sprut-B wrote:Pigger was never patriotic and him flying on a foreign plane gives a plausible deniability to paint it as some sort of assassination by a foreign enemy.
It is not that there were real Russian alternatives if one wanted a business jet.
One of the few possibilities that come into my mind would be to modify the cabin of an old yak-40, but it would be less than ideal.
Furthermore a yak-40 would offer a much smaller range than an Embraer legacy 600 (1800 km Vs 6300 km).
This will be solved in the future with the Aurus/Tu-324A.
The business jet version of the Tu-324 was predicted having a range of about 7500 km, more than enough for a direct flight from Moscow to Beijing, Moscow to Vladivostok, Moscow to new Delhi or Vladivostok to Singapore.
Many other Russian businessmen, both patriotic and non, will be interested in such jets.
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