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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon Jan 06, 2025 11:37 am

    Broski wrote:Zelensky and Fridman should've conversed in their native tongue of Hebrew/Yiddish if they despise speaking Russian so much.
    Hebrew actually is an interesting case because it had not been spoken for many centuries (only kept for religious texts) and had been reintroduced at the beginning of the 20th century.

    Yiddish is a German dialect with some Hebrew words.

    Zelenski mother tongue was (and probably still is) Russian. He did not have any problem in working and getting rich in Russia for many years 

    Zelenski does not care for Ukraine as he did not care for Russia. He is an actor who is playing a part, and differently from other actors turned politicians (which could be either competent or incompetent) he is not a politician in the country where his loyalty is.

    But yeah the issue with many Jewish people is that they never wanted to be really integrated in the countries that they were living in, even if they were there for many generations. And, at least in the recent past since after WW2, often did not care too much about the consequences and the problems for their host country, because they could always leave for their "true" motherland of Israel. 

    Many of them have a large political or economic power in their host countries, but do not care (or not care enough) for their fellow citizens who are not member of their tribe.

    I have an acquaintance (Italian Jew) whose family left the middle east about two thousands years ago and has lived in Italy ever since. His opinion and priority is still Israel interests first, Italy second. And my understanding is that he is not the exception.

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    Post  Hole Mon Jan 06, 2025 12:20 pm

    Zelensky and Fridman should've conversed in their native tongue of Hebrew/Yiddish
    I doubt that Zelensky can speak Hebrew.

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    Will Trump Really Give Putin
    Proves once again how stupid the Americans are.
    Trump owns nothing and has nothing to give.

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    Post  franco Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:12 pm

    Russian MoD reporting 2155 Ukrainian casualties over the past 24 hours including Kursk;

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12545034@egNews

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12545060@egNews

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 06, 2025 3:09 pm

    Best thing in this picture is the rear spoiler on that Russian made Fiat 124, forgotten its name. Laughing

    The situation for the Ukrainian Armed Forces is worse than ever. Kiev has only one option left

    Even ideological Ukrainian fighters are beginning to lean toward negotiations, writes WP . “The situation is now even worse than at the beginning of the conflict,” said Taras, a company commander in the 35th Brigade. “What should we negotiate about? All we can do is nod and agree to their demands , which we clearly won’t like.”

    The most common tactic of the Russians is to move in small infantry groups. This allows them to quietly build up their forces before attacking . “You think everything is fine because you haven’t noticed the enemy, and then suddenly ten people run out of the basement,” Taras said. “Where did they come from?”

    Ukrainian soldiers say that losses in defense have been even higher than in the offensive. Drone surveillance allows both armies to track any movement on the battlefield, and now the most dangerous thing is just getting to a position. Taras said that vehicles without electronic warfare to repel drone attacks have almost ceased to be used - the risks are too high.

    Among the Russian innovations on the battlefield, the Ukrainian Armed Forces also note drones with fiber-optic cables up to 20 kilometers long, against which jammers do not work. “With all these drones, you are overcome by paranoia. In every sound, in every movement, you imagine a drone, and you try to hide from it.”

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    Post  lyle6 Mon Jan 06, 2025 3:14 pm

    Mein herren Hole ist richtig.

    Trump has nothing to offer Russia.

    America has a blood debt to Slavs. They are lucky if they will make it out of this century intact.

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    Post  kvs Mon Jan 06, 2025 3:42 pm

    This is indeed a TikTok and Twatter war in the west. I follow a certain dissident creator who is way off the mainstream western
    reservation/plantation, but still thinks that there are North Korean troops fighting in this war. Some basically retarded fake video
    put out by the Kiev regime side is convincing enough for him. Nobody should laugh off deep fake, staged or manipulated videos
    since most people can be fooled by them.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jan 06, 2025 4:14 pm

    But you are taking an opposit vector.
    We have seen NK equipment being used. Tank destroyers, SPGs, tactical missiles, ammunition, all of it.
    Why be shocked by the fact, that Comrade Kim sent his operators/advisors/observers?
    It works perfectly fine for me.
    And who cares? scratch dunno

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    Post  Mir Mon Jan 06, 2025 4:33 pm

    JohninMK' wrote:Best thing in this picture is the rear spoiler on that Russian made Fiat 124, forgotten its name.

    It's a classic Soviet era car - the Lada Zhiguli design dating back to the 70's and it's still going strongk! VAZ-210 series of car produced almost unchanged until 2010! Made much stronger than the Fiat 125 - able to handle Russian country roads. The name Zhiguli was dropped in the 90's as it apparently sounds similar to the Russian word for gigolo.  Laughing

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jan 06, 2025 4:55 pm

    A WAZ 2101 Cool
    Sold as Zhiguli 2101 inside SU and Lada 2101 outside.
    Called "odinechka" Very Happy
    It was Fiat 124 license that funded the core of Lada - the Soviets signed an agreement in 1966.
    And yes, those cars were considered superior to the original FIAT 124 design in a lot of aspects.
    Soviets put more than 800 technical upgrades before starting its production. Gearbox, breaks, rear axe drive, higher clearance ... Even the body was strengthened.
    It is much more corrosion resistant because of better steel sheet quality and very fine anticorrosive application.
    2107 models were considered the best you could buy in all of the WarPac.
    You can quite easily spot them in Hungary to this day - driving just fine!

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 06, 2025 5:15 pm

    There was a rumour that it could be fitted with the GM 16v 2.0XE engine, one of the best such engines made. Used all around the World from Opel to Dawoo.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 06, 2025 5:16 pm

    Two crew made it out Shocked Shocked Two hatches in the turret?



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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 06, 2025 5:33 pm

    Why aren't the two rear passengers operating as 'tail gunners'?

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 06, 2025 5:43 pm

    From last night

    Condottiero 🇷🇺 on TG reports:

    "Since the Russian Defense Ministry does not make new statements, the phase of cleaning up the guys who ran into the attack continues.
    In principle, purely military resources like Rybar and Podolyak describe everything correctly, we will add our thirty-five cents.
    The total number of reserves sent to die is estimated at two battalions minimum.
    The transition to the attack of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was preceded by a night transfer of artillery equipment, infantry units and mixed mechanized
    formations. Their route was from Kharkov through Sumy.
    They pulled up a lot of electronic warfare equipment to suppress the radio communications of the Russian Armed Forces and the control frequencies of our UAVs.
    There were three attack waves, which filled the diapers of armchair analysts.
    At the cost of high losses in manpower, the Ukrainian Armed Forces advanced almost to Berdin, now the scattered remnants of the units are running through the snow. The enemy was still unable to take control of the
    areas of attack.
    Russian troops have stopped the enemy's advance and what is currently happening is exactly what is officially stated - clearing the territories of the remnants of scattered groups of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. If this is the same strike, no one will believe it. If this is a "diversionary maneuver", the cynicism and ruthlessness towards their own people of those who came up with such a maneuver is astounding."

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    Post  kvs Mon Jan 06, 2025 5:50 pm

    @ALAMO

    NK equipment on the front does not prove your claim that it is a substantial contribution to Russia's effort. You claim, without any proof, that
    millions of NK shells are being sent to Russia. This is a type of BS that denies Russian war production capacity and fits nicely with NATzO
    propaganda about how China and NK are propping Russia up. Apparently Russia is a zero without external support.

    This cringe NATzO propaganda pollutes this thread.



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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jan 06, 2025 5:51 pm

    John,
    The first survivor looks like the driver to me.
    The second is gunner.
    Every crewmember has his own hatch.

    This cringe NATzO propaganda pollutes this thread.

    You seem seriously struggling with the meaning of what others are saying, and applying your own bizarre perspective where there is none.
    I have never claimed any relevance of the Korean support, because I don't have the numbers to analyze.
    We only know it is there.
    The number of 6 mln artillery rounds is not a fact, but an extrapolation of the western shitstream claims about the number of supplied containers. While all of NATO can produce 300k 155 mm rounds a year, 6 mln pcs commingg from their own propaganda is crazy. It would mean 20 years of NATO production Laughing which is why I have used it as a good joke.
    We do know that NK is supporting Russkie.
    We do know/have seen multiple NK supplied toys.
    It is out of the discussion for anyone who follows it without some agenda.
    If you face a denial stage of any sort - it is not my problem. scratch Rolling Eyes dunno

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    Post  Kiko Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:35 pm

    The road to the Dnieper has opened for Russian troops, by Oleg Isaychenko for VZGLYAD. 01.06.2025.

    The Russian army has liberated Kurakhovo, the largest settlement in the southwestern part of Donbas. It would not only be a significant fortified area for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but also a key logistics center. "The liberation of Kurakhovo means the final end to artillery terror against Donetsk," military experts say. However, this operation also opens up new opportunities for the Russian armed forces.

    The Russian Ministry of Defense reported on its Telegram channel that Russian troops have completely liberated the city of Kurakhovo in the DPR.

    "Over the course of ten years, the Kiev regime has turned it into a powerful fortified area with a developed network of long-term firing points and underground communications... To defend the city, the enemy has amassed large forces, including nationalist formations and foreign mercenaries... In total, the Ukrainian Armed Forces command has concentrated 26 battalions with a total of over 15,000 servicemen to hold Kurakhovo. As a result of the professional actions of Russian troops during the liberation of Kurakhovo, the enemy lost 80% of its personnel (more than 12,000 people), about 3,000 units of various weapons and military equipment, including 40 tanks and other armored combat vehicles," the military department reported.

    Russian Defence Minister Andrei Belousov congratulated the soldiers who distinguished themselves during the liberation of Kurakhovo, singling out the 110th Motorized Rifle Brigade and the 5th Brigade named after the first head of the DPR Zakharchenko. As indicated by the Defense Ministry, more than 5.5 thousand servicemen were awarded state and departmental awards for their courage and heroism.

    The necessary resources for the Ukrainian Armed Forces garrisons operating in the DPR and in some areas of the Zaporizhia region were delivered through Kurakhovo. Now the Ukrainian Armed Forces will have to look for other ways to provide logistical support, which complicates their positions in these territories.

    By January 2022, about 18 thousand people lived in Kurakhovo. The city is home to the Kurakhovskaya TPP, the Elektrostal plant (rolled metal, ferroalloys), NPO Sintop (petrochemical synthesis products), and the Svyato-Ilyinsky Machine-Building Plant. There are 35 agricultural enterprises within the city community. That is, Kurakhovo is a serious industrial center with developed coal industry and metallurgy.

    In addition to industrial and economic significance, Kurakhovo also has political significance, so important that Kiev previously ordered the Ukrainian Armed Forces to hold positions in Kurakhovo until the inauguration of the elected US President Donald Trump. This was reported by Vladimir Rogov, co-chairman of the coordination council of the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation for the integration of new regions. The inauguration, as is known, will take place on January 20, which means that the Kiev regime has suffered a major political defeat in addition to the military one.

    Earlier in the same area, Russian forces took control of the Shevchenkovske lithium deposit, the largest in Ukraine, providing access to 13.8 million tons of lithium ore. This is a strategically important facility, especially given the global trend towards increasing battery production. In addition to lithium, the deposit is rich in other valuable resources, such as niobium, beryllium, and tantalum.

    However, of course, the operation to liberate the city was not carried out for the sake of control over resources. "Every occupied settlement, liberated from the occupiers, is in any case our victory is approaching. The Ukrainian Armed Forces tried to make a fortified point out of Kurakhovo, built a lot of fortifications around the Kurakhovo reservoir, thinking that the Russian army would not be able to overcome them. But the Russian Armed Forces, with a daring and cunning maneuver, bypassed the reservoir from the north and cut off Kurakhovo, essentially, from the west. Our command showed strategic ingenuity," noted political scientist Vladimir Kornilov.

    Control over Kurakhovo allowed the Ukrainian Armed Forces to put pressure on key Russian positions in the DPR, and especially on the regional capital. “The main point of liberating Kurakhovo is that it was the last place from which barrel artillery could reach Donetsk. And the Russian Armed Forces accomplished the task of stopping this. Now the city can only be shelled with long-range rockets, but this is done extremely rarely. So the liberation of Kurakhovo means the final end to artillery terror against Donetsk,” said war correspondent Fyodor Gromov.

    "After taking Kurakhovo, Russian troops have entered operational space. This will allow us to increase the pace of liberation of the territory of the Donetsk People's Republic,"
    the Ministry of Defence said in a statement.

    What will be the further actions of the Russian Armed Forces in this area? “Logically, our forces should then move to another direction, namely, to the agglomeration of Pokrovsk and Mirnograd. Actually, according to the movement of troops, according to the maps, this is what it looks like. Our main task now is to cut the Pokrovsk-Konstantinovka highway, this is where everything is heading. This could already mean reaching the border of the Dnipropetrovsk region. And this, of course, is not only a tactical, but also a political blow to Kyiv. In addition, in the Dnipropetrovsk region there is no dense urban development, as in Donbass. This means that the Russian Armed Forces will have some operational space,” explains Gromov.

    "But if ours decide to go further than Kurakhovo, they will be able to cut the Ukrainian line of defense in Zaporizhia. We will enter the rear of the Zaporizhia group of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. To help with this, the Vostok group can press from the south," the interlocutor emphasized.

    "Before the liberation of Kurakhovo, we were limited in our maneuver to liberate Pokrovsk. Now, having freed up significant forces, we can confidently do this. And then - advance to the north for the complete liberation of Donbass, and entry into the Dnepropetrovsk region, which we are approaching from all sides, with the prospect of approaching Dnepropetrovsk itself," Kornilov sums up.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:41 pm

    A modern army in the field got to have their TV and news Laughing  This in Belarus.

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    Post  Scorpius Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:51 pm

    The soldiers of the Maxim Krivonos detachment, which consists of former Ukrainian military personnel, were awarded for performing tasks on the line of combat contact together with the Russian Armed Forces, said the deputy political officer of the detachment with the call sign Jacques.

    According to him, the soldiers involved in the evacuation of civilians and the cleansing of settlements were awarded the awards of the head of the DPR – St. George's Crosses of the 4th degree.
    https://t.me/rian_ru/275845

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:57 pm

    Apti's "suggestion" that they should rather kill the TChKshniks than going to the frontlines might work well considering the general mood Laughing Laughing

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Jan 06, 2025 9:52 pm

    to all Eastern Orthodox Christians on here who observe it today, a most blessed and merry Christmas to you and yours.

    Now then, as I predicted -albeit it happened a few weeks before I expected it- the Ukrowehrmacht has went all Mannstein and Guderian on us and launched a new offensive in Kursk. Some on X, or whatever Musk rebranded Twatwaffle, are saying the Ukes were smashed. Others are saying the idiots launched new meat wave attacks and took a couple farmsteads. So what is going on. Thanks. Also what has happened near Pokrovsk?

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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Jan 07, 2025 7:43 am

    Meanwhile the Finnish "experts" keep provoking Kiev hostility using their usual warmongering rhetoric.

    Finnish "experts" like Pekka Kallioniemi, Sari Havren, and and foreign minister Elina Valtonen claim that according to the so-called "blood experience" of Finland, the Finns historical neutrality is "useless" for Ukraine.

    Instead, the Finnish "experts" claimed that Kiev must "join NATO" no matter what and Kiev must reject any peace agreements that deny the "join NATO".

    The "experts" also claimed that the Kiev puppet regime "had already been neutral" long before the war (despite the anti-Russia, racist attitude and genocide war crimes caused by the Maidan fascists).

    Probably Ukrainians now have realized that Western countries only treat them as cannon fodders and colonies for exploitation.

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