The Religion Thread

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:So what part do you disagree with? I described the criminal procedure for death penalty outlined exactly as it is in Talmudic literature. It takes pure idiocy to beliece that these old laws from the Old Testament constitute a threat to human rights when both theory and practice shows us that it's not the case at all.

GarryB wrote:

the homophobia is pretty st000ng here and there, but I am not sure if you can reduce it to just christian zealotry...

There are no threads demanding all ... whatever they call themselves today must kill themselves or be killed.

There are threads that say the west uses pro gay agenda to punish Russia... but then they use all sorts of agendas to put Russia down so that is nothing special... they use NGOs to undermine democracy and then when Russia cracks down on NGOs they claim it is undemocratic...  

Oh yes I agree, that is the whole cynical part of it.

There are threads that support Putin when he puts through laws to prevent pro gay preaching to children.

I don't see how that is anti gay.

Depends on what this "preaching" consists of. If children are taught from young onwards that being gay is something some people just are and is normal, than society will have a better chance to become a tolerant and accepting one later on, hopefully eliminating the incentive for such things as gay pride events. In the end I believe people are responsible and self-aware enough to figure out their own sexual identity, and as long as it is practiced in a consensual context (so no pedophilia or bestiality or rape or institutional social repression of women in religiously sanctioned and defined polygamy), it shouldn't really matter what people do in their bedrooms and with whom. No amount of gay preaching will suddenly turn me into a gay person myself, I believe you either are or you aren't already, with some leeway for people who go both ways.

I like the way people here are allowed to discuss the issues without being banned or censored... as long as they follow the rules.

I like the relaxed atmosphere here, that is one of the reasons I became active here

The amusing thing is that anti gay beliefs are actually very strong in the US of A and many christian conservatives would make this forum look pro gay and sound a lot like our new Islamic friend on the issue... assuming you replace non believer with gay person.

And, while Russia is abused for not being "pro gay" Saudi Arabia's policy on gay people is totally ignored... would love to see Madonna and Lady Gaga and other celebrities having a mass gay parade for all their gay friends in Saudi Arabia.

It would be a blood bath. But it is Russia that is homophobic of course.

We are on the same page here, Putin's misguided laws are just an easy stick to beat Russia with, while others get off scott free, fore mostly the KSA, who always get away with setting the world ablaze and trampling any fundamental human decency.

Gays and Women have fought for a long time in the west for "equal rights" and recognition for their cause and seem to think that equates to global acceptance around the world when they get it... both are wrong. Try talking to the Taleban about civil rights for women...

Ironically women have probably had better civil rights in the Soviet Union than in the west... when so many men are killed in war then women have to step up... and they did.

Speaking strictly on my own behalf, I had hoped that some of the more enlightened notions of marxist ideology would have lingered post-1991, so the no-homosex laws in Russia seem like an anachronism to the casual western observer. Let's hope it's only a temporary setback.

Werewolf wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:So what part do you disagree with? I described the criminal procedure for death penalty outlined exactly as it is in Talmudic literature. It takes pure idiocy to beliece that these old laws from the Old Testament constitute a threat to human rights when both theory and practice shows us that it's not the case at all.

You are an idiot aren't you?

You first claimed "old testament" no one preeches nor believes in it in judaism and christianity. Bullshit

TORA jews tora is old testament, Talmud jews are even worse they believe in their supremacy believes that go further back then Old testament. Katholic christians believe in Old Testament while protestants have abondoned it. You are one of those bad trolls that is splitting and cherry picking and jumping around with your definitions while reality shows exact opposite. Non of christians nor jews has abondoned old testament, they are core of their religions, of their major groups of what they define under christianity (katholics) and (orthodox/ultraorthodx) jews. Whenever an imbecile comes with "human rights" but does not need see US empire or Israelis attempts of building up to regional power with all the human rights abuses, without basic human rights nor recognition of palestinians as humans, by their LEADERS, then such people have no morality nor any ground to even speak further. You are a bad troll and you are pretty useless on this forum, unlike you we have many who have a great understanding of politics and military and contribute on weekly basis and are either teaching or learning others and themselfs, you on the other hand you refuse to both. You were also the guy after you joined this forum that tried to put me on Ignore while in the very same sentence you asked me for sources of my claims... People like you will die stupid and blind, just like you have been born. If you do not want actually to discuss, good bye and don't waste interenet traffic and my free time for your nonsense of changing subject. Everything is written in Israeli constitution and can be looked up to my claims, do us a favor and refrain on commenting anything political motivated since you are to stupid for politics. Good live in your parallel universe where Germany is unoccupied and everything in germany is milk and honey and the lazy greeks are the problem...

Fred333 wrote:
It seems to me that your debate is proceeding on two different levels here, on different wavelengths. What Walter is trying to point out is that there is a huge difference now between theory and practice in both Judaism and Christianity. Both Jaweh and God have been thoroughly tamed in the west - excepting some religious fringe nutjobs - and none of these is able to practice their extreme interpretation in real life. So I really do not understand the difference of opinion here; Jaweh and God are just as hateful, malicious and intolerant in some parts of their respective scriptures as Allah; yes -> however in practice Jews and Christians mostly ignore this part of their traditions whilst in Islam this still has to happen.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:OMG.

I asked for proofs that Jews stone gays and instead you started ranting about Palestinians and Jewish feeling of superiority which has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC and only shows the extent of your lunacy. IF you want to debate - give some proof that Jews stone gays to death and we can at least have some grounds for debate.

In Christianity not a single church, major or minor, endorses stoning gays based on these verses from the Bible. There is the WEstbro Baptist Chutch with it's whooping 40 members that says "God hates fags" but makes no mention of stoning them and has not stoned any of them.

Sharia courts in Muslim-majority countries routinely hand out death sentences for homosexuality. What courts do that in Europe? Or America? OR Australia? OR your so much hated Israel?

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:No, Werewolf. You DO want to debate. You simply have no arguments to counter my claim. You'd said that Jews stone gays, I refuted your claim by outlining the entire criminal procedure for death penalty in Talmudic law. You realized your mistake but since you couldn't admit to it (because that would mean those damn Jews aren't that bad after all), you got pissed off and started ranting about something that has nothing to do with the topic.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:

Werewolf wrote:I did not say jews stone gays, i fucking said they preech it in their religious fanatic books. Stop twisting words

In post no. 42 of this topic you wrote

Werewolf wrote:The jews practice this old law they are called ULTRAORTHODOX TAlmud jews. Every Israeli child by LAW has to go to Talmudic schools. Talmud that teaches exactly this and far worse horseshit a religion and mentally ill people could somehow come up with their fucked up minds.

If they don't actually stone, how do they "practice" it then?

It does not matter that it's in the Bible This law is harmless. It's implementation is impossible. It's like creating a death penalty law that can only be implemented if the judge flies to Mars and back. Rabbi Akiva stated that even if the Sanhedrin was reinstituted, nobody would get death penalty because he would ask questions in such a manner to make sure witnesses are invalidated.

Israel’s chief rabbinate says oral suction at circumcision is preferred
The practice of 'metzitzah b'peh,' in which blood is sucked orally from the circumcision wound, is under scrutiny in Germany, due to a complaint filed against a Berlin rabbi for allegedly committing bodily harm during a brit milah.

Israel's chief rabbinate has weighed in on the practice of a controversial circumcision rite in Germany, saying that metzitzah b'peh is preferred.

The practice, in which blood is sucked orally from the circumcision wound, is under scrutiny in Germany, due to a complaint filed against a Berlin rabbi for allegedly committing bodily harm during a brit milah.

Rabbi Moshe Morsiano, chair of the Division of Circumcision for the Chief Rabbinate of Israel, emphasized in a letter dated April 22 that there is no justification for avoiding metzitzah b'peh "unless the mohel has a sore in his mouth, or some infectious disease." ...

Genocide against Ethiopian Jews | Jewish Ethiopian women were given contraceptive injections before immigrating to Israel and after arrival. The result: a 50 percent decline in birthrate, and a ‘missing generation’ of Ethiopian children.[2]

Israel and Kenya Death Squads: Israel plays an influencial role in the extra-judical killings of Kenyan citizens by the Kenyan goverment. [external video]

Israel and Apartheid South Africa: Secret documents revealing offer to sell nuclear warheads to South Africa cast fresh light on alliance. [external link]

Forced Conversion: The Israeli government decided by a resolution in 2003 that Ethiopians who are descendants of Jewish mothers' lineage have the right to emigrate to Israel under the Entry Law; they may become citizens only if they formally convert to Orthodox Judaism. This is supposed to be a democratic country but the law of the land forces you to leave the older African Judaism behind and adopt the 18th century Europeanized sect.

Rabbi Noson Gurary founded The National Institute for Judaic Law to educate American jurists and laws students about Judaic law. He is quoted in the Jerusalem Post:

"By demonstrating the philosophy of Jewish law and its moral values, we can bring a little beacon of light to this world." (1)

Rabbi Gurary is quoted by The Jewish Week: "Before you know where you're going, you have to know where you came from. And Jewish law is the basis of our legal system in America." (2)

In 1991, Congress declared the Talmud's Noahide Laws were the basis "upon which our great Nation was founded." Noahide Law regulations require that idolaters (such as Christians) be put to death. The 1991 declaration marked the 89th birthday of Rabbi Gurary's mentor, the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Schneerson. See America's New Government Church.

Fred333 wrote:

So what's your policy towards human sacrifices?

'You become a Muslim if you eat halal meat'
Published: 07 Jul 2015 11:38 GMT+02:00

The leader of a local wing of the nationalist Sweden Democrat party has caused a controversy after he claimed that halal meat has magical powers that turns people into Muslims. Sweden Democrat members in the small town of Heby in central Sweden want to issue a blanket ban on halal meat in local schools, claiming it is against Swedish animal protection laws. And apparently because they also believe it will automatically convert those who eat it to Islam.

“You become a Muslim if you eat halal meat,” Michael Öhman, head of the nationalist party's Heby wing, told local newspaper Sala Allehanda on Monday.

According to the local authority, meat produced through the traditional Islam halal method of butchering an animal is currently only being served to two pupils -- who have both specifically requested it. The Sala Allehanda journalist went on to ask Öhman if he meant to say that halal meat has magical powers, to which he replied: “Yes. This is precisely what we have warned of. They sneak halal in everywhere.”

His comments were immediately mocked by readers with many taking to social media to put the politician's knowledge of magic to the test.

"What happens if you mix halal and kosher meat?" wrote one Twitter user, referring to the traditional Jewish way of preparing food. "Which magic is the strongest?

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/uae-allocates-land-abu-dhabi-hindu-temple-150817062426501.html
This may sound mundane - but in a country in which just several years ago no non-Islamic worship places were allowed, this is huge news - and a huge step in the right direction - Islamists are already boiling in anger cuz of that decision.

The next step should be abolishment of death penalty for apostasy from Islam  -and then allowing non-Muslim preachers.