T-72 ΜΒΤ modernisation and variants

"Uralvagonzavod": the new version of the T-72 will be the most mass machine in the RF Armed Forces

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Схема модернізації танка Т-72А до версії Т-72АМТ

0nillie0 wrote:So the pouches contain an 4S24 element and....sand? Hard Sand?

magnumcromagnon wrote:

0nillie0 wrote:So the pouches contain an 4S24 element and....sand? Hard Sand?

I don't know, however I think it probably works on the same principle as cage armor. Like cage armor, it's not capable of stopping true ATGM's, 120mm or above, but stop RPG's level munitions. May'be the advantage over cage armor is that it's quicker to replace compared to cage armor, maybe it's something can be replaced on the fly (near battle), and maybe it's not limited to just sand, but like any kind of earth-like debris, such as dirt.

How the Poles finish the reputation of "Leopard-2"

Tanks that are afraid of dirt, urgently required tents

The German main tank "Leopard 2" claims to be one of the best in the world and, according to its developers and operators, surpasses all Soviet tanks.

But the reputation of the “Leopard” model 2A4 seriously “stained” the events in the north of Syria, where only in the El-Bab area Turkish troops using these machines lost 10 tanks, mainly from hits FGOT and Metis.

In Germany, such large losses were explained by the fact that "Leopard-2" - the last of the tanks of the Cold War era, was intended to fight Soviet tank columns, and not against the rebels. However, the missiles that destroyed them were created at about the same time to fight NATO tanks, including those that were part of the BMP weapons system. That is, the excuses were not very convincing.

However, as it turns out, the defenselessness of these cars in front of the old Soviet missiles is not their only problem.

So it became known that the Polish Armed Forces hastily bought tents ... for the Leopard tanks. Neither awnings nor covers used for transportation, namely tents. On the existence of such, I did not even guess, despite the service in the tank forces.

However, it seems that the Polish tankers themselves, accustomed to Soviet standards, also did not realize that tanks might need tents. And these “limitations of competence” led to the fact that under the conditions of the beginning of winter, frantically, the descendants of four tankers had already bought up tents as much as more than 800 thousand dollars.

And the thing is that in the new station of permanent deployment of the 1st tank brigade, closer to the border of Belarus, there are still no tank boxes. And the “Leopard 2A4 / A5” tanks, to which the brigade was re-equipped in 2017, cannot be in the open air, like “stray dogs”.

Ex-commander of the ground forces, General Waldemar Skrshpchak, told local media that German tanks are equipped with fire control systems that are very sensitive to temperature and humidity changes, and to maintain their combat readiness, boxes with air dryers are necessary.

The general admits that even if the tents are deployed before frost, there are no guarantees that this will ensure the necessary conditions for the maintenance of equipment.

Now the tankers are wondering if they will remain "horseless" and commemorate the former Minister of Defense Matserevich with the "kind" word, in which the reliable T-72 / T-72M1D / T-72M1 and RT-91 were replaced by capricious "Germans" 58 units of armored vehicles that were previously part of the 34th Armored Cavalry Brigade were moved from Zagan, where they had all the necessary infrastructure, to an open field.


https://vpk.name/news/239339_kak_polyaki_dobivayut_reputaciyu_leoparda2.html

magnumcromagnon wrote:

0nillie0 wrote:So the pouches contain an 4S24 element and....sand? Hard Sand?

I don't know, however I think it probably works on the same principle as cage armor. Like cage armor, it's not capable of stopping true ATGM's, 120mm or above, but stop RPG's level munitions. May'be the advantage over cage armor is that it's quicker to replace compared to cage armor, maybe it's something can be replaced on the fly (near battle), and maybe it's not limited to just sand, but like any kind of earth-like debris, such as dirt.

How can some rubble stop a molten metal jet travelling at hypersonic speed?

GarryB wrote:

I seem to remember photos of T-34s in germany with bedsprings tied on to their upper surfaces to try to prematurely detonate rounds fired at the tanks... normally it doesn't hurt and it might help...

Soviet tank crews understood that a heat round will be less dangerous if it is prematurely detonated but the mesh things that bolted on were nott sturdy enough stop the panzerfaust from just going straight through before detonating.

Personally I would just strap a bundle of logs to my tank it would not look pretty but neither would the kraut who tried to panzerfaust me after I was done with him.

These days though why not just get some female manequins, dress them up and strap them to the sides of your tank every retard on the enemy side will be convinced that they are real people by thier media and thus will not fire on you.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Red Effect is mostly right, don't dismiss him simply because he sometimes says slightly wrong stuff.

Essentially, T-72's actual armor hasn't been improved at all since introduction of T-72B in 1985.

T-72B3M does not feature any improvements in actual armor. It only comes with new ERA (Relikt). T-72B3 still used Kontakt-5 so stuff from 1989. Most T-72s in Russian army service are either T-72B or B3, not the newest B3M variant and their protection is not adequate for modern battlefield.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:I didn't say old T-72s with Kontakt-5 are crappy tanks.

They simply aren't effective against other modern tanks since M829A3 and Dm63 have been specifically designed to defeat Kontakt-5

miketheterrible wrote:Specifically designed to defeat. Now has it?  Is there evidence it actually works as intended? What range?  Would it be able to defeat it before a T-72B3 Fielding thermal imaging able to strike it from 3km away?  No. Unless crew of the T-72B3 are mental morons.  And would that M1 survive? Or Leopard 2A4? Probably not.

You see, tank on tank battle is a thing in the past.  It may happen but not like previously depicted it would.  The inner casings anyway aren't the same as older K5 as these ones are more compact. There also seems to be more passive protection added to the current T-72B3 upgrades.

To say it is obsolete is stupid. Beyond imaginable.  All tanks are obsolete then.

It isn't like Russia sat still for ammunition or guidance systems ffs.