Georgia Μilitary: News and Modernisation

Also https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3362196.html
I'm confused as heck by this

Thats a great big presumably powerful radar but then just linked with a couple of trucks with manually operated twin 6km manpad launchers.
Seems like a severe mismatch of capabilities.

Maybe there will be MICA later? Even then I'd say thats more radar than necessary.

hoom wrote:Also https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3362196.html
I'm confused as heck by this

Thats a great big presumably powerful radar but then just linked with a couple of trucks with manually operated twin 6km manpad launchers.
Seems like a severe mismatch of capabilities.

Maybe there will be MICA later? Even then I'd say thats more radar than necessary.

Yes I also speculate MICAs will be added. There were apparently 4 deals in total. 3 regarding the acquirement of air defence systems. The first being the delivery of GM-200 / 400 radars, which are indeed quite capable and cover a great radius. The second deal is the delivery of short range systems and I suppose the third deal is medium and possibly even long range systems. But I'll take a wild guess and assume latter depends entirely on funding and loans. Fourth deal is rumored to be anti-tank systems. But that could have been confused with the already acquired Javelins. But who knows, maybe there are plans to also buy Milans.

BUt then agian, it would not surprise me if none of this was actualy properly thought out and the Georgian gov was just like 'buy anything you can afford but it must be Western'. Only Time will tell.

Two Island-type patrol boats received from the United States commissioned in Georgia

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3386852.html

Georgia has signed a new contract for the purchase of air defense systems in France

As Georgian Minister of Defense Levan Izoria reported on his page on www.facebook.com, on December 8, 2018, during his visit to France, the Georgian side signed a contract with the French group Thales for the supply of "air defense command and control systems", which means transition of Georgia and France to the second stage of cooperation in the field of air defense ". No contract details are given. The Georgian Defense Minister also said that in the future, the implementation of the contract will provide an opportunity to integrate the Georgian air defense system into the NATO integrated air defense system.

From the side of bmpd, we recall that the "first stage" of cooperation between Georgia and France in the field of air defense was the package of contracts concluded by the Georgian Ministry of Defense on June 15, 2015 in France, with a total value of more than 100 million euros for the purchase of air defense assets. One contract worth € 56.131369 million with ThalesRaytheonSystems (TRS, a joint venture between the American corporation Raytheon and the French group Thales) provided Georgia with one mobile early warning radar Ground Target GM 403 and two mobile radar of medium range TAD detection, and also mobile command posts of air defense of production of Thales group. The second contract worth more than 50 million euros with the MBDA European missile association provided for the supply of self-propelled short-range Mistral ATLAS anti-aircraft missile systems to the chassis of the French Arquus ACMAT VLRA vehicles using the Mistral portable anti-aircraft missile system.

At the same time, the implementation of these contracts was delayed for political and financial reasons, and only in 2017 the French leadership gave final permission to implement them, with the result that the French bank Societe General issued a loan of about 100 million euros to Georgia to finance contracts. Sanction on the shipment of equipment was given by Paris only in the beginning of 2018.

The Ground Master GM403 radar received by Georgia was first demonstrated on May 26, 2018 at an arms exhibition on Freedom Square in Tbilisi in connection with the 100th anniversary of the proclamation of independence of Georgia, and the Ground Master GM200 radar and command and control center of air defense were first demonstrated at the Alekseevka Georgian air base near Tbilisi May 31, 2018. The equipment supplied under this contract is made on the Renault Truck Defense (Arquus) type K chassis with an 8x8 wheel formula. October 1, 2018. in Alekseyevka, for the first time, MBDA Mistral ATLAS received by Georgia from France air defense missile systems were demonstrated by Georgia.

As far as can be understood from the Georgian reports, the contract is now concluded with the Thales group for the acquisition of an air defense command and control system, and possibly additional radars, and the purchase of new fire weapons is not envisaged.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3447906.html

New Georgian 120-mm self-propelled mortar

Georgia announced the restoration of production of the Su-25

https://en.topwar.ru/180220-kazhdyj-mesjac-novyj-samolet-v-gruzii-zajavili-o-vosstanovlenii-proizvodstva-su-25.html

George1 wrote:Georgia announced the restoration of production of the Su-25

https://en.topwar.ru/180220-kazhdyj-mesjac-novyj-samolet-v-gruzii-zajavili-o-vosstanovlenii-proizvodstva-su-25.html

Funny how it is "legal" for Georgia to restart such production, but Russia has to recognize some sort of Ukrainian IP rights to
Antonov aircraft. Total BS. Ukraine has no IP rights to any Soviet production.

Another link on the restart production of Su-25

https://aircosmosinternational.com/article/israel-targets-georgian-su-25-stock-3104

d_taddei2 wrote:Another link on the restart production of Su-25

https://aircosmosinternational.com/article/israel-targets-georgian-su-25-stock-3104

as far as i understand, they are not planning new production, just overhaul and modernisation of existing airframes.

According to the Georgian edition georgiandefencejournal.org , on March 6, 2021, the first Su-25 attack aircraft (Su-25U combat training aircraft) of the Georgian armed forces made its first post-repair test flight, which was repaired and modernized at the Tbilaviamsheni JSC enterprise (TAM - Tbilisi Aviation plant) jointly with the Georgian state military scientific and technical center "Delta", with the involvement of the Aviation and Air Defense Command of the Ministry of Defense of Georgia.

Poor pilots, they have to fly in this dangerous aircraft.

Production of 5.56 mm automatic rifles launched in Georgia

As reported the Georgian government administration, October 28, 2021 Prime Minister of Georgia Irakli Garibashvili visited the production opened in Tbilisi 5.56 mm rifles GI-4, is similar to American automatic rifles M4 family. The production is organized by the Georgian-Israeli joint venture Delta CAA Arms, created on the basis of the Georgian state military scientific and technical center "Delta". The Israeli partner (under the license and under whose leadership the production of weapons is organized) of this joint venture has not been disclosed. The rifles produced are intended for the armed forces of Georgia.



https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4421872.html

I need to respond to this answer to my question "Who attacked who in Georgia" It has been lifted from somewhere.

Has anyone got any suggestions

The time frame for the 2008 bunfight makes it quite clear it was instigated by Moscow in which to put Georgia in its place:
which all started when 2 carbombs were detonated by South Ossetia inside Georgia which saw them take limited action, followed by their ceasefire which South Ossetia ignored and suprise suprise Moscow just happened to have an entire army in the neighbourhood all tooled up and armed for bear.

August 1 - 2 car bombs on a road near Tskhinvali, which had been engineered by South Ossetian separatists, injured five Georgian policemen. That night, intense fighting erupted between Georgians and the South Ossetian separatists. The casualties were six Ossetian militiamen killed.

August 7 - At 19:00, President of Georgia Mikheil Saakashvili announced on television a unilateral ceasefire. He asked the South Ossetians to cease fire. Instead they incrased their attacks against Georgian villages.

August 8 - After returning fire, Georgian troops advanced towards the capital of the self-proclaimed Republic of South Ossetia, Tskhinvali, during the night. President Saakashvili later stated that Russia had already sent tanks to South Ossetia before he gave the order for Georgian forces to launch a military operation. Several hours after Georgian troops had assaulted Tskhinvali, Russia attacked Georgia, claiming to be conducting "peace enforcement" operation to defend peacekeepers and civilians. Russian military captured Tskhinvali in five days and expelled Georgian forces. Russia also launched airstrikes against military infrastructure in Georgia. Russia justified its actions by Georgia's "aggression" and perpetration of "genocide" in South Ossetia.

August 9 - A second front was opened by the military of the separatist Republic of Abkhazia in the Kodori Valley, the only region of Abkhazia effectively controlled by Georgia.

August 10 - The withdrawal of most Georgian troops from South Ossetia was announced by Georgia.According to the Russian Ministry of Defence, a naval confrontation between the Russian warships and several Georgian ships took place.

August 11 - Russian forces deployed in Abkhazia advanced into western Georgia. A second front in western Georgia was opened.Russians captured the military base near the town of Senaki.

August 12 - Russian President Medvedev said that he had ordered an end to military operations in Georgia. However, Russian air raids did not stop in Georgia. Russian troops drove through Poti and took up positions around it. After an end to hostilities was announced, Gori was shelled by artillery for the first time. A fragmentation shell exploded at a press center, which killed a Dutch journalist and also damaged the neighbouring buildings and lone open shop. Abkhaz forces captured the Kodori Valley, from which Georgian military and civilians had fled . French President Nicolas Sarkozy mediated a ceasefire plan between Russia and Georgia, which included provision to withdraw all troops to the lines they held before the war broke out.

August 13 - Parts of Gori, a strategic central Georgian city, was occupied by a Russian tank battalion several hours after the ceasefire agreement.

August 15 - Reuters reported that Russian forces had pushed to 55 kilometres (34 mi) from Tbilisi, the closest during the war, and stopped in Igoeti. That day, United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice traveled to Tbilisi, where Saakashvili signed the peace plan in her presence.

August 19 - Russian forces took twenty-one Georgian soldiers prisoner and grabbed five US Humvees in Poti, taking them to a military base occupied by Russian troops in Senaki. Prisoners of war were exchanged by Russia and Georgia that day.

August 22 - Russia had withdrawn most troops from Georgia by the evening to Abkhazia and South Ossetia and Georgia's main east-west highway was effectively reopened.

August 26 - Russian President Medvedev signed decrees recognizing the Republic of Abkhazia and the Republic of South Ossetia as sovereign independent states.
The point to take away from this, is that Russians forces were on route before the Georgian retaliated to the carbomb and shelling.

ALAMO wrote:John,
A report of an official commission of the EU Council should be just good enough?

https://echr.coe.int/Documents/HUDOC_38263_08_Annexes_ENG.pdf

Owe you a drink!!!

I responded

I don't know where your report came from but the generally accepted version of events is by the EU who put a team on the job within months tasked to find out what happened, the results of which are in this document, published 9/2009. Whilst our dispute is on the start of the war this it is well worth the read going back into the causes and I would refer you to page 10 onward.

https://echr.coe.int/Documents/HUDOC_38263_08_Annexes_ENG.pdf

Starting your list of events on the 1st August seems seems strange as events like you describe had been building for months. The first actual military action i.e. war, as opposed to terrorist incidents, is described in the first sentence of Para 2

"On the night of 7 to 8 August 2008, a sustained Georgian artillery attack struck the town of Tskhinvali. Other movements of the Georgian armed forces targeting Tskhinvali and the surrounding areas were under way, and soon the fighting involved Russian, South Ossetian and Abkhaz military units and armed elements."

and again in Para 14

"Open hostilities began with a large-scale Georgian military operation against the town of Tskhinvali and the surrounding areas, launched in the night of 7 to 8 August 2008. Operations started with a massive Georgian artillery attack. At the very outset of the operation the Commander of the Georgian contingent to the Joint Peacekeeping Forces (JPKF), Brigadier General Mamuka Kurashvili, stated that the operation was aimed at restoring the constitutional order in the territory of South Ossetia. Somewhat later the Georgian side refuted Mamuka Kurashvili’s statement as unauthorised and invoked the countering of an alleged Russian invasion as justification of the operation."

and Para 19

" There is the question of whether the use of force by Georgia in South Ossetia, beginning with the shelling of Tskhinvali during the night of 7/8 August 2008, was justifiable under international law. It was not."