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Very true... the western investment was not intended to help China, it was intended to provide a cheap source of produced goods for the west to buy at a fraction of their price to make in the west... enabling them to continue with their consumer society model.
Hard to say about Chinas timetable, but you can also say that it does not matter. They keep pumping thier ships out so fast anyway a few delays wont make any difference. Same cant be said about Russia.
They are not producing them for fun or for nothing... they see the west blocks trade and interferes in countries it calls the third world like it has some right to...
Well the right is might and so this production of ships is China getting some might for itself... which is no threat to anyone except the bullies of the west.
For every ship you put to sea you will have thousands of people tied up in support roles from the towns where the naval personel live to the infrastructure providing food and ammo and equipment and water directly to those ships but also to support ships that operate with those ships when they are away from port, even the piers they sit at when they are not at sea and the shipyards where they undergo upgrades and maintenance on a regular basis.
What the Chinese are doing is astounding, but then considering their population size and production potential, they need to be able to asure their own access to the worlds oceans and the countries of the world they might want to trade with that the west might decide one day to cut them off from.
They can't cut them off from Russia so energy and food are secure, but the west don't like competition and will do all sorts of nasty things to get what they think might be an advantage.
And yes you are right about Russia not rushing out any destroyers or cruisers. And thats not primarily a planning issue, but a money issue. I`ll be very suprised if a new destroyer joins before 2035 and cruisers probably will never happen.
Obviously you are entitled to your opinion, but do you think the split with the west makes the Russian Navy more important or less important to Russia moving forward... especially with all the BS the west loves to pull... they love conflict.
They will likely step up corvette production and after they get the improved enlarged frigate design into the water and tested then they can decide if they want the new capabilities or if a mix of medium and heavy frigates might suit their specific needs for coastal and near Russia defence... with the laying down of two 40K ton helicopter carriers and current use of naval forces suggests they value that capacity, which is a world wide capacity with the new ships moving forward.
Frigates can defend themselves but you need groups of them for real protection out in the open ocean, Destroyers can defend themselves and other ships too, while Cruisers are intended to protect groups of ships with very long range SAMs and weapons.
I suspect current experience will show a 152mm gun with 180km range and a CEP of 10m would be very useful and perhaps even a 203mm gun developed on the same basis would be useful at sea and on shore for a replacement of the 130mm guns of the Bereg coastal gun system and also for the Russian Army for use in artillery battles.
Equally the threat of ballistic and very high speed missiles will also make naval S-500s a priority too and the easiest way to carry a decent number of useful missiles will be on bigger ships, though I doubt their new cruisers would be much bigger than 20K tons.
The new short range self defence missiles they mention for defending against artillery and drones would be a useful technology to add as well and of course the laser based defence system they use with their ICBM regiments will likely have a naval equivalent too... sharing costs and development resources.
Also by then its time to start replacing the todays corvetts and frigates again making the industry busy.
Not really... the shipyards that will be making Corvettes likely wont be making much else, but there is scope to make quite a vew corvettes as they are a useful light patrol like class of ship... future potential export orders might keep them building too...
It seems western cargo companies have stopped moving Russian goods so replacing that capacity is going to take a while too, but in the end will create more competition internationally which is probably very good too.
China launched YJ-21 hypersonic anti-ship missile from a Type-055 destroyer.
A bit suspect... for it to be an atmosphere skipper it needs to be a rocket powered missile... to reach a speed and altitude to skip the atmosphere it needs to get to near orbital speeds, which makes the 180 mile range claimed for it seem rather short.
If it is that two stage missile shown in that other thread that looks like a STANDARD SAM type missile then 180 miles is a very short range for such a missile in that configuration...
(sorry, I started typing these answers before I noticed my reply so I am repeating some things but can't be bothered to rewrite or modify).
That video is interesting... seems to use a Chinese version of SeaRam too...
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i know, but we have to see who is who and who is actually "obsolete"...
