S-500 'Prometheus' and S-550 missile systems

Arrow wrote:This is probably the 77N6 which is based on the 9M82.  This has been known for some time.  Anyway, you can see from the movie that they are similar missiles.  The 40N6 missile is based on the 48N6DM.

Did they use the new radar to test fire this missile?

The older missiles had monstrous kinematics that the limited guidance and control laws of the time never really tapped the full potentiality of; is it really strange if all they did is just update the seekers and et voila - there's your S-500?

I am suggesting the S-300V might have formed the basic design for the new missile but just replacing the rocket fuel and warhead would not allow interception of targets moving at 7km per second, or targets 600km away from the launcher.

Watching the video posted of that launch when the missile clears the launch tube there is a censorship blur that hides the actual shape of the missile and its booster.

Certainly the launch tubes look like the large S-300V missiles, but it will be interesting to see the missile lying next to a launch tube at an airshow... might have to wait till 2023 for that one though.

kvs wrote:The smug reference to S-300 system missiles is so much drivel.   They were better than anything the west had.   To this day
the NATzO west has failed to produce the level of the S-400.    The Patriot shit is not worth discussing.     The Soviet and Russian
superiority goes back to the 1950s.   Americans focused on their aircraft, the USSR responded by anti-aircraft missile development.
Listening to the dismissive talk one would think that the USA has been always on top.   BS.

Well I wouldn't be one sided like you are.

Having an airforce is better than relying only on air defence which way more limitations.

USSR never choosed ground AD over the air force since their air force was as huge as NATO air forces togather.

Isos wrote:
Well I wouldn't be one sided like you are.

Having an airforce is better than relying only on air defence which way more limitations.

USSR never choosed ground AD over the air force since their air force was as huge as NATO air forces togather.

99% of the time aircraft are static targets on the ground. Who's defending them while they are at their most vulnerable?

lyle6 wrote:

Isos wrote:
Well I wouldn't be one sided like you are.

Having an airforce is better than relying only on air defence which way more limitations.

USSR never choosed ground AD over the air force since their air force was as huge as NATO air forces togather.

99% of the time aircraft are static targets on the ground. Who's defending them while they are at their most vulnerable?

And what you gonna use to attack them ? S-400 ? Nope. Cruise missiles ? Yes but that would be 1 missile for aircraft and if they detect your launches they can move them.

AD fills the gap to protect your ground forces against enemy aviation but if you don't have an airforce it will be quickly destroyed.

Isos wrote:
And what you gonna use to attack them ? S-400 ? Nope. Cruise missiles ? Yes but that would be 1 missile for aircraft and if they detect your launches they can move them.

AD fills the gap to protect your ground forces against enemy aviation but if you don't have an airforce it will be quickly destroyed.

And I'm asking you how are you going to defend your air force while its on the ground? Repositioning is a temporary measure; I only need to be successful once and you would have significantly grown your air force exponentially after I'm done. Remember, you are not only facing possible attack from enemy airpower itself, but non-contact strikes from anything to include ballistic, cruise missiles to even kamikazee drones that even non-state actors could possess.

Russia has in fact to independent IADS, one of the Army and one under the control of the Air and Space Force. NATO has a line of Patriot systems, after an attack force has broken trough them there is not much left besides a few Stinger missiles and a few Roland systems.

lyle6 wrote:

Isos wrote:
And what you gonna use to attack them ? S-400 ? Nope. Cruise missiles ? Yes but that would be 1 missile for aircraft and if they detect your launches they can move them.

AD fills the gap to protect your ground forces against enemy aviation but if you don't have an airforce it will be quickly destroyed.

And I'm asking you how are you going to defend your air force while its on the ground? Repositioning is a temporary measure; I only need to be successful once and you would have significantly grown your air force exponentially after I'm done. Remember, you are not only facing possible attack from enemy airpower itself, but non-contact strikes from anything to include ballistic, cruise missiles to even kamikazee drones that even non-state actors could possess.

That's why I said they need both and having just one is stupid. Read again.

That's why I said they need both and having just one is stupid. Read again.

I think we all agree on that, but I think his point was that the HATO forces are centred around one, while the Russians have an amazing ground based air defence force and a significant and expanding air based air defence force... Russia is the closest country on the planet to having both.

GarryB wrote:

That's why I said they need both and having just one is stupid. Read again.

I think we all agree on that, but I think his point was that the HATO forces are centred around one, while the Russians have an amazing ground based air defence force and a significant and expanding air based air defence force... Russia is the closest country on the planet to having both.

That's what I answered to kvs who said "USSR responded with air defence developement" to counter US air force which is wrong since they heavily invested in plabes too.

Source: signed a contract for the supply of VKS more than 10 S-500 Prometey systems

Serial deliveries will begin in the first half of 2022

MOSCOW, July 29. / TASS /. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation signed a contract with the Almaz-Antey concern for the supply of the first batch of S-500 Prometey anti-aircraft missile systems. This was reported to TASS by a source in the military-industrial complex.

"The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation signed a contract with the Almaz-Antey concern for the supply of more than 10 Prometheus systems to the Aerospace Forces (VKS). Serial deliveries will begin in the first half of 2022," he said on the sidelines of the MAKS-2021 air show, which took place from 20 to 25 July in Zhukovsky.

According to the interlocutor of the agency, at the present time "state tests of the S-500 air defense system are underway at one of the test ranges in the south of Russia." They are expected to be completed at the end of 2021.

The interlocutor noted that Prometheus is capable of destroying all existing and potential means of aerospace attack, including warheads of intercontinental ballistic missiles at altitudes up to 200 km and at ranges up to 500 km.

The source noted that the ground version of the S-500 air defense system is now undergoing state tests. "If necessary, it can become a shipborne one," he added.

TASS does not have official information on this matter from the developer of the system of the Almaz-Antey concern.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/12012043

So how many launchers and missiles are in one system?

Isos wrote:
And what you gonna use to attack them ? S-400 ? Nope. Cruise missiles ? Yes but that would be 1 missile for aircraft and if they detect your launches they can move them.

AD fills the gap to protect your ground forces against enemy aviation but if you don't have an airforce it will be quickly destroyed.

There is a good saying: the best air defense is your tanks on enemy airfields.

Source: a contract was signed for the supply of more than 10 S-500 Prometey (Promotheus) systems to the aerospace Forces. 

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has signed a contract with the Almaz-Antey concern for the supply of the first batch of S-500 Prometey anti-aircraft missile systems. This was reported to TASS by a source in the military-industrial complex.

"The Russian Defense Ministry has signed a contract with the Almaz-Antey concern for the supply of more than 10 Prometheus systems to the Aerospace Forces (VKS). Serial deliveries will begin in the first half of 2022" – he said on the sidelines of the MAKS-2021 air show, which was held from July 20 to 25 in Zhukovsky.

According to the source, currently "state tests of the S-500 air defense system are continuing at one of the landfills in the south of Russia." They are expected to be completed at the end of 2021.

The source noted that Prometheus is capable of destroying all existing and potential means of air and space attack, including warheads of intercontinental ballistic missiles at altitudes of up to 200 km and at a range of up to 500 km.

The source noted that the ground-based version of the S-500 air defense system is currently undergoing state tests. "If necessary, it can become ship-based" – he added.

Source: 

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4919857?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

Минобороны России и концерн ВКО «Алмаз-Антей» подписали контракт на поставку первой партии зенитных ракетных систем С-500 «Прометей», сообщил источник ТАСС. По его словам, больше десяти систем будут направлены в воздушно-космические силы.

«Минобороны РФ подписало контракт с концерном ВКО "Алмаз-Антей" на поставку воздушно-космическим силам более десяти систем "Прометей". Серийные поставки начнутся в первой половине 2022 года»,— сказал собеседник агентства.

Russian MoD and Almaz-Antey sign a contract for the first batch of more than 10 systems of S-500 and serial deliveries will start in the first half of 2022.

Is it me or is first batches of s500 arriving in early 22,really quick.. Especially considering how long it seems to be taking to make s400 for India and previously Turkey?

Lurk83 wrote:Is it me or is first batches of s500 arriving in early 22,really quick..  Especially considering how long it seems to be taking to make s400 for India and previously Turkey?

Russia is smashing the West's wet dreams, real hard. They know the desperation among the elites is growing and it may lead to stupid things being done. But from 2022 onwards, with the Tsirkon and the S-500, the strategic situation changes and the West will lose the last chances they had to military attack Russia with any chance of success. Russia is understandably rushing to close that last door, S-500 is key there and it is normal that it proceeds with max priority

The Russians have a combat structure and air defence network... the place the S-500 will occupy is not currently occupied by anything else, but they have had plenty of time to prepare for its arrival and how it will fit and work with other systems etc etc.

The S-400 for Turkey and for India require more negotiations and neither have a fully integrated air defence network for these systems to slot straight in to, plus most of the equipment and systems will be brand new and of a type they have never used before so there needs to be a lot of preparation and adaptation so as they arrive they will be able to be used effectively and also integrated into systems they already use.

For the Russians the S-500 expands its existing capabilities but should be already designed specifically to fit in and work seamlessley...

The change will effectively mean they can detect targets at much greater ranges and can now launch missiles at a much wider range of targets over a much bigger area.

GarryB wrote:The change will effectively mean they can detect targets at much greater ranges and can now launch missiles at a much wider range of targets over a much bigger area.

And more importantly they can intercept targets that were before considered practically unstoppable, like ICBM or the new hypersonic weapons that US still does not have... it is back to the drawing board for them

The new american 6th gen fighter jet will easily fly undetected towards the S-500 and drop a few bombs on it. No problem.