Indian Air Force (IAF): News

So,it seems acapable one, now i'll change my opinion on mig-29 that Garry love

i think indian mig-29 now can kill pakistan f-16 in BVR fight, anyone agree ?

i think indian mig-29 now can kill pakistan f-16 in BVR fight, anyone agree ?

Well there is a reason most NATO and US kills of Mig-29s are with AMRAAM and NOT AIM-9.

There is a reason it will be a BVR fight rather than a WVR fight... which used to be normal air combat.

A Mig-29 vs an F-16 is a very close match normally... the fact that it has been so one sided so far in actual results is the disparity in fighter training and of course the fact that it has been early model Migs vs late model F-16s.

New model Migs with new missiles like R-77 against older model F-16s as in Pakistani service...

Well I wont say anything is guaranteed, but I would think the Indian pilot is in a better position than the Pakistani pilot.

Of course there is nothing I would like more than to never find out which is better and have the only battles be verbal on the internet...

I think Mig29UPG with Zhuk M2E + RVV-AE(BVR) + OLS-UEM and HMI + R73E(WVR) + "legendary" Mig29 maneuverability, is very capable plane, more capable than any Mirage out there. As far as f16 is concerned if you talk about earlier non upgraded F-16 Pak have, Indian Mig29 always had an edge simply due to the fact that it is BVR capable while Pakistan f-16 have only got BVR capability only recently, which was shown in Kargil conflict as Pakistani F16 never came close to Indian Mig29 who were on air dominance missions all the time, if you believe Indian pilot he even got a lock on F16, didnt shoot due to risk of escalation of the conflict on to another level.

Now if you compare Mig29UPG with latest Pakistani F16 Blk50/52. Then things are interesting. Nationalities aside, that will be quite a fight. Btw does Pak F16 has OLS equivalent, Jammers, Helmet cueing and targetting?

no it is not postponed ,it has been delayed for various reason,the latest news is iaf give drdo order for 40 of such machines,its a innitial contract may be more come out and also naval version is the last stage of testing ,navy also go for it.may be 20 or such.

Related so:

Europe offers 300-km-range “Taurus missiles to India for its Sukhois

IRNA - Islamic Republic News Agency

New Delhi, Oct 18, IRNA -- European consortium MBDA has offered their 300 km-range Taurus stand-off missile system to the Indian Air Force (IAF) for its fighter jets such as the Su-30MKI.

'We have received a Request for Information (RFI) from the Indian Air Force (IAF) for a stand-off long range missile we have offered the Taurus missiles as we feel that it meets all the desired requirements,' Anders Axebark, the business development manager for the missile systems told a group of Indian journalists at Naples in Italy, pti reported.

The Taurus air-to-ground missiles are manufactured by the Germany-based Taurus Systems GmbH, which is a joint venture between MBDA and Swedish defence major Saab.

MBDA is a missile manufacturing firm based in Italy, Britain, France and Germany.

India is going to upgrade the first batch of its Sukhois in collaboration with Russia and is looking to enhance the capabilities of the aircraft by equipping it with new radars, long-range weapons and avionics.

Axebark said the IAF has already been briefed by the company at the Air Headquarters in New Delhi about the operational advantages that the missile would provide.

'The German Air Force is also planning to carry out a test-firing of the missile for the IAF in November at one of the field-firing ranges in South Africa,' he said.

Axebark said that his company has also briefed the Defence Research Development Organisation (DRDO) about the system and is looking for opportunities to co-develop anti-ship, surface to surface and transport aircraft-launched versions of the missile with the research organisation.

The Taurus GmbH is also offering the ground-launched version to the Indian Army.

The company claimed that the missile system can be used to take out hard targets such as bunkers and concrete shelters from a stand-off range of 300 km and it can track its target without using the GPS navigation system.

The MBDA has also offered its MICA and Meteor missiles to the IAF and said that they can be integrated with various types of aircraft operating in the IAF.

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http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2011/10/mil-111018-irna02.htm

This Taurus missile will not be as fast as Brahmos, so I suspect it is primarily direct competition for the Klub family of missiles.

I am guessing the Taurus missile is stealthy and would not rely on GPS or GLONASS.

I wonder what trick it has up its sleeve to make it more appealing than KLUB?

The main advantage of Klub is subsonic land attack and anti ship plus mach 3 supersonic anti ship capability, plus anti sub model with a torpedo with a rocket booster to get it to the target area supersonically, in a ship and sub based launcher that is also compatible with Brahmos.

In my opinion, Taurus is more meant, in case of India, to choose Eurofighter for their new fighter plane rather than Rafale, because Taurus is build in Germany as well as Eurofighter, while Rafale is French. If India accept Taurus for Su-30, so maybe they will easier accept Eurofighter.

medo wrote:In my opinion, Taurus is more meant, in case of India, to choose Eurofighter for their new fighter plane rather than Rafale, because Taurus is build in Germany as well as Eurofighter, while Rafale is French. If India accept Taurus for Su-30, so maybe they will easier accept Eurofighter.

Makes sense...it would increase Eurofighters chances.

Good point Medo, and likely the Meteor will also be a sweetener for the deal as well.

Meteor will be integrated with Rafale though. MBDA also makes Storm Shadow/SCALP, which could be fitted to Rafale/Su-30 instead of Taurus, and MICA, which was also offered and makes sense for both a Mirage 2000 upgrade and a Rafale buy.

Taurus does use INS/GPS guidance for midcourse, but uses IR scene matching for terminal homing, with INS/GPS backup.

It will be hard for Indians to decide between Rafale and Eurofighter.

I am sure they will benefit from the two consortiums pitching last minute offers like this to try to steal the competition from their rival.

Of course if they are not careful they might end up promising too much and come out of it making a serious loss.

Of course once the 126 aircraft are in service then they can start making the real money on spares and support.

India is close to finalizing a second contract with Russia for another 59 Mi-17V-5 tactical transport helicopters after the phased delivery of the first 80 of these choppers began this fall, The Times of India reported on Sunday.

"The 59 more Mi-17s, which will cost around $1 billion, will be ordered under the follow-on clause in the first contract. They will also be weaponized for combat operations like the first 80," the paper said, referring to a well-informed source.

In November, India took the delivery of the first batch of 80 Mi-17V-5 helicopters ordered under a $1.345 billion deal in 2008.

Source: RIA Novosti

That is a better contract to get...

Hips are selling very well.

check pics of IAF latest Mi-17V5

http://livefist.blogspot.in/2012/02/photos-iaf-to-induct-new-mi-17-v5.html

Advanced Mi-17 V5 helicopter inducted into Indian Air Force

Underlining the role of Russia as a dependable partner in the defence sector, Defence Minister A.K. Antony on Friday pointed out that the Mi-17 V5 is the best helicopter in its class, and assured that the government stands committed to provide the latest and best possible equipments to our armed forces.

Addressing a gathering here after inducting the advanced Mi-17 V5 helicopter into the Indian Air Force (IAF), Antony said: "Today is a special day for the Indian Air Force, as it inducts Mi-17 V 5 helicopter into its helicopter fleet. The multi-purpose Mi-17 V 5 helicopters will add to the flexibility and operational muscle, as well as capabilities of the Indian Air Force. It will help the IAF in meeting its growing mandate."

The Defence Minister said the helicopter fleet of the IAF has been rendering useful service to the nation by operating in remote, inaccessible and inhospitable parts of our country.

"The role played by these helicopters in providing humanitarian assistance and carrying out relief and rescue efforts in the wake of natural disasters, or accidents has received widespread appreciation. They are operating at the heights of Siachen glacier and have also proved their professionalism in UN missions," he added.

Source:
Yahoo News Singapore/ANI

Mi-17V5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvWwSZQHgOs&feature=player_embedded#!

Final number of this particular helicopter in IAF is going to be 80 and 20 or so are inducted already.

Isn't final number going to be higher? 80 was first batch, then they order 59 for IAF + 12 for interior.

Hi TR1

They are planning to ... I don't think any deal has been signed yet. Anyway lets wait and see.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20120220/171421858.html

The Indian Air Force (IAF) is planning to procure 71 more Mi-17 V5 helicopters, including 12 for the Ministry of Home Affairs, the Business Standard daily reported on Monday.

These would be in addition to the 80 already ordered from Russia.

Of the 71 helicopters to be ordered, 59 would be provided to the IAF for replacing its old Mi-8 and Mi-17IV choppers and six would go to the Border Security Force.

That is good news, though not surprising... I mean even the US is buying Mi-17s for Afghan forces in Afghanistan...

Do the new Mi-17s have any kind of jammers fitted to them?

Source: Dailybhaskar.com

The Ministry of Defence is investigating the possibility that crucial and expensive equipment bought from the US includes defective Chinese parts.

Defence Minister AK Antony on Wednesday told the Rajya Sabha that the "government is verifying reports" about this.

A US Senate probe has concluded that between 2009 and 2010, detected 1,800 incidents in which more than a million fake parts had been sourced from China. The US Senate panel report that was released this May states that counterfeit electronic parts from China were used in the Air Force's C-130J cargo plane, helicopters for special operations and the Navy's Poseidon surveillance plane.

India has purchased six C-130J aircraft from the US manufacturer Lockheed Martin. The planes have joined the IAF fleet and are based at Hindon near Delhi. Also New Delhi has signed on to buy the Poseidon ( named P8I) surveillance plane from Boeing.

In the last five years, India has shopped extensively with the US for its defence needs. Its purchases include the Indian Naval Ship Jalashwa, UH-3H helicopters, Harpoon missiles, Long Range Acoustic Devices, and more.

Globalization and outsourcing

TR1 wrote:Globalization and outsourcing

And both are good if not great.


Without these the US and China would not have existed as we know them today.

It's a known fact that US military hardware exported to foreign countries contains Trojans . The point here is the US sponsored Indian media goes at length pointing figures at military hardwares imported from Russia ( Israel & France ) by India that malfunction but they choose to turn the other way when it comes to hardware / software imported from US.

SAd 9 people have died following a collision of 2 MI-17 Choppers in the air . locals say they collide just after take off ..

they have ordered a investigation , i think we need to find out if it was a human error or something wrong with the machine ,cuz india has order 80 of these choppers from russia , so it is a cause of worry .....

Collisions are often pilot error where pilots just after takeoff get disoriented... especially if there is dust raised during takeoff that effects their vision.

RIP to the dead.