Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov #2

Only issue would be the engine because it would need more powerfull ones. I think that's why they don't start this class.

A ship straight outta the deepest darkest nightmares of Western Naval officers.

The SG is definitely the only feasible Destroyer for the Russian navy (thanks to the Gorshkov), but this ain't gonna be some few extra months.

AlfaT8 wrote:
What???

Granted there is high degree of commonalty with the Gorshkov, especially with the weapon systems, but we are still looking at a considerable increase in size.
And we have some new systems like the S-400 and the new Pantsirs.

Seriously, the weapons load alone tells you that this is gonna be big, we have 15x8 UKSKs that's a 7+ fold increase in Cruise/AShM missiles alone, we got 24x8 Reduts a 6 fold increase in Short-to-Medium ranged AA missiles and 24 S-400 cells, each cell with at least 8 missile tubes each (Slava) so 24x8 Long-to-Very long ranged missiles (Yes, they could put 4 extra medium ranged missile in each tube).
And 2 Pantsirs with reloading capabilities.

A ship straight outta the deepest darkest nightmares of Western Naval officers.

The SG is definitely the only feasible Destroyer for the Russian navy (thanks to the Gorshkov), but this ain't gonna be some few extra months.

hoom wrote:Its the same model twice, so yeah both times it had 15*8 UKSK

120 UKSK cells is mental & there is no way thats possible on an 8Kton ship.
Upgraded 24Kton Nakhimov will have 80.
The pagoda mast Lider model for a ~17Kton ship has only 48 or 64 (depending on interpretation of hatches).

this is the only model i have seen, it was present in 2017 and the recent 2018 expo

hoom wrote:

this is the only model i have seen, it was present in 2017 and the recent 2018 expo

Model is present yes but its not labelled as far as I've seen, just there in the stand, no comment.
So ppl have been guessing/assuming that its 22350M due to the similarity in form, except clearly it must be representing something much bigger like a Lider.

Source: Russian Navy will order two more frigates of the type "Admiral Gorshkov"

The Russian Navy and the United Shipbuilding Corporation are considering the possibility of ordering several more frigates of the project 22350 type "Admiral Gorshkov". Mil.Press FlotProm was informed about this by two high-level informed sources in the industry.

According to the first source, we are talking about the order of the "Northern Shipyard" of two more frigates.

Relevant consultations with the ship's designer, the Northern PKB, are already underway.

Frigate "Admiral Gorshkov"
Frigate "Admiral Gorshkov"
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Another source reported the desire of the Navy to get not two, but at least three or four ships of project 22350. The


interlocutors of Mil.Press FlotProm in the management of the United Shipbuilding Corporation and the Northern Shipyard, which is building the first series of frigates, did not confirm this information, but did not disprove . A source at USC said the corporation was able to build both two and four ships.

In August 2018, the general director of Severnaya Verf, Igor Ponomarev, said in an exclusive interview with Mil.Press FlotProm that the company was able to simultaneously build eight frigates of the project 22350.
As one of the designers of the Northern PKB told the publication, the fleet planned to order the construction of eight, then only six such ships. However, the series was reduced to four units due to lack of funds. Now they want to continue it again.
Officially, information on the construction of an additional series of frigates was not confirmed by the publication. Corresponding requests were sent to the fleet and to the USC. According to the ex-commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Viktor Chirkov, the fleet needs at least 18 frigates of project 22350 and 36 corvettes of project 20380 (20385/20386).

The shipbuilding program until 2020 provided for the construction of eight frigates of project 22350. To date, only the lead ship of the Admiral Gorshkov series has been transferred to the fleet . The second frigate, the Admiral Kasatonov , is planned to be commissioned in the autumn of 2019. They want to complete the whole series by 2022.

The frigates of project 22350 will be replaced by a series of ships of project 22350M, which in the industry have been nicknamed “Super Gorshkovy”. According to the newspaper, as of November 15, 2018, the Northern PKB did not contract their design. The construction of the "M-series" was announced in 2014 by Viktor Chirkov, who served as commander-in-chief of the Navy from May 2012 to April 2016. The Russian fleet needs about 10 “Super-Gorshkovykh”, which will occupy an intermediate position between the frigates of the traditional displacement of 4,500–5,000 tons and promising destroyers. Project 22350M ships will receive a displacement of about 8,000 tons. The Northern Shipyard will be able to build them if it completes the modernization of production facilities on time.

George1 wrote:The cutting-edge frigate Admiral Kasatonov will enter sea trials in December 2018

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GunshipDemocracy wrote:

GarryB wrote:

An important point is that these ramjets don't need to get the shell airborne and moving... they could simply operate in an idle mode and reduce air drag to zero with a very low throttle setting to extend fuel burn time and maximise range...

BTW they are putting 130mm guns on frigates... I would think a destroyer would need a bigger and better gun, and certainly a cruiser could do with something better too...

A 152mm gun for destroyers, and a 203mm gun for cruisers makes sense...

with 180 range ti definitely would make sense to have a piece of artillery on board. El cheapo replacement for Kh-25 or any cruise missile to bomb shore installations.  I've never heard about 203 mm on ships now, although Russian destroyers will have likely close ~2x "Washingtonian" heavy cruisers' displacement

Northern PKB began preliminary design of a frigate of the project 22350M

On December 25, the Northern Design Bureau (SPKB) signed a contract for preliminary design of the frigate of the project 22350M. About this on Friday, December 28, Mil.Press FlotProm said an industry source familiar with the situation.


The work will be completed by November 2019 or earlier, another source told the publication.




one of variants 22350M,

Designing an enlarged version of Admiral Gorshkov will take 2-2.5 years, and construction will take 4-5 years, added the source Mil.Press FlotProm. The proposed construction works are the St. Petersburg "Severnaya Verf" or the Kaliningrad factory "Yantar" (both enterprises are part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation - USK).
The journalists of the publication could not officially confirm the signing of the contract either in the Special Design Bureau, or in the USC, or in the Main Committee of the Navy. At the same time, the design frigate bureau has already conducted certain pre-design works in accordance with the wishes of the Russian Navy, including on an initiative basis. The beginning of the design of the Northern PKB of the modernized frigates of the project 22350M was announced on July 28, 2018 by the Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Vice Admiral Viktor Bursuk.

A series of ships of the project type 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov" limited to only four ships. It is planned to be completed by the end of 2022.

Chief Advisor to the President of USC Viktor Chirkov ratedthe need of the Russian Navy in frigates of the project 22350 in 18 units. He made such a statement on August 22 at the round table "The Role of Shipbuilding in Strengthening Russia's Naval Potential and Its Economic Power" at the Forum-2018 forum. He also criticized the short series, calling them harmful to the industry and the fleet. Admiral Chirkov from May 2012 to April 2016 served as commander in chief of the Russian Navy.
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Project 22350M frigates will have a displacement of about 8,000 tons. The Northern Shipyard will be able to build them if it completes the modernization of production facilities on time.

Earlier it was reported that the Russian fleet needs about 10 ships of the project 22350M, which will take an intermediate position between the frigates of the traditional displacement of 4,500-5,000 tons and destroyers.

Northern PKB began preliminary design of a frigate of the project 22350M

Hmm, looking pretty rough, not particularly finished there & wtf are those lighter rectangles in some of the Polment panels? Suspect

hoom wrote:Hmm, looking pretty rough, not particularly finished there & wtf are those lighter rectangles in some of the Polment panels?

Isos wrote:Seriously they fucked up with the gorshkov class so badly.

Big_Gazza wrote:

hoom wrote:Hmm, looking pretty rough, not particularly finished there & wtf are those lighter rectangles in some of the Polment panels?

The radar panels are clad with protective covers.  That is to be expected for initial sea trials.

Looking pretty rough?  That's just paintwork imperfections, and is pretty usual for Russian ships that get paint touch-ups in cold conditions which affects colour matching. Russians have far greater tolerance for such things than Western navies (who are more prone to preen their feathers and strut about like peacocks).

Isos wrote:Seriously they fucked up with the gorshkov class so badly.

Don't be a prat.  22350s have been delayed due to the lack of availability of MGTs and suffered some lengthy teething problems with their all-new weapons, radars and sensors.  The design and equipment fit appears to be perfectly sound.  Pls define what is "fucked up", or kindly desist with the idiotic trolling.

Don't be a prat. 22350s have been delayed due to the lack of availability of MGTs and suffered some lengthy teething problems with their all-new weapons, radars and sensors. The design and equipment fit appears to be perfectly sound. Pls define what is "fucked up", or kindly desist with the idiotic trolling.

Hole wrote:How many times did someone explain that the production was slowed down because of the issues with the gas turbines? A hundred times? More? And still there are that won´t get it.