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It is being reported today, quoting the Iranian Defence Minister, that Iran is close to ordering an undisclosed number of Sukhoi Su-30's.
I posted the links here, in the last post.

https://www.russiadefence.net/t3742p45-russia-iran-military-cooperation

GunshipDemocracy wrote:
Iran is considering the option of equipping the Russian air force su-30

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160210/1372363476.html#ixzz3zn5m8ptc

Why not MiG-35? would not be cheaper. Or also Yak-130 based light fighter in big numbers.

I think this is mainly down to the fact Iran will want to produce the aircraft long term, and the Iranian like the chinese like to copy equipment so maybe Russia doesn't want them to copy their new baby(Mig-35).

Su-30 is more than enough for the Iranians and much better than they currently have. Iran should have there Su-24 and Su-25 upgraded, and look to phase out the american aircraft it currently has as well as stop its home grown projects which is just copies of F5's with a few upgrades a waste of money. If their Mig-29's are in reasonable shape these could be upgraded to SMT level. I doubt Yak-130 will be purchased anytime soon considering that Iran has 30x HESA Azarakhsh, 6x HESA Saeqeh, 60x Northrop F-5 Tiger II(modernised), and 20x Chengdu F-7 Airguard, and they have some Mig-29, and F5 trainers along with 25x HESA Dorna trainers, so the need for Yak-130 is slim. They will no doubt want to replace F4 phantoms, F14 tomcats, and Mirage F1's first, even thought the F4's have had some upgrades done to what extend i dont know, the aircraft themselves are getting old especially the F14's. Also to note that Iran was building the HESA Shafaq which was very similar to the Yak-130 but with stealth capabilities such as radar absorbing paint etc.

Iran ideally needs to buy a mix of Su-30/Su-35 and Mig-29M2, and Su-34, to replace F-14, F4, F5, Mirage F1, and Chengdu F-7

i would also buy a mix of Mi-35 and Mi-28. Iran is lacking decent attack helicopters, the Toufan a copy of the american cobra is ok but they don't seem to be producing any in any great numbers and they are really only suited for scout/light attack, the  american made cobra's are getting pretty old and need to be replaced. Another option for light attack/scout if the Iranian wanted to give up on its toufan would be the Kazan Ansat-2RC (armed Ansat), and i am sure Russia would be willing to sell the production rights to the Ansat which would also be an ideal replacement for the Iranian's bell 214's and 205's. Iran produces their own Bell 205's the Panha Shabaviz 2-75 but i think the Ansat would be a better option. Another option for the Iranians is to replace their old CH-47 Chinooks with Mi-26T2.

Also their C-130 hercules which must be getting to the stage of being taken out of service could be replaced with IL-76's

the only thing really that the Iranian's dont need to purchase are UAV's this is a field despite sanctions have managed to produce fairly decent UAV's. (Russia take note).

so to re-cap

Buy

Su-30/35,
Su-34
Mig 29M2
Mi-35
Mi-28
Ansat and Ansat 2RC  
Mi-26T2
Il-76

and then use the F5's and Chengdu F-7 as trainers, slowly replacing them with Yak-130 in the distant future. And cancel the Iranian made fixed wing programmes, and whats already built use as trainers, or better send their 30x Azarakhsh and 6x Saeqeh to Syria with Iranian pilots.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:
Iran is considering the option of equipping the Russian air force su-30

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160210/1372363476.html#ixzz3zn5m8ptc

Why not MiG-35? would not be cheaper. Or also Yak-130 based light fighter in big numbers.

I think this is mainly down to the fact Iran will want to produce the aircraft long term, and the Iranian like the chinese like to copy equipment so maybe Russia doesn't want them to copy their new baby(Mig-35).

It is not abut love to copy but in case of severe sanctions to be able to do at least at copy level. Russia also denied S-300 influenced by zionist lobby. MiG-35 export version is still better then Su-30 not as a platform but as a multifunctional platform that still can do the job and better in terms of cost-effectiveness.


MiG-29M?as a stopgap before MiG-35 arrived agreed. Other planes? Su-34? Su-30? sure nice BUT costs would kill Iran.

d_taddei2 wrote:
I doubt Yak-130 will be purchased anytime soon considering that Iran has 30x HESA Azarakhsh, 6x HESA Saeqeh, 60x Northrop F-5 Tiger II(modernised), and 20x Chengdu F-7 Airguard, and they have some Mig-29, and F5 trainers along with 25x HESA Dorna trainers, so the need for Yak-130 is slim.

Well F-5 as a airframe might be OK but IMHO is not even close anything like Yak-130 in terms of avionics.

You mentioned Saegeh - was in large part designed by MiG. Still in their money state (military budget like 14BLN $/yr) and  dire needs lotsa localized fairly simple but effektive fighters (Yak-135? ) IMHO makes more sense then 12 or 24 Su-30.

Logistics also had price: as little models as possible an das many unified capable platforms.

d_taddei2 wrote:
i would also buy a mix of Mi-35 and Mi-28. Iran is lacking decent attack helicopters, the Toufan a copy of

Ansat is very light, mi-2 class. Good choice wtr costs but I am still convinced Mi-24 (upgraded and overhauled form Russian stocks are better) and eventually licensed  Mi-35.

d_taddei2 wrote:
the only thing really that the Iranian's dont need to purchase are UAV's this is a field despite sanctions have managed to produce fairly decent UAV's. (Russia take note).

Iran´s UAV are build as reverse engineering or with usage of commercial modules. Russia cannot  offer heavy class based on PAK-FA and other make no sense indeed.

i agree the Mig-35 is indeed a great aircraft i think the only thing the Su-30 has on the Mig-35 is more range. And of course i would rather see the
Yak-130 (armed) being flown by the Iranians i just dont see it happening due the number of F5 still in service and most have now had upgrades to which extend i dont know, and even if they were to come out of the armed role could still be used for trainers for some years, and like i said in the distant future that Yak-130 would be a good choice to buy. On the Mi-24 subject i thought most of the Mi24 frame in Russian service were nearing the end of their airframe life. Like i mention on the Ansat these would be bought to replace the Bell 214 and 205 which is pretty similar in size, and that the armed version Ansat 2RC would be ideal for scout/light attack, a mix of Mi-35 and these would be ideal. What i meant by Russia take note i feel this is an area where the Russian's compared to other countries are still lacking and behind on, i know they have had UAV/drones for over a 50yrs but projects like the Mikoyan Skat being cancelled etc, but i have to admit i aint upto speed on UAV/UCAV Russian development as i haven't heard much news on the matter.

Yak-130 won and there´s not much sense to loose capacity on 2 different lines. I am big fan of light fighter based on Yak-130 components. Or MiG LFI with vertical landing

The Yak-152 is a turboprop basic trainer.

A Yak-130 is a jet powered lead in fighter trainer... they are totally different and it would make sense to use both rather than one or the other.

The turboprop you learn the very basics of flight and flight manouvers.

The lead in fighter trainer you learn more complex things like controlling a multi engined aircraft and navigation and basic weapons.

When you get to the unit you are assigned to then you learn in detail proper navigation and weapons operation, but you can use the LIFT for getting hours experience flying and keeping up your basic skills.

From my understandung they replaced the american components on the lates of PS engines.

I think I remember reading the PS-90A2 or A3 was an all Russian design with Russian parts.

Ahh... yes... both LIFTs...

It is a shame for the MiG-AT as it seems to be a good aircraft... but it does not make sense to have both.

i think Iran should replace all its American military hardware, and to a certain degree some of its home grown upgraded USA copies.


replace the following with Russian equipment would be good for both countries.

CH-47 Chinook
C-130
F-5
F-14
F-4
P-3

and should also replace french Mirage F1 and chinese J-7

and they should also replace all its USA artillery and armour, even a 50/50 mix of T-90 and upgraded T-72 (about 600 of each)
and have its remaining 720 T-72 upgraded (including Safir-74). And for its AFV and wheeled APC replace them with BMP-3, and BTR-82A, and have its BMP-1 and BMP-2 upgraded.

Solncepek wrote:POOR RUSSIA...

Россия не планирует поставлять Ирану танки или истребители, боевые платформы попадают под ограничение, заявил глава ФСВТС Андрей Фомин.

«Нет, не планируем», — сказал Фомин, отвечая на соответствующий вопрос журналистов.

Боевые платформы — универсальная базовая ходовая часть, используемая для производства различных видов военной техники сухопутных войск — танки, бронетранспортеры, боевые машины пехоты.

«Боевые платформы все попадают под ограничение. Когда будут раскрепощены соответствующие ограничения, тогда, возможно, и поговорим. На сегодняшний день разрешено только стрелковое вооружение и прочие нелетальные средства, средства ПВО, локация. Танки, самолеты, корабли, ракеты, которые предназначены для нападения, скажем так, то это все попадает под санкции ООН», — добавил Фомин.

most people on here dont understand Russian and the forum is in english so why post in Russian???? English please.

d_taddei2 wrote:

Solncepek wrote:POOR RUSSIA...

Россия не планирует поставлять Ирану танки или истребители, боевые платформы попадают под ограничение, заявил глава ФСВТС Андрей Фомин.

«Нет, не планируем», — сказал Фомин, отвечая на соответствующий вопрос журналистов.

Боевые платформы — универсальная базовая ходовая часть, используемая для производства различных видов военной техники сухопутных войск — танки, бронетранспортеры, боевые машины пехоты.

«Боевые платформы все попадают под ограничение. Когда будут раскрепощены соответствующие ограничения, тогда, возможно, и поговорим. На сегодняшний день разрешено только стрелковое вооружение и прочие нелетальные средства, средства ПВО, локация. Танки, самолеты, корабли, ракеты, которые предназначены для нападения, скажем так, то это все попадает под санкции ООН», — добавил Фомин.

most people on here dont understand Russian and the forum is in english so why post in Russian???? English please.

The idiot is talking about the lack of sales of mil equip to Iran.

Solncepek wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

The idiot...

Personal insult - i understand his anger to this news - but his behaviour is unacceptable...
Mod, please act!

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Especially for  d_taddei2 :


Russia has no intention of selling tanks to Iran, the chief of the federal service for military-technical cooperation Alexander Fomin has said, TASS reports.

"Such deals might be possible only when the bans are gone. Tanks, ships, missiles and other attack weapons fall under UN sanctions," he said.

The official has also pointed out that Russia is not working on "absolutely new " contracts to supply Iran with weapons.

thanks but i find this hard to believe considering that S-300 has now been deliver wouldn't this come under your so called bans? S-300 is more of a threat than tanks. I personally think there will be some big deals coming, along with production set ups in Iran most likely for Su-30, Mi-17, T-90, but with initial order first delivered from Russia then rest build in Iran

Personal insult - i understand his anger to this news - but his behaviour is unacceptable...
Mod, please act!

You are quite right, but the problem is that you have not read his post properly... he stated, and I quote...

The idiot is talking about the lack of sales of mil equip to Iran.

It is however clear that the idiot talking about lack of sales is the person who wrote the article... did you write the article, or did you just post it.

While I have my Mods hat on, you also broke the rules in posting an article without english translation... this is an english forum and it clearly states in the rules not to post in foreign languages without translations into english...


You still want action from a mod?

Iranian Army Su-24 Crashes in Fars Province, Both Pilots Survived

http://sputniknews.com/military/20160710/1042724892/iran-army-jet-crash.html

Just thought i would share a pic of IRIAF Kite stand-off sub-munitions dispenser

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Read more: https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201611231047766778-tehran-jets-purchase-ministry/