Future Russian Aircraft Carriers and Deck Aviation. #2

GarryB wrote:

I rather suspect the Argentinians looked at the situation... the big carriers are gone... only little unproven carriers with little unproven Harriers... and a woman in charge... what are the chances they will sail 10,000km for a few farmers and a few sheep on those wind swept rocks...

Falkland was a test, Harrier passed it and was deemed worth of an ulterior evolution.

And it also showed how our own ships, weapon systems and ABOVE ALL the integration between them were of immensely superior design than the one of rosbif's.

No one was there for the farmers, windswept rocks or nationalism. They were there for the 60B barrels of oil in the surrounding waters. (3-6T dollars)

If the one Argentine sub had maintained its torpedos properly and the Argies had sorted out the fusing of their dumb bombs, the carnage on the Brits would have been 3-4 x and they very well may have lost. If they had enough Excets to ripple fire them - carnage. If they had taken delivery of the 14 they ordered and had ample Exocets they could have fired 7 at a time and that would have been impossible for the Brits to deal with.

Tsavo Lion wrote:IMO, if the Argentines were better armed, a USN CBG/MEU &/ AF would get involved "to help liberate them from the junta that attacked our NATO & British ally & prevent Soviet influence from increasing there". After the war, access to bases in the S. Atlantic with rich fishing grounds & next to Antarctic Peninsula wouldn't hurt.

"to help liberate them from the junta that attacked our NATO & British ally & prevent Soviet influence from increasing there".

Isos wrote:Argentina was their ally back then. That's why soviets didn't help them and just watch the show of US allies fight each other.

RTN wrote:

Isos wrote:Argentina was their ally back then. That's why soviets didn't help them and just watch the show of US allies fight each other.

France, did share the codes of the Exocet missile they sold to Argentina with the U.K.

Isos wrote:UK operated the exocet. They had all the information they needed.

French engineers that were there to maintain french stuff on the other hand helped Argentina to adapt its ship launched exocet on super etandard.

LMFS wrote:

Isos wrote:UK operated the exocet. They had all the information they needed.

French engineers that were there to maintain french stuff on the other hand helped Argentina to adapt its ship launched exocet on super etandard.

It is known that the French threw Argentina under the bus with the Exocet. I guess they were not interested in a wave of UK-sponsored decolonization efforts on their overseas territories...

LMFS wrote:

Isos wrote:UK operated the exocet. They had all the information they needed.

French engineers that were there to maintain french stuff on the other hand helped Argentina to adapt its ship launched exocet on super etandard.

It is known that the French threw Argentina under the bus with the Exocet. I guess they were not interested in a wave of UK-sponsored decolonization efforts on their overseas territories...

LMFS wrote:Nevskoe design bureau presented the project of the universal sea ship "Varan"



It can carry 24 multipurpose aircraft, six helicopters and up to 20 unmanned aerial vehicles.

MOSCOW, January 18. / TASS /. The Nevsky Design Bureau (PKB, part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation) has developed two new projects of universal ships, in particular the Varan universal sea ship (UMK) and a new universal landing ship (UDC). This is stated in the materials of the PKB dedicated to the 90th anniversary of the enterprise and available to TASS.

UMK "Varan" is an aircraft-carrying complex, characterized by a high degree of automation and the possibility of using robotic systems. It can carry 24 multipurpose aircraft, six helicopters and up to 20 unmanned aerial vehicles.

The ship's displacement is about 45 thousand tons, length - about 250 m, width - 65 m, draft at the structural waterline - 9 m. "Varan" is capable of speeds up to 26 knots.

The displacement of the promising UDC is about 30 thousand tons. The length of the ship reaches about 220 m, the width is 42 m, the draft along the constructive waterline is 7 m. The new UDC is capable of developing a speed of about 24 knots. There are seven helicopter landing pads on the deck of the ship.

Nevskoe PKB is one of the largest domestic developers of universal ships and the only designer of aircraft carriers and training complexes in Russia. The company celebrates its 90th anniversary on 18 January.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/10488643

Nevskoe design bureau started working out the concept of floating airfields

The bureau said that these platforms will become "a kind of centers for supporting the entire spectrum of activities of Russia and partner countries in the Arctic."

MOSCOW, January 18. / TASS /. The Nevsky Design Bureau (PKB, part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation) develops floating airfields for aviation for various purposes. This is stated in the materials of the PKB dedicated to the 90th anniversary of the enterprise and available to TASS.

"As part of the initiative work of the Nevsky Design Bureau, pre-design studies of the architectural and structural appearance of floating islands and airfields are being carried out," the materials say.

As noted in the bureau, floating airfields can be used to support the actions of transport, rescue and military aviation in the Arctic, develop new gas fields in the northern seas, ensure the safety of navigation of the Northern Sea Route and perform the functions of the Ministry of Defense in the Arctic zone. "[These platforms] will become a kind of centers for supporting the entire spectrum of activities of Russia and partner countries in the Arctic," the booklet says.

The PKB stressed that floating aerodromes ensure all-weather use of the runway in the Arctic, as well as countering the longitudinal and lateral rolling of the platform during takeoff and landing operations.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/10488755

GarryB wrote:Reagan remained neutral and didn't lift a finger to help Maggie.

If the Argentinians had F-4 Phantoms then there would be no interference either.

"to help liberate them from the junta that attacked our NATO & British ally & prevent Soviet influence from increasing there".

The US created most of the worst dictators and their juntas in the region then and today...

American oil companies would be telling Ronny to stay out of it because that oil belongs to American oil companies... not British ones...

LMFS wrote:

marcellogo wrote:May I dare say that some projects seems me to have their own numbers (Displacement, length, number of aeromobiles) assembled together quite casually.

Also because an UAV, an helo, a MiG-29 and a Su-33 cannot be put together in same list.

Look, my one is better, at half displacement host double number of planes!
OKKAaay, I know, you are right, they are mainly An-2 but what matter? Have you something against biplanes?