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George1 wrote:Frigate Admiral Gorshkov Arrived at Northern Fleet to Continue Air Defense Trials
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Stealthflanker wrote:George1 wrote:Frigate Admiral Gorshkov Arrived at Northern Fleet to Continue Air Defense Trials
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Good luck at this.
Hopefully, The success of this would means ground based Vityaz's success too.
hoom wrote:Kasatonov
It looks pretty close to finished there.
verkhoturye51 wrote:Gorshkov was commissioned, but Kasatonov was finished in the sense of being laid on a water, which is the same as starting trials, if I understand it correctly.
Traditional shipbuilding you launch when the hull is completed then you add on all the other stuff in the water.Kasatonov was finished in the sense of being laid on a water, which is the same as starting trials
"The SSBB carried out certain pre-design works in accordance with the wishes of the Russian Navy, including by initiative, but now the bureau expects the contract,"
hoom wrote:Someone at Balancer even suggested there might even be only small or no weapon increase, apparently Gorshkov is packed super tight to fit the capabilities it has, making a bigger ship might just be used to space things out a bit, improve living quarters, increase range etc.
Big_Gazza wrote:hoom wrote:Someone at Balancer even suggested there might even be only small or no weapon increase, apparently Gorshkov is packed super tight to fit the capabilities it has, making a bigger ship might just be used to space things out a bit, improve living quarters, increase range etc.
"Someone" at Balancer "suggested" there "might" be.... Heck, why don't we just quote some anonymous redneck nobody from CNN in the future, as that would be just as authoritative?
I give up...
hoom wrote:Well I thought its an interesting alternative viewpoint to ideas of doubling or more of the current armament.
Gorshkov does pack a lot of stuff into a relatively small hull compared to the recent Euro-frigates which are ~50% bigger.
I certainly expect VLS increases for sure & I'd like to see even an outright doubling.They will fit more VLS.
Euro frigates lacks weapons in general because of costs. Arleigh Burk punch >100 VLS and has almost the size of euro frigates only a little bit biger.
Euro frigates is more than just cost though, they seem to be using a lot of the volume/mass on large comfortable accomodation, many of them have been built 'for but not with' extra weapons but even with those extras considered they're weakly armed.
I definitely don't disparage Burkes, they're an incredibly successful design with a huge amount of capability & built in stupidly big numbers, only downside really has been the lack of VLS anti-ship missiles (because that capability has been expected to come from CVs/SSNs).
Another point from Balancer: Even just an upgrade to Pantsir-M with its 20-40km range potentially frees up all Redut cells for the 120km 9M96 rather than splitting 32 cells between 120km, 60km & 10km ranges.
At least means 9M100 is no longer needed.
Big_Gazza wrote:While on the subject, anyone have any idea on the future of the navalised Tor-M2KM?
Big_Gazza wrote:I always viewed the use of Palash/Palma CIWS on the 22350s as a bit of a placeholder, to be replaced when a more capable system (such as Pantsir-M) becomes available. I'd expect the 22350M would make this trade, and wouldn't be surprised if one or both of the Golovko and Isokov gets upgraded?
While on the subject, anyone have any idea on the future of the navalised Tor-M2KM? AFAIK there aren't any prospective vessels that are slated to carry it as standard fit. Are we to assume that it is a mission-specific add-on to be fitted to "modular" vessels like Bykov?
Why? Tor M2KM has a range of 15 km, while Pantsir M 20 km.
GarryB wrote:Why? Tor M2KM has a range of 15 km, while Pantsir M 20 km.
Tor is vertical launch and therefore the launcher is stealthy... plus does not need the launcher turned in the direction of the target before launch... and the missiles are single stage and much smaller and likely cheaper command guided missiles.
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