Darya Dugina, A.Dugin's daughter, killed by car bomb in Moscow

mnztr wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

mnztr wrote:
Has this been confirmed? It would not surprise me if this was actually done by the Russian govt. Its odd that he changed cars at the last minute as well.

What would be the logic behind it?

He may have been challenging the Kremlins narrative or use the war to increase his influence. Has he said anything to cause friction with the power bases in Russia? Maybe he just refused to fall in line.

Regular wrote:

mnztr wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

mnztr wrote:
Has this been confirmed? It would not surprise me if this was actually done by the Russian govt. Its odd that he changed cars at the last minute as well.

What would be the logic behind it?

He may have been challenging the Kremlins narrative or use the war to increase his influence. Has he said anything to cause friction with the power bases in Russia? Maybe he just refused to fall in line.

Challenging how? Increase influence where? He is not a politician. Please, without proof you are just using Ukrainian talking points. His narrative is set in stone from 2014, not much changed, or I am missing something?

So far we know that a bomb equivalent of 400 grams in TNT was planted in the car, it's being investigated. Now hardest part will be finding who was responsible, especially if Mafia criminals were hired to do a hit job. So far the Central Investigation committee is considering it a contract killing. If it was a setup to blame Ukraine, they would have done it now. Knowing how hit jobs work in Eastern Europe - this can go uncovered for years if ever.

ArgentinaGuard wrote:Russia and its services must track down any subversive trail and annihilate it without consideration, because they are going to start attacking the innocent people of Russia.
They already experienced it with the Chechens, this could be worse.

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:The FSB says that:

"The main suspect is a Ukrainian citizen named Natalya Pavlovna Vovk, born in 1979.

She arrived in Russia on July 23rd together with her daughter, Sofiya Mikhailovna Shaban, born 2010 and rented an apartment close to Darya Dugina's residence. They followed the Dugins for almost a month, using a Mini Cooper on which they changed license plates three times.

The Dugins were booked for the "Traditsiya" festival in Sakharovo, Moscow Oblast, on Saturday, August 20th.

Vovk and Shaban shadowed the Dugins there, and as the festival began and the parking lot had emptied of people, they quickly planted a remotely triggered explosive device (400g TNT equivalent) underneath Dugina's car, right under the driver's position.

As the festival was being wrapped up hours later, they were waiting for the cars to exit the village of Sakharovo, out on the A100 road ("Mozhayskoye hwy") towards Moscow. As soon as the Dugin vehicle was spotted, the device was detonated, right after the car had turned in the intersection.  

Vovk and Shaban left the scene, and exited Russia via Pskov to Estonia the day after, August 21st.

Funds and materials and other support for the attack were provided by the Ukrainian security services."

So, that's the Russian version of events as it stands, I guess. This has some implications, not least the allegation that the suspects escaped directly to EU- and NATO-country Estonia, which I do not think will agree to any form of cooperation, even if it's about plain and simple terrorism (not particularly uncommon, several countries in the Baltic and Scandinavian region have harbored well-known terrorists from eg the Caucasus before).

Regarding the license plates, supposedly they entered Russia using LDNR plates, so in other words they were likely posing as refugees. Then their vehicle sported both Kazakh and Ukrainian plates according to the FSB, so it's not a wild guess that they used KZ plates while in Moscow, and UA plates when entering Estonia (again as "refugees"?)

Quite the plot.

flamming_python wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:The FSB says that:

"The main suspect is a Ukrainian citizen named Natalya Pavlovna Vovk, born in 1979.

She arrived in Russia on July 23rd together with her daughter, Sofiya Mikhailovna Shaban, born 2010 and rented an apartment close to Darya Dugina's residence. They followed the Dugins for almost a month, using a Mini Cooper on which they changed license plates three times.

The Dugins were booked for the "Traditsiya" festival in Sakharovo, Moscow Oblast, on Saturday, August 20th.

Vovk and Shaban shadowed the Dugins there, and as the festival began and the parking lot had emptied of people, they quickly planted a remotely triggered explosive device (400g TNT equivalent) underneath Dugina's car, right under the driver's position.

As the festival was being wrapped up hours later, they were waiting for the cars to exit the village of Sakharovo, out on the A100 road ("Mozhayskoye hwy") towards Moscow. As soon as the Dugin vehicle was spotted, the device was detonated, right after the car had turned in the intersection.  

Vovk and Shaban left the scene, and exited Russia via Pskov to Estonia the day after, August 21st.

Funds and materials and other support for the attack were provided by the Ukrainian security services."

So, that's the Russian version of events as it stands, I guess. This has some implications, not least the allegation that the suspects escaped directly to EU- and NATO-country Estonia, which I do not think will agree to any form of cooperation, even if it's about plain and simple terrorism (not particularly uncommon, several countries in the Baltic and Scandinavian region have harbored well-known terrorists from eg the Caucasus before).

Regarding the license plates, supposedly they entered Russia using LDNR plates, so in other words they were likely posing as refugees. Then their vehicle sported both Kazakh and Ukrainian plates according to the FSB, so it's not a wild guess that they used KZ plates while in Moscow, and UA plates when entering Estonia (again as "refugees"?)

Quite the plot.

Makes it sound as if her 12-year old daughter is an accomplice

Which clown wrote this story?

ALAMO wrote:That excludes the first claims about "accidental" mistake.
This girl has been targeted deliberately, and seems that in real she had much more valid connections than her father. She gave some lectures at Army 2022, and her psychological evaluations have been published in official military-related education papers for a long time.

flamming_python wrote:

ALAMO wrote:That excludes the first claims about "accidental" mistake.
This girl has been targeted deliberately, and seems that in real she had much more valid connections than her father. She gave some lectures at Army 2022, and her psychological evaluations have been published in official military-related education papers for a long time.

On the contrary, it confirms it. Do me a favour ALAMO, don't take up a career as a PD  

John Mark Dougan mentions that from his info, Alexander Dugin elected to go home separately from Daria after the later wanted to make a stop on the way.

So it was just a fluke that Dugin was not in the car on the way back and decided to travel by other means

The killer could not have known this. As far as she knew, Dugin was in the car. The article mentions that this woman trailed the father and daughter traveling from their home to the festival; implying they arrived in the same car.