Russian ORBAT in the SΜO

To date, PMC "Wagner" does not officially take part in hostilities.

Because the company was dissolved.

Hole wrote:

To date, PMC "Wagner" does not officially take part in hostilities.

Because the company was dissolved.

Some of it was rebranded and this would be the remnants of that along with whatever units they have in Syria and Africa.


sepheronx on Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:34 am

So about 6600 total. Not much. Mind you I would wager the other 20K of men already joined with Russian armed forces then.

These guys would be good to have as trainers as well as used in Africa all over.

Some joined the Regulars and some the Volunteers. Apparently there are companies (80-200 men) of Z-Storm (volunteers/assault troops) attached to each Regular brigade and regiment, which are from the old Wagner forces (convicts, etc).

Updated Ukrainian view of Russian Forces inside the SVO

As of 1.02.2024, the combat personnel of the so-called "United Grouping of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the south-western Theater of Operations", that is, precisely the grouping of the Russian army that operates on the territory of Ukraine:

- personnel – 469.8 thousand military personnel
- tanks (of all types) – 2797 units
- armored combat vehicles, including armored vehicles and multi-purpose tractors and BTR - 7218 units
- artillery systems, caliber from 100 mm - 4843 units
- multiple launch rocket systems – 1142 units
- launchers of tactical and operational-tactical missile systems – 48 units

Currently, in reserve (at all levels), the command of this group has:

- regiments (of all types, types and branches of the armed forces) – 17
- battalions (also of all types, types and branches of the armed forces) – 16
- consolidated and separate tactical detachments ("regiment-battalion" level) – 2

https://t.me/s/zvizdecmanhustu

Figures from the Ukrainians 3 months previously (10/29/2023):

- personnel – 441.7 thousand military personnel
- tanks – 2324 units
- armored combat vehicles, including armored vehicles – 5661 units
- artillery systems, caliber from 100 mm - 3148 units
- multiple launch rocket systems – 982 units
- launchers of the operational-tactical missile system – at least 46 units

Have noticed since around the first of the month that in the daily briefings of the Russian Ministry of Defense there has been no mention of the Zaporozhye direction. Apparently it has been divided between the the Kherson direction and the South Donetsk direction. The division apparently is the 58th Army joining the Kherson direction while the 35th and 5th Armies move to the South Donetsk direction. The dividing line appears to be just East of the Robotyne pocket.

Ukrainian military blogger: https://t.me/s/zvizdecmanhustu

"The command of the so-called "United Grouping of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the South-Western Theater of Operations" (the official name of the Russian strategic group of troops operating on the territory of Ukraine) has made changes in the command structure.

The group of troops (GV) "Zaporizhia" has obviously been eliminated.

The 58th combined arms army of the enemy, operating in the Zaporozhye direction, was transferred to the Dnepr guard. Accordingly, the 35th OVA and everything east of it became part of the Vostok Military District, including the 5th and 36th OVA.

Thus, in addition to the Dnieper—Dnieper direction, Tokmatsko - Melitopolsky also entered the operational zone of the GV Dnepr, and most of the so-called "land corridor" between Crimea and Donbass, that is, the rest of the occupied Azov region, again found itself in the area of responsibility of the GV Vostok."

The Russian Military have made other changes to their command structure within the Special Military Operations:

- the Krasny Liman direction has disappeared this week and divided between the Kupyansk direction and the Donetsk direction.

- the Donetsk direction has been divided into the Avdiivka direction and the Donetsk direction.

- still attempting to determine division lines

The units listed in this thread seem to cover just manevre troops, maybe with some command units.
At least I haven't noticed any of the following kind of units mentioned:
Army air defense units
Artillery units.
Support/logistic units.
Aviation units.
VKO's air defense units.
Missile units.

So, even not counting the units operating just outside the edges of Ukraine, and counting just the troops actually within Crimea and other territories inside pre 2022 borders,
there should be more troops present than the mentioned 470 thousand.

Is that correct?
And if so, is there any estimate as to how many of those military personnel is actually present inside Ukraine?

1. Putin had given a figure of 617,000 Russian forces in the SMO around the time of the 2nd anniversary of it's start.
2. The Ukrainians had given a figure of 470,000 Russian forces inside Ukrainian around the same time.
3. Unknown is what exactly encompasses the SMO for both the Russians and the Ukrainians.
4. Back in my manpower totals for the original 6 directions, I had included manpower from those support units, you ask about, that I was aware of plus estimates of other units needed in the SMO. Suspect Ukrainian manpower estimates would reflect the same.
5. As for breakdown of those inside or outside, suspect the variance between would be 67 to 75% or pretty much the difference between points #1 and 2 above.