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Iran Air Defense Systems
George1- Posts : 18342
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SOC- Posts : 565
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Resembles the Buk-M2EK shown at MAKS, but the TEL isn't the same obviously.
TR1- Posts : 5435
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Funny how they went for the EXACT same look as wheeled Buk.
GarryB- Posts : 39169
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Main differences seem to be only 3 missiles on the Iranian model and no radar on the Iranian model.
Viktor- Posts : 5796
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Perhaps Russia refund cancellation of S-300 system by providing some version of BUK system.
And it seems those vehicles are TELAR.
If the range is 50km in distance and up to 25km at attitude I guess this must correspond to newer 3M17missile.
And it seems those vehicles are TELAR.
If the range is 50km in distance and up to 25km at attitude I guess this must correspond to newer 3M17missile.
TheArmenian- Posts : 1880
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The Iranian engineers and designers probably had a "good look" of the BUK-M2 systems Syria received afew years ago.
TR1- Posts : 5435
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Was it really necessary to make the TELAR look identical though 
?
Performance of the system and missiles would be interesting.
?Performance of the system and missiles would be interesting.
GarryB- Posts : 39169
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If it isn't broken... don't try to fix it.
Even if it is only half as good as the Russian model it should be pretty good.
Even if it is only half as good as the Russian model it should be pretty good.
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Iran doesn't have Buk and I doubt Russia give them any Buk technology. But Iran have Standard missiles in its inventory and they produce Standard complex for their new build ships.Iran could redesign Standard missile to get one similar to Buk and place it on a vehicle to look similar as Buk-M2.
medo- Posts : 4342
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Well, Iran never produce Kub, but similar HAWK, which also have triple launcher. HAWK is stationary and Standard is naval system. Iranians maybe just put together components from both and place them on the vehicle and make it similar to Buk-M2. Missile itself is neithe hawk neither Kub, so it could be only developed from Standard and vehicle with tracking radar could as well have Standard radar inside.
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Iranians place Standard missiles on HAWK launcher.
Iranians place Standard missiles on HAWK launcher.
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Medo wrote:Iran doesn't have Buk and I doubt Russia give them any Buk technology. But Iran have Standard missiles in its inventory and they produce Standard complex for their new build ships.Iran could redesign Standard missile to get one similar to Buk and place it on a vehicle to look similar as Buk-M2.
I don't think the "Raad" is equipped with Standard missiles...look closely at the missiles
this is from 2008...
undefined wrote:"an upgrade of the Iranian Kub/Kvadrat systems, including deliveries of 9M317E (SA-17) missiles, should be carried on in 2007-09" -
Mikhail Barabanov, "Russian Deliveries of Arms, Military Equipment, and Dual Use Items to Iran Since 2000", Moscow Defence Brief 2008
medo- Posts : 4342
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The missile itself is not 9M317 and I also doubt Iran got any. True, missile is simmilar and Iran already produce two similar missiles, Hawk and Standard, which is the most easy to modify in 9M317 similar missile. Even Russians have Standard missile in mind, when they design Buk.
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medo wrote:The missile itself is not 9M317 and I also doubt Iran got any. True, missile is simmilar and Iran already produce two similar missiles, Hawk and Standard, which is the most easy to modify in 9M317 similar missile. Even Russians have Standard missile in mind, when they design Buk.
Belarus or Ukraine could very easily provide them with the knowledge to construct something like Raad beside Russia and I have no doubt one of those three
actually did. Raad is very powerful addition to Iran AD.
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If i may ask your help with one of those things that you see somewhere, skip over it, and when you try to find it again, it's impossible!
I could swear not long ago, few weeks maybe , i've been reading this article or interview (with someone from Almaz-Antey?) in which it is said something like "we delivered Tor-M1 to Iran and modernized their old Kub missiles" or something like that, which immediately made me think of Ra'ad, someone surely helped them. Problem is for the life of me can't find that piece anywhere now, and i can't recall if it was in english or translated from russian! Does anyone happen to know which article/interview i'm talking about? Maybe it was occasioned by MAKS, maybe just before it. Many thanks.
I could swear not long ago, few weeks maybe , i've been reading this article or interview (with someone from Almaz-Antey?) in which it is said something like "we delivered Tor-M1 to Iran and modernized their old Kub missiles" or something like that, which immediately made me think of Ra'ad, someone surely helped them. Problem is for the life of me can't find that piece anywhere now, and i can't recall if it was in english or translated from russian! Does anyone happen to know which article/interview i'm talking about? Maybe it was occasioned by MAKS, maybe just before it. Many thanks.
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Well , i found something to that effect, still would be nice to find the original article (probably in russian?)
PS: Also found reference to modernized Kvadrat with 9M317E in several posts above, don't know how i missed that...
http://normblog.typepad.com/normblog/2010/08/irans-defensive-capabilities-a-readers-comment.htmlAccording to Pukhov, Iran is also experiencing shortages not only of modern antiaircraft weaponry, but also notification and control systems. "Of Iran's surface-to-air missile systems, the only ones that have any combat value are the modern Russian short-range Top-M1 systems and the Kvadrat systems, which were recently upgraded with Russian help and were given new 9M317 missiles," Pukhov said.
PS: Also found reference to modernized Kvadrat with 9M317E in several posts above, don't know how i missed that...
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thanks Mack8. However the missiles don't look identical to the 9M317... nor the radar on the Iranian TELAR...
I am guessing the russians gave technological support, but not the exact same packaging... (plausible deniability).
I am guessing the russians gave technological support, but not the exact same packaging... (plausible deniability).
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Sayyad-2 missile production line opens
Iran’s Defense Minister Brigadier General Hossein Dehqan inaugurated the production line of the domestically-built anti-aircraft missile system Sayyad-2 (Hunter II) in Tehran on Saturday.
According to IRNA, Dehqan also inspected the latest military achievements during the event.
The minister underlined that the Sayyad-2 surface-to air missile can target all kinds of aircraft, including bombers, at medium and high altitudes.
He noted the missile can also be used in electronic warfare.
In recent years, Iran has made major breakthroughs in its defense sector and attained self-sufficiency in major military equipment and systems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5Lq25n7Gps
http://mod.ir/sites/default/files/images/sayyad03.jpg
What do you think about this sistem?
Iran’s Defense Minister Brigadier General Hossein Dehqan inaugurated the production line of the domestically-built anti-aircraft missile system Sayyad-2 (Hunter II) in Tehran on Saturday.
According to IRNA, Dehqan also inspected the latest military achievements during the event.
The minister underlined that the Sayyad-2 surface-to air missile can target all kinds of aircraft, including bombers, at medium and high altitudes.
He noted the missile can also be used in electronic warfare.
In recent years, Iran has made major breakthroughs in its defense sector and attained self-sufficiency in major military equipment and systems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5Lq25n7Gps
http://mod.ir/sites/default/files/images/sayyad03.jpg
What do you think about this sistem?
SOC- Posts : 565
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This looks far more credible than the Ra'ad or Bavar-300 systems. Plus, with this thing there's no need for Ra'ad, what with Mersad already available as well.
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I thought Ra'ad is convincing enough, at least you can see what appears to be a proper Buk-like TELAR firing missiles. Bavar-373 is of course vapourware at the moment.
So what is your take on this Sayyad-2 SOC, would you say it's a bit longer than a standard...Standard, and would have a bit more range (all things being equal) compared to SM1? Could it have a range of perhaps 100km, if SM1 is about 70 from what i can read? Thanks.
So what is your take on this Sayyad-2 SOC, would you say it's a bit longer than a standard...Standard, and would have a bit more range (all things being equal) compared to SM1? Could it have a range of perhaps 100km, if SM1 is about 70 from what i can read? Thanks.
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Debka is a known Zionist propaganda source.
Vladimir79 wrote:Have to give props to Farce News, they always have some great story like DEBKA.
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New images of Raad AD system
Iran Unveils New Air Defense System with Multiple Target Tracking Capability
Iran Unveils New Air Defense System with Multiple Target Tracking Capability
GarryB- Posts : 39169
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thanks Mack8. However the missiles don't look identical to the 9M317... nor the radar on the Iranian TELAR...
I am guessing the russians gave technological support, but not the exact same packaging... (plausible deniability).
The Iranians are a very proud but also very capable people... I am sure they wanted their own version to give them control and to prevent situations they have seen before where foreign designed IADS have been compromised by the western companies that made them to allow Israel or the US defeat them... or bypass them.
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Excellent pics of Iran Raad system
LINK
LINK
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Iran needs to stop taking photos of lame mockups.
Nice "radar array" on that SAM.
Nice "radar array" on that SAM.