Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov #2

Indeed in the Russian Navy 130mm guns were previously on destroyers (Sovremmeny) and Cruisers (Kirovs) and used for truck based coastal defence guns (Bereg).

They have joint developed with the Army, the 152mm Coalition gun, which might be used on destroyers and cruisers... it will be interesting to see if the 130mm guns of the upgraded Kirov will be fitted with a 152mm Coalition mount.

Performance is rather impressive and is in the process of being greatly extended...

A nice picture with the position of the corridors at the sides of the UKSK cells in the 22350, interesting to understand the amount of free spaces for the reported increase in the VLS capacity of the project:


If UKSK-M is simply a version with smaller clearance needs around it and compatibility with the 40-48N6 type of missiles, a 22350 with 4x VLS blocks would be substantially better armed against land/surface/submarine targets but also for AAW

bren_tann wrote:This is probably the largest caliber naval gun ever mounted on any light frigate class. By comparison, naval guns mounted on US navy  Burke destroyers and Tico cruisers are 127 mm (5 inches) and naval guns mounted on Chinese navy Type 052D heavy frigates and Type 055 destroyers are 130 mm.

Modern yes, ever nope.

Soviet DD Engels with a 305mm recolless rifle:


USS Vesuvius with 380mm dynamite guns

If UKSK-M is simply a version with smaller clearance needs around it and compatibility with the 40-48N6 type of missiles, a 22350 with 4x VLS blocks would be substantially better armed against land/surface/submarine targets but also for AAW

There was that line drawing showing it holding BUK missiles as well as S-400 and S-350 missile types but also EW rockets and odd stuff.

GarryB wrote:There was that line drawing showing it holding BUK missiles as well as S-400 and S-350 missile types but also EW rockets and odd stuff.

That was pure speculation as far as I know, just a dimensional check

Admiral Golovko frigate to join Russian Navy in 2022

In the medium term, the frigates of Project 22350 will form the basis of the ships of the far sea zone of the Northern Fleet

SEVEROMORSK, May 13. /TASS/. The Admiral Golovko Project 22350 frigate will join the Russian Navy in 2022. This was announced by the commander of the Northern Fleet, Admiral Alexander Moiseev, at a briefing for Russian and foreign journalists aboard the nuclear-powered missile cruiser Peter the Great.

According to him, in the medium term, frigates of the Admiral Gorshkov type (Project 22350) will form the basis of ships of the far sea zone of the Northern Fleet.

"The next ship will be accepted next year. It will bear the name of the legendary commander of the Great Patriotic War, Commander of the Northern Fleet Arseniy Grigoryevich Golovko, " Moiseev said.

He stressed that the ships of this project already have experience of long-distance voyages, have successfully proven themselves, and have confirmed all the inherent characteristics.

"And with the adoption of modern weapons, of course, they will increase all their characteristics," the commander added.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/11367669

Awesome to hear about increasing characteristics /s

Now start increasing numbers already

Nice shot of Admiral Gorshkov-class, Admiral Golovko, at Severnaya Verf. The mast and sensors have been installed





courtesy of @Grangere04117

No new orders this year? Last two years two new ships were ordered 4 in total.

marat wrote:No new orders this year? Last two years two new ships were ordered 4 in total.

Do they even have anywhere free they can lay down more hulls? Seems to me theyre not yet committing to raising output. Maybe they want to get more corvettes floated out first before increasing frigate output.

They are treating upgraded destroyers as frigates (ie Udaloy etc) so in that sense they are getting more frigates... perhaps they want to produce corvettes first and get them into service before moving up to frigates...

I would like to see them moving faster too, but getting it right is the most important thing really.

I honestly suspect they might give up the idea of having a large number of frigates... during the cold war the Russian Navy didn't have very many frigates at all... the main frigate type was the Krivak class and most of those were part of the KGB/MVD coastal patrol force.

I suspect they will make 6 or so Gorshkov frigates and use them as big corvettes and the follow on upgraded Gorshkov they will produce in decent numbers as a sort of light destroyer in the 8-10K class with better armament and endurance, and then go for an 18-19K ton cruiser type to replace the Kirov and Slava based upgraded ships.

8-12 cruisers and 24 odd upgraded Gorshkov destroyers and perhaps 6 frigates, that will eventually lead to 4-6 cruisers in the northern and pacific fleets, and 8 Gorshkov destroyers in the northern and pacific fleets leaving four gorshkov destroyers at the baltic and black sea fleets each and three gorshkov frigates at each of the baltic and black sea fleets, and probably about 36-46 corvettes of different types spread across the five fleets...

I guess a lot of it depends on the size of the naval groupings they want to put together... and how many ships with an endurance greater of 15 days they need. I.e how much power they want to be able to project in far seas zones/blue water. I would've thought they'd want like 10-12 gorshkov and 8 super gorshkov . Maybe they don't need so many.

"Severnaya Verf" began preparation of the frigate "Admiral Golovko" for mooring trials
Today, 10: 47

The second serial frigate "Admiral Golovko" of project 22350 is being prepared for the beginning of mooring trials. This was reported by the press service of the Severnaya Verf shipyard.

According to a press release received by Voennoye Obozreniye, the ship is completing work on the alignment of gearboxes, turbines, main diesel engines and shaft lines. The installation and electrical installation of the bow and stern main switchboards has been completed, the power supply has been launched. The preparation of the ship's service rooms is in progress.

According to previously announced data, mooring trials of the ship will begin in June 2021, the crew will move in at the end of August, and the beginning of the mooring will begin in January 2022. The transfer of the frigate is scheduled for 2022, it will become part of the Northern fleet.

"Admiral Golovko" was laid down on February 1, 2012. Unlike the lead Admiral Gorshkov and the first serial Admiral Kasatonov, which have Ukrainian gas turbine units (GTU), the Admiral Golovko has a completely Russian power plant. According to open information, the main power plant of Project 22350 frigates is a GTDA with a total capacity of 65 thousand liters. from. and diesel generators with a total capacity of 4 thousand kW.

The frigate is named in honor of Arseniy Golovorovich Golovko (1906 - 1962), a sailor - a surface naval commander of the Northern Fleet during the Great Patriotic War.

https://en.topwar.ru/183620-severnaja-verf-nachala-podgotovku-fregata-admiral-golovko-k-shvartovnym-ispytanijam.html

Why not offer other shipyards to build more as well?

miketheterrible wrote:Why not offer other shipyards to build more as well?

That likely reflects the tooling and type of construction that they can engage in. Building up factories, which includes advanced
shipyards, is not easy. We had this discussion over the Angara rocket already. There is no finger snapping of advanced production
lines into existence. I have no information what sort of retooling is occurring at other shipyards that will enable construction of
modern non-civilian ships. I don't think there is any such information available outside of superficial content.

I know at least two shipyards that had retoolings done not long ago. Kaliningrad and the one is st.peterburg. they both can do it. But possibly orders are already too much at current time.

ALAMO wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:I know at least two shipyards that had retoolings done not long ago. Kaliningrad and the one is st.peterburg.  they both can do it.  But possibly orders are already too much at current time.

It is not an issue of retooling, Mike.
I used to work in shipbuilding for years, starting bottom up.
I know how to wipe a drydock, and ended up in purchase, with $100mln projects in a pipeline.
I am a guy, who actually used to run under a craft belly, once hanged over a supports...
That is fun! as long as you forgot to be terrified
Implementing a project to a shipyard, which has not contributed to its creation, is an overall mess.
Different shipyards have different knowledge.
One talks "welding is a welding' ... well ... not true.
A shipyard can use different materials, which leads to a different experience for staff.
All of them, are using different WPSs to get a job done.
If you want to run a project in several shipyards same time, your goal is to educate tons of workers, starting from different safety procedures. Because in a yard A, that created that, delivery/assembling/access procedures are simply different.
As long as you don't run a multi-series, it does not pays off ...
8-10 psc, are hardly a multi-series, I was running a project with 30 vessels in a row.
And none was same

Training of skilled workers is one of the most painful aspects about any production line. But people think it is
of little importance and that only money and directives matter. There is a real gap between naive theorizing
and physical reality. So transitioning some shipyard into a Gorshkov production line is not an activity that
occurs in a few months. Russia will be recovering from the 1990s for decades.

The Krivak frigates were produced at several shipyards no?
It is not like there isn't a precedent.

lancelot wrote:The Krivak frigates were produced at several shipyards no?

At 3. Yantar, Kaliningrad / Zaliv, Kerch / Zhdanov, Leningrad

lancelot wrote:The Krivak frigates were produced at several shipyards no?
It is not like there isn't a precedent.

But after USSR broke apart the shipyards were neglected. It takes decades of hard work to rebuild the shipyards to the standards they can manufacture modern frigates.

kvs wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:Why not offer other shipyards to build more as well?

That likely reflects the tooling and type of construction that they can engage in.   Building up factories, which includes advanced
shipyards, is not easy.   We had this discussion over the Angara rocket already.    There is no finger snapping of advanced production
lines into existence.    I have no information what sort of retooling is occurring at other shipyards that will enable construction of
modern non-civilian ships.    I don't think there is any such information available outside of superficial content.

Well the Chinese seem to do it easily enough with western tech, despite being sanctioned in regards to military and space tech since tianenmen. They seem to be building and Lau ching long March rockets at a large pace.

Since this example is off topic, Ill use also the exame that all Chinese frigates and destroyers use reverse engineered zorya mashproekt turbines. How did they reverse engineer them so fast and set up high precision production lines for them, while the russian USC can't even get zvezda to produce shitty little obsolete marine diesels?

kvs wrote:

ALAMO wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:I know at least two shipyards that had retoolings done not long ago. Kaliningrad and the one is st.peterburg.  they both can do it.  But possibly orders are already too much at current time.

It is not an issue of retooling, Mike.
I used to work in shipbuilding for years, starting bottom up.
I know how to wipe a drydock, and ended up in purchase, with $100mln projects in a pipeline.
I am a guy, who actually used to run under a craft belly, once hanged over a supports...
That is fun! as long as you forgot to be terrified
Implementing a project to a shipyard, which has not contributed to its creation, is an overall mess.
Different shipyards have different knowledge.
One talks "welding is a welding' ... well ... not true.
A shipyard can use different materials, which leads to a different experience for staff.
All of them, are using different WPSs to get a job done.
If you want to run a project in several shipyards same time, your goal is to educate tons of workers, starting from different safety procedures. Because in a yard A, that created that, delivery/assembling/access procedures are simply different.
As long as you don't run a multi-series, it does not pays off ...
8-10 psc, are hardly a multi-series, I was running a project with 30 vessels in a row.
And none was same

Training of skilled workers is one of the most painful aspects about any production line.   But people think it is
of little importance and that only money and directives matter.   There is a real gap between naive theorizing
and physical reality.    So transitioning some shipyard into a Gorshkov production line is not an activity that
occurs in a few months.   Russia will be recovering from the 1990s for decades.

Maybe some Chinese style re-education camps will help, since the Chinese destroyers seem to be built and be working just fine