Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov #2

Isos wrote:Engines can be installed at the end. They could have build the ships while engines are created.

No, they can't. No-one in his right mind would commit to starting work on a series of hulls without an assured engine supply or detailed arrangement drawings that define the engineering interfaces.The Russian navy did the right thing, ie reallocate funds to other projects while completing the two units for which they have delivered powerplants and do so over a lengthened schedule to fully shake-down the design and certify them for service. Gorhskov first, test the absolute sht outta it while completing Kasanatov as a snails pace so engineering fixes from Gorshkov testing can be accommodated into the build and expensive rework avoided.

Russia's naval priority remains her submarines because they are what scares the Seppostani Continuum. She is building 6x serial Yasens, an extended run of Borei II, repairing almost her entire fleet of 971s, modernizing half of the 949A and rolling out new SSKs.  Setbacks on the Gorshkov program due to Ukropi treachery is a relatively minor matter.

Isos wrote:Grigorovitch is almost the same size/weight with VLS too.

No, the 11356s are MUCH inferior in terms of weapons and sensors.  Only 1 single UKSK, a much less capable BUK/Shtil AAM, Soviet-era radar tech (updated) and only 1x 100mm artillery. AFAIK they were originally built as a stop-gap measure or a hedge against 22350 project failure.  They are suitable for the near-abroad like Black Sea and Baltic, but they are inadequate as "ships-of-the-line" for a reincarnated Russian blue water force.  

Isos wrote:They also mention Super Gorshkov while no one says what it is. They gave a funny maket with hundreds of VLS that is only a pure joke.

Its called marketing.  Everyone does it, even state-owned companies. Dangle a baited line in front of the noses of government ministers or Navy brass and hopefully they will bite.

Don't get too upset over the less than stellar current performance of Russia's surface ship building industry.  She had to restart from a ruined and neglected base and it was always going to be a hard slog.

Big_Gazza wrote:

Russia's naval priority remains her submarines because they are what scares the Seppostani Continuum. She is building 6x serial Yasens, an extended run of Borei II, repairing almost her entire fleet of 971s, modernizing half of the 949A and rolling out new SSKs.  Setbacks on the Gorshkov program due to Ukropi treachery is a relatively minor matter.

and subs will remain such, both manned and unmanned as recently commander of RuN said in interview about new subs: able to deal with situations in any point of ocean...

BG wrote:

Isos wrote:They also mention Super Gorshkov while no one says what it is. They gave a funny maket with hundreds of VLS that is only a pure joke.

Its called marketing.  Everyone does it, even state-owned companies. Dangle a baited line in front of the noses of government ministers or Navy brass and hopefully they will bite.

Don't get too upset over the less than stellar current performance of Russia's surface ship building industry.  She had to restart from a ruined and neglected base and it was always going to be a hard slog.

actually not necessarily. IMHO that's implementation recently famous " universal ships of far sea zone with strengthen attack and defense abilities" with 8,000 kt if standard they are sized close to Ticonderoga cruisers (,9600t full.

The radar panels are clad with protective covers

I think you're right.
This is a slightly older pic, the odd rectangles I'm seeing appears to be some kind of warning notice attached to the cover.

MOSCOW, January 9. /TASS/. The second Project 22350 frigate Admiral Kasatonov built at the Severnaya Verf Shipyard in St. Petersburg in northwest Russia has successfully completed shipbuilders’ sea trials, Russian Navy spokesman Igor Dygalo said on Wednesday.

More:
http://tass.com/defense/1039259

A follow up on

What's the status on the 3rd ship Admiral Golovko?

Via Balancer this is supposedly 4th ship Isakov about Nov.

Presumably thats the one I was seeing on Google Earth.
So either 3rd ship Golovko is in the shed and further advanced or that is actually a pic of Golovko instead?

Edit: this is Golovko


Edit2: also Isakov

New Gorshkov-Class Frigates Will Carry More Caliber Missiles, Officials Say

The new Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov-class frigates, which keel-laying is being discussed by Russian authorities, the defense ministry and United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), are to be equipped with other eight cruise missiles Caliber, an informed insider told Mil.Press Today.

Project 22350 serial frigates carry 16 Caliber missiles, thus, the upgraded version will receive 24 cruise missiles of that type. The point is not a modification 22350M, but redesigning of the basic project 22350, emphasized the interviewee.

http://mil.today/2019/Navy33/

Interesting
Not entirely obvious where they can fit without at least some reworking

Maaaybe just enough room between existing ones & the bridge? But I don't like the idea of big explodey stuff so close to the bridge.

Currently either side of the UKSK are the Packet launchers so something like 3 wide (rotated 90 deg) would need to move the Packet launchers, I do seem to recall some mention of Packet being relocated...

hoom wrote:Interesting
Not entirely obvious where they can fit without at least some reworking

http://i33.fastpic.ru/big/2014/0316/7d/bc0e64705d06576673b3ab42e7b0967d.jpg

Maaaybe just enough room between existing ones & the bridge? But I don't like the idea of big explodey stuff so close to the bridge.

Currently either side of the UKSK are the Packet launchers so something like 3 wide (rotated 90 deg) would need to move the Packet launchers, I do seem to recall some mention of Packet being relocated...

Just remove that 120mm gun overkill, replace it with 75mm one (like every sensible person) and voilà!
You got all the space you need and then some for extra Redut package.

130mm and 76mm.

Instead of puting them one behind the other, they can put them side by side turned by 90° compare to now.

Seems the obvious option but as I said the Packet launchers are there, need to be moved elsewhere first.

Gorshkov next to Dmitri Donskoy


There is probably a bit of lens/perspective action there but Donskoy looks surprisingly little from this angle.

Frigate "Admiral Isakov" | Northern Shipyard, Saint Petersburg.

This unit ,ust get hot given the cooling fins all over it.

RIA Novosti reports that Ruselectronics' 5P42 Filin visual-optical interference stations have been placed on the Admiral Gorshkov and Kasatonov Project 22350 frigates. The 5P42 is designed to counter laser range finders, NVGs, and ATGM guidance systems. https://ria.ru/20190202/1550285753.html …

The frigate “Admiral of the Kasaton fleet” of project 22350 will be transferred to the Russian Navy in 2019

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3531707.html

Admiral Gorshkov frigate on the first long voyage

Right now, Norwegian coast guard approaching Gorshkov for the first time:




https://www.marinetraffic.com/sl/ais/home/centerx:3.8/centery:62.5/zoom:11

This is dangerous. Norwegians and ship traffic…

Meanwhile deep in Scottish bays



Gorshkov in Moray Firth some 20 nm or 40 km from Scottish coastline. The group has been joined by tanker Kama, so it's 4 ships now. People on Balancer suggesting it's encircling the world and returning in August.

Sheltering from a storm or refuelling?

Project 22350 Admiral Sergey Gorshkov, the most extensive compilation in Spanish

https://armasrusasb.blogspot.com/2019/03/proyecto-22350-almirante-sergey-gorshkov.html

hoom wrote:Sheltering from a storm or refuelling?

This evil russians are working on a new scottish referendum to brake GB into pieces.

Hole wrote:

hoom wrote:Sheltering from a storm or refuelling?

This evil russians are working on a new scottish referendum to brake GB into pieces.

Ironically enough everything under the sun is being scapegoated as 'Russkie Sabotage'......who would've thought McCarthysim would could come back in style, lead by 'Leftists' no-doubt?

Sheltering from a storm or refuelling?

Tass now says it was an exercise. Though Northern fleet HQ have mentioned stormy weather in the Northern sea. Otherwise we'd probably see half of RN ships.

До этого отряд кораблей отрабатывал "задачи по противодиверсионной обороне при стоянке на незащищенном рейде и противовоздушной обороне с выполнением слежения за воздушными целями радиотехническими средствами" в заливе Мори Ферт (север Шотландии - прим. ТАСС), уточнили в пресс- службе.

"Putin Weaponises Storm to sow Dissent and Separatism!" -Guardian headline probably

There is precedent for Russian ships sheltering there, K did it in 2011 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/8956262/Russian-warships-park-30-miles-off-Britain-to-shelter-from-storm.html