Ukraine halts all military cooperation with Russia

Some interesting details in this article (nevermind the russophobe propaganda). 15 billion (!) in orders to Ukraine's MIC made or planned by Russia, equal to this so called IMF "loan", hence the ukrainian MIC is very reluctant to obey the cooperation ban imposed by the US puppets. Probably the best thing for Russia is to get as much stuff out as possible (especially helicopter engines and missile parts), as quickly as possible, before the ban is actually forcefully enacted. Would also be nice to get the damn factories and best ukrainian workers out too, and relocate them in Russia!

Either way, unfortunately for Ukraine and for the thousands of workers, thanks to the US puppets their MIC is finished... unless they actually do take a lesson from US (run by the MIC and corporations), take things into their own hands  and chase out the junta and neo-nazi scum!  

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-06-03/why-some-ukrainian-defense-contractors-are-still-doing-business-with-russia

Well, thats it.

Ukraine stops supplies of components under defense contracts with RussiaUkraine stops supplies of components under defense contracts with Russia

And just like that, divide and conquer works again.

This is actually a really good illustration of how both Ukraine and Russia are losers in this mess, and the only one to gain anything from it...well, I'll let you be the judge of just who is that... But if logic is a remotely important part of your thinking process, you'll be able to deduct that it's usually the party that gains the most from a situation that is actually instigating it...as per the great thinkers (philosophers and historians). Of course the other parties being ignorant helps the puppet-master in a great way.

As expected ....

Russia Says Ukraine Refuses to Return Advance Payments for Defense Contracts

Viktor wrote:As expected ....

Russia Says Ukraine Refuses to Return Advance Payments for Defense Contracts

Then Russia should make western Ukraine freeze and start supplying Eastern Ukrainians. Diplomacy wont do Russia amy good, as westerners and their institutions will do what they can to deny Russia.

sepheronx wrote:

Viktor wrote:As expected ....

Russia Says Ukraine Refuses to Return Advance Payments for Defense Contracts

Then Russia should make western Ukraine freeze and start supplying Eastern Ukrainians. Diplomacy wont do Russia amy good, as westerners and their institutions will do what they can to deny Russia.

That's not technically possible unless Russian engineers are physically present.
Unless you're suggesting...    in which case, I don't mind at all

novo- 

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RF by 2016 will test gas turbines for warships


St. Petersburg engine plant to substitute Ukraine imports with own output by 2015

2014 - 60 helicopter engines
2015 - 120 helicopter engines
later - 500+


APC under import substitution to ramp up production of aircraft engines

These sanctions will in the end, result in the significant increase of Russian manufacturing capability...there's already an uptick this year

Cyberspec wrote:These sanctions will in the end, result in the significant increase of Russian manufacturing capability...there's already an uptick this year

While the west screams about EBIL Russia regarding all of this. Ukrainians must be feeling like they are idiots now. But they shouldn't be feeling it now, since I have known this for over a decade.

I remember when my grandmother would tell me what her mother would say about Ukraine and Ukrainians (she came to Canada in 1928 to be exact from Lviv): Don't trust a Ukrainian as they are good at backstabbing each other for a loaf of bread". Seems what she said is true to today, but replace bread with a couple million printed Zimbabwean dollars.

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Plant "Motor Sich" supplies engines Kazan helicopter plant ahead of schedule, nothing will prevent the execution of the contract

Damn ...

Ukrainian company "Motor Sich" suspended deliveries to the Russian Federation

Very short sighted of the Ukrainian politicians to halt this trade.

For a short period their might be some delays in certain areas of Russian military production, but at the end of the day the weapons will be produced eventually and with domestic production more of Russias money will remain within Russia in the pockets of Russians.

Ukrainian workers on the other hand will have to find buyers for their products... and most of the EU have their own producers to think of... you wont see the next UK Frigate with Ukrainian gas turbine engines...

A few eastern european countries might buy Ukrainian engines for new ships but how many are building new ships at the moment? Especially when their fruit and veg growers are going to have to go for a year without exports to Russia?

If I owned Motor Sich I would move the entire company to Russia along with any workers that wanted to go... there would be no future in the Ukraine.

Hopefully they do have an smart back up plan to offset this situation.

There was an article in a US newspaper (can't find the source) where it clearly stated that nothing has stopped the shipping of helicopter engines and ship gears to Russia. The Motor Sich factory boss in Zaporozhie mentioned that they know about the ban to ship goods to Russia but that "no one has instructed them to stop shipments". So it is business as usual.
Also, in an interview with Arms-tass, the Kazan helicopter plant said that Ukrainian engines are arriving on time and as per plan and that there are no disruptions.

Politics is something, business is something else.

you are right and Im glad for it

Multi-year contract with "Russian Helicopters" is successful - the head of "Motor Sich"

A couple of days ago, I read on Itar-Tass that helicopter engines are exempt from Ukraine sanctions on military related equipment export to Russia.

These guys are pure comedy....

TheArmenian wrote: A couple of days ago, I read on Itar-Tass that helicopter engines are exempt from Ukraine sanctions on military related equipment export to Russia.

These guys are pure comedy....

LOL I did not saw that LOL ...

Motor Sich must have twisted some arms to get that exemption (or just plain threatened to leave ukraine with all their staff?)

sheytanelkebir wrote:Motor Sich must have twisted some arms to get that exemption (or just plain threatened to leave ukraine with all their staff?)

Definitly the later.

Nice start

APC will issue 150 helicopter engines in 2015

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"Motor Sich" on schedule supplies engines to the Kazan Helicopter Plant

Ukraine has being substituted ....

Borisov: Up to 200 samples depended on arms supplies to Ukraine

MOSCOW, January 13 - RIA Novosti. From the supply of components to the Ukrainian enterprises in varying degrees dependent on 186 samples of arms and military equipment, the armament of the Russian army, told reporters Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov.
"The refusal of the Ukrainian manufacturers (of supply) does not affect the execution of the State Program of arms and the state defense order in 2014, which is confirmed by our performance," - he said. The deputy minister said that in the summer of 2014, Russian President approved the graphics import substitution Ukrainian products.

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Russia found a replacement Ukrainian and Western equipment for the army

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2015Engines for the Yak-130 began to produce parts without Ukrainian