Turkish court orders that Hagia Sofia is transferred into a mosque

So it happened mad ErDogan will make the Hagia Sofia a mosque...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/10/world/europe/hagia-sophia-mosque-turkey.html

Commentators here in France say its the last options Erdogan has for his dieing regime. Turkish economy is collapsing. His islamist support backfired. His border opening for refugees did not work.

Now all he has is to stir up religious hate.

I visited the Hagia Sofia in 2015 with my parents and its an amazing building. I know it has so much importance for orthodox christians, like St. Peter in Rome for us catholics.

How is russias opinion regarding that? Russia is orthodox.

One thing i might add...that France did not help Constantinople when the turks attacked it is biggest shame of our history.

Our country could have prevented that. But we sat still and watched, just for political games.

Hey, their land their business

They are free to do whatever they want with their property

Russian deputies called for it to remain a museum...apparently that pissed off a lot of Turks

https://politobzor.net/218535-russkie-zabyli-lenina-turki-vozmuscheny-apellyaciyami-rf-k-istorii-ayya-sofii.html

This sour relation between Turkey and Greece, not that it was good in the first place.

PapaDragon wrote:
Hey, their land their business

They are free to do whatever they want with their property

They are not. Its UNESCO world heritage. It belongs all of humanity.

Aristide wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Hey, their land their business

They are free to do whatever they want with their property

They are not. Its UNESCO world heritage. It belongs all of humanity.

Unless all of humanity becomes owner of Istanbul it's Turkish property

If West wanted to avoid this scenario they shouldn't​ have betrayed Byzantium during crusades or sided with Turks in wars against Russia couple of centuries ago

That train has left the station now, finders keepers

It could be Mosque on Friday. Church on Sunday. And World heritage centre for tourist, rest of the week. QED. Other religions or group should be able to hire out also. For right price.

Erdogan a year ago said he will never turn it to a mosque , he lied i think .

Anyway he is just playing by the radical muslims who would be proud of that .

Alazhar Islamic University in Egypt already refused that decision .

Erdogan is Islamo Fascist. In Turkey every person born is automatically classified as Muslim. Erdogan arms Muslim Brotherhood to take over Egypt.

It is mostly not problem with Islam. But the class in power. Who misinterpret a very old book and  manipulate people's  feelings. To keep minority in power. Usually they are right wing and anti - democratic forces, from market traders or Bazzar or big land owners or factory owners or property developers, they organise the poor working class into their army and use it against the workers themselves. Thieves all of them. In every place is the same. Old vague text and some outdated law, allows them to control people with religious feelings of hatred or fear.  Extreme and cruel punishment against the sick or weak, by excuse of religion. Misusing God's religion against the people. Dictatorial control. The enemy is a class enemy. Parallels  also exist in Judaism ( zionism) and Christianity ( Evangelical and Presbyterians), Hindu nationalists, Buddhist vigilante monks, Pol pot  " communist" genocides and Colombian drug dealing and Jungle dwelling Marxists.........


https://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/2016/08/the-white-supremacist-roots-of-evangelicalism/

I doubt very much, this to be the case. Since problem in Ukraine is growth of extreme right wing politics and Fascism. Not political influence of Church on politics. I never noticed any news about any politically significant move by Ukraine Church, about anti - Russian sentiments. More likely this news is an attempt to sow division.

The most obvious political implication, is further antagonising Christian / Muslim conflict in the Balkans or Russia. Far more concerning.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:I read a comment (in an italian telegram page) where it was alleged that this operation was done with Putin's acknowledgement, also in order to weaken the Patriarch of Constantinople, after the latter granted autocephaly to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.

Actually this would be pretty funny

I bet old pappy wasn't expecting this

It was lost when Constantinople fell. Simple as.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:I read a comment (in an italian telegram page) where it was alleged that this operation was done with Putin's acknowledgement, also in order to weaken the Patriarch of Constantinople, after the latter granted autocephaly to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.

There've been several articles on a similar theme...not directly saying Putin backed the move but that the Americans didn't support the Patriarch as he had hoped after helping them in UKR, and now finds himself in a weakened position

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:I read a comment (in an italian telegram page) where it was alleged that this operation was done with Putin's acknowledgement, also in order to weaken the Patriarch of Constantinople, after the latter granted autocephaly to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.

The Patriarch of Constantinople is a rotten stooge. He is linked to money issues in the USA. Hardly fitting for such a position. His
transparent, illegal pandering to NATzO interests in the case of Ukraine establish his credentials as a stooge.

Cyberspec wrote:

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:I read a comment (in an italian telegram page) where it was alleged that this operation was done with Putin's acknowledgement, also in order to weaken the Patriarch of Constantinople, after the latter granted autocephaly to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.

There've been several articles on a similar theme...not directly saying Putin backed the move but that the Americans didn't support the Patriarch as he had hoped after helping them in UKR, and now finds himself in a weakened position

What a surprise. As with the Kiev regime, the super rich west is very stingy with the pennies it throws at its stooges. But those stooges
are so blind with the mythical wealth of the west which they think will trickle down to them, that they are not able to see this show stopper
detail.

Only Russia has been and to some extent continues to be stupid enough to feed serious coin to parasites. Russia fed Country 404 over
200 billion US dollars from the 1990s to 2014. This is at a time when it was suffering one of the greatest depressions in world history.

GarryB wrote:Russia was only helping a brother nation...

The Ukraine was never Russian brother nation and they never made secret of that fact nor the disdain they feel for them

Only Russian morons were stupid enough to think they were

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:You're talking about Western Ukrainians (those from territory controlled by Austro-Hungary and later Poland).

In Soviet times most Ukrainians were indistinguishable from Russians.

I am talking about post Cold War

They see themselves as very distinguishable