Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov #2

Second Admiral Gorshkov frigate nears completion

Construction of the Russian Navy’s second Project 22350 frigate is almost complete, with the ship poised to begin factory trials in November, Severnaya Verf shipyard’s director general has told Jane’s .

“The second Project 22350 frigate, Admiral Kasatonov , is now 99% complete,” Igor Ponomaryov said. “The first phase of the ship’s factory trials is scheduled for November, and both factory and state trials will be completed next year. We’re planning to deliver the ship to the navy by the end of 2019 or even earlier.”

Construction of the third and fourth Project 22350 ships, Admiral Golovko and Admiral Isakov , is also well under way, he said.



https://www.janes.com/article/83458/second-admiral-gorshkov-frigate-nears-completion?fbclid=IwAR17mcI9Qcb1AXszOTd7EHscqtQTWj8EKCF9MxSuZhPV_CwbecqBltunSx0

hoom wrote:Apparently Navy is looking into ordering 2 or 4 more Gorshkovs
https://flotprom.ru/2018/%D0%92%D0%BC%D1%8432/

If Gorshkov is actually working properly now & with 20386/22350M some way away it makes sense.

Could it be that they are finally coming to their senses?

If they do this it will be decision almost on par with ordering 6 more Borei-A subs in it's intelligence and wisdom!!!

Stopping vessel production after couple of hulls (which they do routinely) is idiotic approach and if they finally managed to get these things to work they should definitely order as many as possible.

4 for North Fleet and 4 for Pacific Fleet are more than enough to get Navy through rough patch until they get their stuff in order, one Gorshkov easily fills in for one Udaloy.

Now they need to stop looking into ordering and start ordering.

i remind that we have already 2 of 6 Gorshkovs ordered but not laid down yet.

PapaDragon wrote:Could it be that they are finally coming to their senses?

If they do this it will be decision almost on par with ordering 6 more Borei-A subs in it's intelligence and wisdom!!!

Stopping vessel production after couple of hulls (which they do routinely) is idiotic approach and if they finally managed to get these things to work they should definitely order as many as possible.

4 for North Fleet and 4 for Pacific Fleet are more than enough to get Navy through rough patch until they get their stuff in order, one Gorshkov easily fills in for one Udaloy.

Now they need to stop looking into ordering and start ordering.

They don't really have much of a choice, the only other Frigates are the Grigorovich class which is just a heavily redesigned Kirvak and the Gepard class which is just too light weight.

So that leaves the Gorshkov as the only viable modern Frigate for the future.

AlfaT8 wrote:..............
They don't really have much of a choice, the only other Frigates are the Grigorovich class which is just a heavily redesigned Kirvak and the Gepard class which is just too light weight.

So that leaves the Gorshkov as the only viable modern Frigate for the future.

I know but they were talking about discontinuing Gorshkovs and switching to Super-Gorshkovs (their usual MO)

If this latest news about 2-4 more is true then it means that they finally dropped their usual BS method, at least for now

PapaDragon wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:..............
They don't really have much of a choice, the only other Frigates are the Grigorovich class which is just a heavily redesigned Kirvak and the Gepard class which is just too light weight.

So that leaves the Gorshkov as the only viable modern Frigate for the future.

I know but they were talking about discontinuing Gorshkovs and switching to Super-Gorshkovs (their usual MO)

If this latest news about 2-4 more is true then it means that they finally dropped their usual BS method, at least for now

Super-Gorshkov will be actually a destroyer

George1 wrote:.........

Super-Gorshkov will be actually a destroyer

I know and will be ready for production God knows when

Keep making standard ones until then

Isos wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

George1 wrote:.........

Super-Gorshkov will be actually a destroyer

I  know and will be ready for production God knows when

Keep making standard ones until then

I disagree totally.

It iis supposed to still be a gorshkov. Same desin but longer, same systems, same radars, same weapons but more of them.

The construction shouldn't be longer in this case. The 10 or 15m they add would take two or three months to be build. Structure isn't really a problem, it's the easiest part.

System being the same means they already have everything in production so they will only have to order more of wires and VLS.

Only issue would be the engine because it would need more powerfull ones. I think that's why they don't start this class.

maybe the engine is also the reason for not laid down more Gorshkovs from 2014 till now. Last one laid down in 2013

Isos wrote:I disagree totally.

It iis supposed to still be a gorshkov. Same desin but longer, same systems, same radars, same weapons but more of them.

The construction shouldn't be longer in this case. The 10 or 15m they add would take two or three months to be build. Structure isn't really a problem, it's the easiest part.

System being the same means they already have everything in production so they will only have to order more of wires and VLS.

Only issue would be the engine because it would need more powerfull ones. I think that's why they don't start this class.

What???

Granted there is high degree of commonalty with the Gorshkov, especially with the weapon systems, but we are still looking at a considerable increase in size.
And we have some new systems like the S-400 and the new Pantsirs.

Seriously, the weapons load alone tells you that this is gonna be big, we have 15x8 UKSKs that's a 7+ fold increase in Cruise/AShM missiles alone, we got 24x8 Reduts a 6 fold increase in Short-to-Medium ranged AA missiles and 24 S-400 cells, each cell with at least 8 missile tubes each (Slava) so 24x8 Long-to-Very long ranged missiles (Yes, they could put 4 extra medium ranged missile in each tube).
And 2 Pantsirs with reloading capabilities.

A ship straight outta the deepest darkest nightmares of Western Naval officers.

The SG is definitely the only feasible Destroyer for the Russian navy (thanks to the Gorshkov), but this ain't gonna be some few extra months.

hoom wrote:

we have 15x8 UKSKs...

You mean that model a couple of pages back?
While its '22350 styled' they either just slapped stupid amounts of weapons on the model for wow factor or its a Lider concept IMO.

There is no way all that stuff could fit in 8,000ton.
A straight doubling to 64* Redut, 32* UKSK & 2* Pantsir-M would be probably pushing it.

It's the second model to show the 15x8 UKSKs, no reason to doubt it yet.