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http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/64231/
Aviastar completed the modernization of the 10th Ruslan for the MOD.
Aviastar completed the modernization of the 10th Ruslan for the MOD.
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AN-124 "Ruslan" delivered to Niger NH-90 helicopter
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What is Niger doing with NH-90 and for what purpose?
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Werewolf wrote:What is Niger doing with NH-90 and for what purpose?
They are French actually. "France has deployed its NHIndustries NH90 Caiman helicopters on operations for the first time, with two helicopters arriving in Gao on 3 November to take part in France's Operation 'Barkhane' in Mali.
The helicopters are from the 1er Régiment d'Hélicoptères de Combat, based in Phalsbourg, with the deployment coming less than a year after their entry into service within the Alat (French army light aviation)."
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An-124 modernization suspended by JSC Ilyushin because of problems with the engines D-18
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1539715.html
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1539715.html
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George1 wrote:An-124 modernization suspended by JSC Ilyushin because of problems with the engines D-18
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1539715.html
Kill me but i expected something of a sort to happen. Damn Motor Sich.
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George1 wrote:An-124 modernization suspended by JSC Ilyushin because of problems with the engines D-18
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1539715.html
There is no indication of any suspension. This blogger is twisting the facts and quoting a statement that indicates ongoing
work on the engines. Talikov states that "all efforts are being made to continue the Colossus program".
This endless portrayal of technical problems as show stoppers for Russia is very tiresome and retarded.
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kvs wrote:George1 wrote:An-124 modernization suspended by JSC Ilyushin because of problems with the engines D-18
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1539715.html
There is no indication of any suspension. This blogger is twisting the facts and quoting a statement that indicates ongoing
work on the engines. Talikov states that "all efforts are being made to continue the Colossus program".
This endless portrayal of technical problems as show stoppers for Russia is very tiresome and retarded.
Indeed it is. But people will always be retarded I suppose.
But that said, the idea that 6 engines isn't a bad idea. They say "but would require rework of the wings" is not even an excuse. Not even a damn good excuse. Not only would it give Russian engines far more of a try (those D-18's are frigging old, not even considered new or good technology), and how much time would it really take to make new wings for it? Probably barely any.
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Just a question, but with the introduction of the new Il-476, what is the need for this AN-124? It carries roughly almost 50tonnes more than the AN?
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Just a question, but with the introduction of the new Il-476, what is the need for this AN-124? It carries roughly almost 50tonnes more than the AN?
?? The Il-476 has a payload capacity of 60 tons, while the upgraded An-124 can carry 150 tons.
The AN-22 can carry about 80 tons.
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GarryB wrote:Just a question, but with the introduction of the new Il-476, what is the need for this AN-124? It carries roughly almost 50tonnes more than the AN?
?? The Il-476 has a payload capacity of 60 tons, while the upgraded An-124 can carry 150 tons.
The AN-22 can carry about 80 tons.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/il-476.htm
Empty weight is 203,962 lb which is a little over 100 tons. Max takeoff weight is roughly 429,975 lb which is 215 tons. So my initial statement was off but Il-476 can carry upwards to over 100 tons judging by the numbers. Unless I am missing something.
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sepheronx wrote:GarryB wrote:Just a question, but with the introduction of the new Il-476, what is the need for this AN-124? It carries roughly almost 50tonnes more than the AN?
?? The Il-476 has a payload capacity of 60 tons, while the upgraded An-124 can carry 150 tons.
The AN-22 can carry about 80 tons.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/il-476.htm
Empty weight is 203,962 lb which is a little over 100 tons. Max takeoff weight is roughly 429,975 lb which is 215 tons. So my initial statement was off but Il-476 can carry upwards to over 100 tons judging by the numbers. Unless I am missing something.
Fuel
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Militarov wrote:sepheronx wrote:GarryB wrote:Just a question, but with the introduction of the new Il-476, what is the need for this AN-124? It carries roughly almost 50tonnes more than the AN?
?? The Il-476 has a payload capacity of 60 tons, while the upgraded An-124 can carry 150 tons.
The AN-22 can carry about 80 tons.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/il-476.htm
Empty weight is 203,962 lb which is a little over 100 tons. Max takeoff weight is roughly 429,975 lb which is 215 tons. So my initial statement was off but Il-476 can carry upwards to over 100 tons judging by the numbers. Unless I am missing something.
Fuel
How much is fuel in weight? There is a possibility that fuel takes up a lot of weight but I doubt 40+ tones of weight.
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sepheronx wrote:Militarov wrote:sepheronx wrote:GarryB wrote:Just a question, but with the introduction of the new Il-476, what is the need for this AN-124? It carries roughly almost 50tonnes more than the AN?
?? The Il-476 has a payload capacity of 60 tons, while the upgraded An-124 can carry 150 tons.
The AN-22 can carry about 80 tons.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/il-476.htm
Empty weight is 203,962 lb which is a little over 100 tons. Max takeoff weight is roughly 429,975 lb which is 215 tons. So my initial statement was off but Il-476 can carry upwards to over 100 tons judging by the numbers. Unless I am missing something.
Fuel
How much is fuel in weight? There is a possibility that fuel takes up a lot of weight but I doubt 40+ tones of weight.
Max fuel load is 109500l, i belive 0,84 would be transfer rate to kg for fuel, so around 87.600kg.
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Max fuel load is 109500l, i belive 0,84 would be transfer rate to kg for fuel, so around 87.600kg.
One litre of water = 1 kilogram, and most fuels have similar densities to water... well close enough to not matter that much... so 109500 litres of fuel would weigh about 109.5 tons.
Empty weight is 203,962 lb which is a little over 100 tons. Max takeoff weight is roughly 429,975 lb which is 215 tons. So my initial statement was off but Il-476 can carry upwards to over 100 tons judging by the numbers. Unless I am missing something.
There is no point in carrying 150 tons of payload if you can't take it anywhere.
An Il-476 with 60 + 110 tons payload is not much use because unless that 110 tons is fuel it is not going anywhere.
The An-124 can carry 150 tons of payload and sufficient fuel to carry it 5,000km... it is a much larger aircraft and will therefore need lots of fuel to do this too.
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Well then, they will have to either come up with an alternative or get new engines for it. I think the Il-96 is just the best option now. Screw Antonov at every corner.
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sepheronx wrote:Well then, they will have to either come up with an alternative or get new engines for it. I think the Il-96 is just the best option now. Screw Antonov at every corner.
You definitely can't replace an AN-124 with an IL-96-400... They aren't playing in the same field.
It's like if you were trying to replace a C-5 Galaxy with a B-767
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sepheronx wrote:Well then, they will have to either come up with an alternative or get new engines for it. I think the Il-96 is just the best option now. Screw Antonov at every corner.
Sorry you can not replace AN-124 by any existing aircraft, except AN-225, but that is out of question. NATO logistics rely on AN-124 to deploy their tanks and helicopters to afghanistan. They constantly lease russian companies and their AN-125 for that job.
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An-124 will be replaced with Ilyushin ERMAC in two, four and six engine versions.
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Dorfmeister wrote:sepheronx wrote:Well then, they will have to either come up with an alternative or get new engines for it. I think the Il-96 is just the best option now. Screw Antonov at every corner.
You definitely can't replace an AN-124 with an IL-96-400... They aren't playing in the same field.
It's like if you were trying to replace a C-5 Galaxy with a B-767
Werewolf wrote:sepheronx wrote:Well then, they will have to either come up with an alternative or get new engines for it. I think the Il-96 is just the best option now. Screw Antonov at every corner.
Sorry you can not replace AN-124 by any existing aircraft, except AN-225, but that is out of question. NATO logistics rely on AN-124 to deploy their tanks and helicopters to afghanistan. They constantly lease russian companies and their AN-125 for that job.
They will get replaced. Jump around saying they cant all you want, but they simply will. If Russia cannot obtain parts for it, what do you think will happen? Think about it.
Il-96 if converted will be able to transport upwards to 91T as mentioned before. If adjustments are made, it could carry more as Militorov said.
Get your heads out of your ass. We are talking about a nation that produces far more than PUkraine and Antonov isn't anything special in development (those D-18 engines are old as shit).
Back in the 90's, Ilyushin proposed a heavy lift plane but none built due to AN-70 and AN-125. Now with current politics, they will eventually restart R&D for such a plane. Take away any form of revenue to Ukraine and Antonov.
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sepheronx wrote:Dorfmeister wrote:sepheronx wrote:Well then, they will have to either come up with an alternative or get new engines for it. I think the Il-96 is just the best option now. Screw Antonov at every corner.
You definitely can't replace an AN-124 with an IL-96-400... They aren't playing in the same field.
It's like if you were trying to replace a C-5 Galaxy with a B-767Werewolf wrote:sepheronx wrote:Well then, they will have to either come up with an alternative or get new engines for it. I think the Il-96 is just the best option now. Screw Antonov at every corner.
Sorry you can not replace AN-124 by any existing aircraft, except AN-225, but that is out of question. NATO logistics rely on AN-124 to deploy their tanks and helicopters to afghanistan. They constantly lease russian companies and their AN-125 for that job.
They will get replaced. Jump around saying they cant all you want, but they simply will. If Russia cannot obtain parts for it, what do you think will happen? Think about it.
Il-96 if converted will be able to transport upwards to 91T as mentioned before. If adjustments are made, it could carry more as Militorov said.
Get your heads out of your ass. We are talking about a nation that produces far more than PUkraine and Antonov isn't anything special in development (those D-18 engines are old as shit).
Back in the 90's, Ilyushin proposed a heavy lift plane but none built due to AN-70 and AN-125. Now with current politics, they will eventually restart R&D for such a plane. Take away any form of revenue to Ukraine and Antonov.
What is more likely, to build all spare parts themselfs or use an inferior transport aircraft and try to modify it to somehow get as much capable as AN-124 in total weight capacity?
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Werewolf wrote:sepheronx wrote:Dorfmeister wrote:sepheronx wrote:Well then, they will have to either come up with an alternative or get new engines for it. I think the Il-96 is just the best option now. Screw Antonov at every corner.
You definitely can't replace an AN-124 with an IL-96-400... They aren't playing in the same field.
It's like if you were trying to replace a C-5 Galaxy with a B-767Werewolf wrote:sepheronx wrote:Well then, they will have to either come up with an alternative or get new engines for it. I think the Il-96 is just the best option now. Screw Antonov at every corner.
Sorry you can not replace AN-124 by any existing aircraft, except AN-225, but that is out of question. NATO logistics rely on AN-124 to deploy their tanks and helicopters to afghanistan. They constantly lease russian companies and their AN-125 for that job.
They will get replaced. Jump around saying they cant all you want, but they simply will. If Russia cannot obtain parts for it, what do you think will happen? Think about it.
Il-96 if converted will be able to transport upwards to 91T as mentioned before. If adjustments are made, it could carry more as Militorov said.
Get your heads out of your ass. We are talking about a nation that produces far more than PUkraine and Antonov isn't anything special in development (those D-18 engines are old as shit).
Back in the 90's, Ilyushin proposed a heavy lift plane but none built due to AN-70 and AN-125. Now with current politics, they will eventually restart R&D for such a plane. Take away any form of revenue to Ukraine and Antonov.
What is more likely, to build all spare parts themselfs or use an inferior transport aircraft and try to modify it to somehow get as much capable as AN-124 in total weight capacity?
Or build a new type of aircraft? They cannot build all spare parts themselves as Antonov will cause a stir, thanks to intellectual property rights. And I highly doubt it would be inferior product for the other. You cannot judge that without it actually created and tested. Pure speculation otherwise.
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Intellectual property rights are only protect against individuals abusing them not for countries. Fucking shit of US are stealing Kalaschnikows without having any right to produce or sell them. Russia is a giant, the biggest on this planet it does not need to give a shit about any intellectual property rights, no court could push that shit through.
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As mentioned above they are planning to replace the An-22, An-124, and An-225 with a unified transport design with two, four, and six engines respectively in the 80, 150, 250 ton payload ranges.
Designing the plane will be fairly straight forward and simple... the task will be the engines... and they have a few in the design process that would be good... a high bypass turbofan based on the NK-32 leaps to mind, plus all the other engines they are working on too.
The current in service antonovs are currently doing their job and can continue to do so for a few years yet so there is no great urgency to replace them right now.
They will of course need to be replaced and will be.
Note the An-225 is not currently used by the Russian military but its capability to carry large external loads like huge fuel tanks and boosters will be handy for transporting large items for the space industry from their place of manufacture to their launch positions.
Designing the plane will be fairly straight forward and simple... the task will be the engines... and they have a few in the design process that would be good... a high bypass turbofan based on the NK-32 leaps to mind, plus all the other engines they are working on too.
The current in service antonovs are currently doing their job and can continue to do so for a few years yet so there is no great urgency to replace them right now.
They will of course need to be replaced and will be.
Note the An-225 is not currently used by the Russian military but its capability to carry large external loads like huge fuel tanks and boosters will be handy for transporting large items for the space industry from their place of manufacture to their launch positions.
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Is there any links regarding this proposed aircraft?