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Source: Severnaya Verf Shipyard will launch Admiral Golovko frigate on May 22
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Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov #2
dino00- Posts : 1677
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The question is when it will be laid down for the next two 22350 frigates?
dino00- Posts : 1677
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Arrow wrote:The question is when it will be laid down for the next two 22350 frigates?
Surely before your Polish "Navy"...has anything that can be called a modern frigate
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As soon as the ones being build right now free space in shipyards after the first stage of their construction, they will start new ones.
I guess the "assembly line" is full right now. It seems they have space to start only two at the same time.
Just saw the dates of the one already build, they needed around 5 years to launch the first two but 8 years for the 3rd one Golovko. Wtf happened ?
I guess the "assembly line" is full right now. It seems they have space to start only two at the same time.
Just saw the dates of the one already build, they needed around 5 years to launch the first two but 8 years for the 3rd one Golovko. Wtf happened ?
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Isos wrote:As soon as the ones being build right now free space in shipyards after the first stage of their construction, they will start new ones.
I guess the "assembly line" is full right now....
It's not full, delay is due to pandemic
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Isos wrote:Just saw the dates of the one already build, they needed around 5 years to launch the first two but 8 years for the 3rd one Golovko. Wtf happened ?
Lack of engines. They needed the components delivered before the Banderite putsch for the first 2 units, then needed 5 years to develop their own MGTs and gearboxes. One advantage of the forced delay is that had the time to thoroughly debug the many brand new sensor & weapon systems on the 1st pre-serial unit, and now the RuN will receive a series of robust and effective warships without an absurdly-long Zumwalt/Ford-style defect list.
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https://tass.com/defense/1159349
ST. PETERSBURG, May 22. /TASS/. The St. Petersburg-based Severnaya Shipyard (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation) floated out the Project 22350 third-built and second serial-produced frigate Admiral Golovko, the Shipyard told TASS on Friday.
ST. PETERSBURG, May 22. /TASS/. The St. Petersburg-based Severnaya Shipyard (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation) floated out the Project 22350 third-built and second serial-produced frigate Admiral Golovko, the Shipyard told TASS on Friday.
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marat wrote:https://tass.com/defense/1159349
ST. PETERSBURG, May 22. /TASS/. The St. Petersburg-based Severnaya Shipyard (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation) floated out the Project 22350 third-built and second serial-produced frigate Admiral Golovko, the Shipyard told TASS on Friday.
Well, I'll be damned. Russia is still working. Never write Russia off I say
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It will be interesting to watch the sea trials of this one with the Russian built turbines. The 22350s are really sharp looking ships.
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Well, I'll be damned. Russia is still working. Never write Russia off I say
Yet you so often do...
You do understand that if they didn't lay down these ships that doesn't mean they were lying... it means they changed their plans.
If I say I am going to the beach tomorrow and then tomorrow comes and it is pissing down rain and I don't go, that does not make me a liar... it just makes me wrong.
BTW if it is pissing down rain and I go to the beach anyway because I said I was going makes me a fucking idiot...
You could argue that I should have looked at the weather forecast before I made my plans, but in this case who could possibly have foreseen a global pandemic?
Even right now we don't know when things will go back to normal, so making any new plans right now would be a nightmare...
Planning things is not simply a question of desire... I might really really want to go to the beach, but it makes no sense if it is raining and cold and I wont enjoy it.
For laying down a ship you need somewhere that can lay the ship down and there are not a lot of options there because they are not just laying it down and building the hull... they need the stuff that goes in to it to be ready to go in to it... there is no point laying down the hull of a ship if the engine and transmission wont be ready for 5 years... what that results in is a hull sitting there taking up space where other ships could be built while you are waiting for the components you need. Obviously you also need a workforce to do the work and you also need to organise all the materials you need for the build... the steel... the cabling... the electronics and pipes and of course all the computers and sensors and weapons and other bits and pieces to be ready when they are needed.
Shifting the laying down time is a pain because it shifts all the other times around too, but if it can't be helped then it can't be helped.
Plans are never set in stone and not being able to change plans leads to terrible situations... like getting a fighter plane that can't go supersonic for instance... or a new aircraft carrier that can't operate aircraft except helicopters despite it being 100 thousand tons and 16 billion dollars worth... for seagulls to shit on.
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Yup Ford Class, Littoral ships (pretty much in the dustbin at this point) Zumwalt class so many concepts that just did not work out ..Now a couple Virgina class are in dock for 2 years to fix some welds on the reactors even though they are "commissioned" this is just not easy stuff. 22350 is a huge leap in Russian naval warfare, as is Yassen class and Borei class. The progress is really immense. The nuke subs are arriving and a good clip, corvettes at a decent clip only the larger surface ships are problematic and just as they were ready to ramp up 22350 the engine supply dried up. I am still not convinced the engine supply is fully fixed. I think they will test this one, work out the bugs.. and THEN ramp up engines.
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Plans are never set in stone and not being able to change plans leads to terrible situations... like getting a fighter plane that can't go supersonic for instance... or a new aircraft carrier that can't operate aircraft except helicopters despite it being 100 thousand tons and 16 billion dollars worth... for seagulls to shit on.
Yup Ford Class, Littoral ships (pretty much in the dustbin at this point) Zumwalt class so many concepts that just did not work out ..Now a couple Virgina class are in dock for 2 years to fix some welds on the reactors even though they are "commissioned" this is just not easy stuff. 22350 is a huge leap in Russian naval warfare, as is Yassen class and Borei class. The progress is really immense. The nuke subs are arriving and a good clip, corvettes at a decent clip only the larger surface ships are problematic and just as they were ready to ramp up 22350 the engine supply dried up. I am still not convinced the engine supply is fully fixed. I think they will test this one, work out the bugs.. and THEN ramp up engines.
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Sea of change: Admiral Gorshkov frigate awaits modernization
Carriers of Zircon missile systems will receive new weapons systems and equipment
Modern Russian frigates of project 22350 are being modernized. The first in line is Admiral Gorshkov. It plans to improve electronic equipment: radars, reconnaissance equipment and electronic warfare systems. They will also update the electronic filling - it will ensure the reliable operation of Zircon missile systems. Changes were made following the operation of two ships of this series. Experts note that frigates will become more powerful and reliable.
First in a series
It is planned that similarly all frigates of project 22350 will be finalized, sources in the Ministry of Defense told Izvestia. New ships of this type will be built taking into account the experience of operating weapons systems, life support and control on existing combat units.
Full Article
https://iz.ru/1017484/aleksei-ramm-bogdan-stepovoi/more-peremen-fregat-admiral-gorshkov-zhdet-modernizatciia
Carriers of Zircon missile systems will receive new weapons systems and equipment
Modern Russian frigates of project 22350 are being modernized. The first in line is Admiral Gorshkov. It plans to improve electronic equipment: radars, reconnaissance equipment and electronic warfare systems. They will also update the electronic filling - it will ensure the reliable operation of Zircon missile systems. Changes were made following the operation of two ships of this series. Experts note that frigates will become more powerful and reliable.
First in a series
It is planned that similarly all frigates of project 22350 will be finalized, sources in the Ministry of Defense told Izvestia. New ships of this type will be built taking into account the experience of operating weapons systems, life support and control on existing combat units.
Full Article
https://iz.ru/1017484/aleksei-ramm-bogdan-stepovoi/more-peremen-fregat-admiral-gorshkov-zhdet-modernizatciia
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dino00 wrote:Sea of change: Admiral Gorshkov frigate awaits modernization
Carriers of Zircon missile systems will receive new weapons systems and equipment
Modern Russian frigates of project 22350 are being modernized. The first in line is Admiral Gorshkov. It plans to improve electronic equipment: radars, reconnaissance equipment and electronic warfare systems. They will also update the electronic filling - it will ensure the reliable operation of Zircon missile systems. Changes were made following the operation of two ships of this series. Experts note that frigates will become more powerful and reliable.
First in a series
It is planned that similarly all frigates of project 22350 will be finalized, sources in the Ministry of Defense told Izvestia. New ships of this type will be built taking into account the experience of operating weapons systems, life support and control on existing combat units.
Full Article
https://iz.ru/1017484/aleksei-ramm-bogdan-stepovoi/more-peremen-fregat-admiral-gorshkov-zhdet-modernizatciia
Good news and unsurprising given that Gorshkov was laid down in 2006. This represents the typical evolutionary improvement of technologies (plus design improvements made during the protracted commissioning of Gorshkov), those systems that will be rolled out on the serial builds (Golovko onwards?) are being retrospectively applied to Gorshkov and maybe Kasanatov.
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Good news and unsurprising given that Gorshkov was laid down in 2006. This represents the typical evolutionary improvement of technologies (plus design improvements made during the protracted commissioning of Gorshkov), those systems that will be rolled out on the serial builds (Golovko onwards?) are being retrospectively applied to Gorshkov and maybe Kasanatov.
So essentially they are going to upgrade the electronics and systems... which would be the sort of thing you would do just before you start putting it in to serial production...
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So the new thread is here:
https://www.russiadefence.net/t8089-temporary-naval-ships-thread_new-title-soon
If you go to the link and post replies there to suggest what subject you might like and which section would be relevant.
For instance how about a discussion thread about how Italy saved Americas ass regarding frigate design, or something different.
No posts or ideas for a couple of days and I will just attach it to the talking bollocks thread.
Regards
GarryB
https://www.russiadefence.net/t8089-temporary-naval-ships-thread_new-title-soon
If you go to the link and post replies there to suggest what subject you might like and which section would be relevant.
For instance how about a discussion thread about how Italy saved Americas ass regarding frigate design, or something different.
No posts or ideas for a couple of days and I will just attach it to the talking bollocks thread.
Regards
GarryB
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yeah, and now they have several years of investment and experience making electronics and sensors for ships, aircrafts and army vehicles that are on par with the best western ones...time to put those lessons to fruition...GarryB wrote:Good news and unsurprising given that Gorshkov was laid down in 2006. This represents the typical evolutionary improvement of technologies (plus design improvements made during the protracted commissioning of Gorshkov), those systems that will be rolled out on the serial builds (Golovko onwards?) are being retrospectively applied to Gorshkov and maybe Kasanatov.
So essentially they are going to upgrade the electronics and systems... which would be the sort of thing you would do just before you start putting it in to serial production...
It would be interesting to understand if at later point (life midlife upgrade, would it be possible to fit a 3rd UKSK module like it is from 5th ship onwards...
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Rodion_Romanovic wrote:yeah, and now they have several years of investment and experience making electronics and sensors for ships, aircrafts and army vehicles that are on par with the best western ones...time to put those lessons to fruition...GarryB wrote:Good news and unsurprising given that Gorshkov was laid down in 2006. This represents the typical evolutionary improvement of technologies (plus design improvements made during the protracted commissioning of Gorshkov), those systems that will be rolled out on the serial builds (Golovko onwards?) are being retrospectively applied to Gorshkov and maybe Kasanatov.
So essentially they are going to upgrade the electronics and systems... which would be the sort of thing you would do just before you start putting it in to serial production...
It would be interesting to understand if at later point (life midlife upgrade, would it be possible to fit a 3rd UKSK module like it is from 5th ship onwards...
In Russian electronics/systems before 2006 (design was before right?) and 2021-22 is a n era. Good that this is going to be new stuff putting on pair with newest western designs.
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3 newest frigates of project 22350 will go to the Pacific Fleet. The first Far Eastern registration will be "Admiral Amelko." The emergence of universal warships will allow deploying one of the most powerful and modern strike groups in the region.
In total, it is planned to release eight ships of the "admiral" series, as it is called by sailors. 3 ships will receive the Pacific and Northern Fleets, two - the Black Sea.
Full Article
https://iz.ru/1019812/aleksei-ramm-roman-kretcul-bogdan-stepovoi/prikaz-admiralam-fregaty-s-tcirkonami-usiliat-tikhookeanskii-flot
In total, it is planned to release eight ships of the "admiral" series, as it is called by sailors. 3 ships will receive the Pacific and Northern Fleets, two - the Black Sea.
Full Article
https://iz.ru/1019812/aleksei-ramm-roman-kretcul-bogdan-stepovoi/prikaz-admiralam-fregaty-s-tcirkonami-usiliat-tikhookeanskii-flot
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dino00 wrote:3 newest frigates of project 22350 will go to the Pacific Fleet. The first Far Eastern registration will be "Admiral Amelko." The emergence of universal warships will allow deploying one of the most powerful and modern strike groups in the region.
In total, it is planned to release eight ships of the "admiral" series, as it is called by sailors. 3 ships will receive the Pacific and Northern Fleets, two - the Black Sea.
Full Article
https://iz.ru/1019812/aleksei-ramm-roman-kretcul-bogdan-stepovoi/prikaz-admiralam-fregaty-s-tcirkonami-usiliat-tikhookeanskii-flot
In before PapaDragon comes in and says that the Russian Navy is a joke, Russia is a joke and there needs to be at least 80 of the Admiral Gorshkov class
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flamming_python wrote:dino00 wrote:3 newest frigates of project 22350 will go to the Pacific Fleet. The first Far Eastern registration will be "Admiral Amelko." The emergence of universal warships will allow deploying one of the most powerful and modern strike groups in the region.
In total, it is planned to release eight ships of the "admiral" series, as it is called by sailors. 3 ships will receive the Pacific and Northern Fleets, two - the Black Sea.
Full Article
https://iz.ru/1019812/aleksei-ramm-roman-kretcul-bogdan-stepovoi/prikaz-admiralam-fregaty-s-tcirkonami-usiliat-tikhookeanskii-flot
In before PapaDragon comes in and says that the Russian Navy is a joke, Russia is a joke and there needs to be at least 80 of the Admiral Gorshkov class
or even 40 would be great
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flamming_python wrote:In before PapaDragon comes in and says that the Russian Navy is a joke, Russia is a joke and there needs to be at least 80 of the Admiral Gorshkov class
PapaDragon never said there needs to be 80 of the Admiral Gorshkov class
PapaDragon did say that Russia should build Gorshkov class in more than one location simultaneously like they do with Karakurt and Steregushi
George1 wrote:or even 40 would be great
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here
For starters they should complete the 15 they originally planned because these 8 they have in the pipeline are barely enough to replace old Soviet stuff that's on it's way out
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flamming_python wrote:In before PapaDragon comes in and says that the Russian Navy is a joke, Russia is a joke and there needs to be at least 80 of the Admiral Gorshkov class
Yea, i don't think i ever heard PD go down that road.
Just the need to produce the thing in more than "1" Shipyard.
George1 wrote:or even 40 would be great
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here
For starters they should complete the 15 they originally planned because these 8 they have in the pipeline are barely enough to replace old Soviet stuff that's on it's way out
Meh, Russia always seems to have a problem getting it's ship production into the double digits.
Ideally, they should get 30~40 Gorshkovs, 10~20 Super Gorshkovs and 3~5 Liders.