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Naval Weapon Systems & Technology
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A state-of-the-art artillery system and anti-torpedo complex are being added to Russia’s naval arsenal, media reports said Friday. Both systems can be found on the four naval corvettes now guarding Russia’s maritime border with six more such ships now under construction, Zvezda TV reported. “The Project 20380 corvettes carry an A-192 cannon and a one-of-a-kind anti-torpedo system,” Navy Commander Admiral Viktor Chirkov said.
The А-192 is a spinoff of the AK-130 gun and uses the same munitions. Its new fiber-electronic module detects targets up to 60 km away, while the onboard computer can simultaneously track four targets. The F-192-5P-10E 130mm artillery complex can be installed on just about any type of ship and is used against aerial, ground and naval targets, including anti-ship cruise missiles. It fires its shells up to 30 times per minute 18 to 23 kilometers away depending on the target.
The Paket E/NK long-range antitorpedo unit — the only such system around — can destroy enemy submarines miles away and if the enemy shoots first, the system’s 320 mm torpedoes can destroy the oncoming “fish” 1,400 meters from the ship. Its M-15 antitorpedo boasts an underwater speed of up to 50 kilometers an hour. Its movement is initially controlled by an onboard inertial system, which later shuts off and an acoustic active-passive self-homing system kicks in. The anti-torpedo’s warhead, packed with high strength blasting explosive of 80 kg of TNT, is equipped with a proximity detonator and is capable of destroying enemy torpedoes at various depths. At the depth of 800 meters the M-15 can knock out an oncoming torpedo as close as 100 meters away.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150731/1025262183.html#ixzz3hTeGOhkt
The А-192 is a spinoff of the AK-130 gun and uses the same munitions. Its new fiber-electronic module detects targets up to 60 km away, while the onboard computer can simultaneously track four targets. The F-192-5P-10E 130mm artillery complex can be installed on just about any type of ship and is used against aerial, ground and naval targets, including anti-ship cruise missiles. It fires its shells up to 30 times per minute 18 to 23 kilometers away depending on the target.
The Paket E/NK long-range antitorpedo unit — the only such system around — can destroy enemy submarines miles away and if the enemy shoots first, the system’s 320 mm torpedoes can destroy the oncoming “fish” 1,400 meters from the ship. Its M-15 antitorpedo boasts an underwater speed of up to 50 kilometers an hour. Its movement is initially controlled by an onboard inertial system, which later shuts off and an acoustic active-passive self-homing system kicks in. The anti-torpedo’s warhead, packed with high strength blasting explosive of 80 kg of TNT, is equipped with a proximity detonator and is capable of destroying enemy torpedoes at various depths. At the depth of 800 meters the M-15 can knock out an oncoming torpedo as close as 100 meters away.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150731/1025262183.html#ixzz3hTeGOhkt
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I wanted to post some interesting pictures, but I did not know where to put them, so I will make this thread for these images, and anyone who has something new or interesting about Russian Naval Technology they can post it here.
So here are some interesting pictures. All pertain to Russian Navy Technology, but are rather broad in their specific topic. Enjoy.
I will post more pictures as these in the future, and will do the same for others, like space and land and air and such.
So here are some interesting pictures. All pertain to Russian Navy Technology, but are rather broad in their specific topic. Enjoy.
I will post more pictures as these in the future, and will do the same for others, like space and land and air and such.
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More Interesting Photos
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More Photos
Maybe next I will do my collection of interesting photos for airforce and army.
Maybe next I will do my collection of interesting photos for airforce and army.
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The development of the defense industry to protect Russian ships from detection systems
The Corporation will station a new visual optical interference on the "Days of Innovation"
The combined instrument-making corporation created station visual optical interference "Rook" to protect warships at night and twilight. The instrument, "dazzling" manpower and optical devices of the enemy, to hide the landing, to protect people and the court on the impact of fire during combat operations.
"Developments in this direction is our pilot plant" Integral ", - said the deputy director of DIC Sergei Skok. - Ship station "Grach" is designed for installation on surface ships of the 2nd class, including amphibious, air-cushion vessels, hydrofoil ships, various boats. "
According to Sergei Skokov, using high-intensity light station suppresses visual-optical and electro-optical observation and aiming devices. This ensures the protection of ships and personnel, performing tasks at sea or in the coastal zone. In fact, it is a powerful weapon that allows you to deal with serious offensive and defensive tasks, but at the same weapon - a non-lethal.
"Rook" is effective during the night and at dusk. The station creates an interference light over a wide spectral range - ultraviolet, visible and infrared regions of the spectrum, disabling including night vision sights. The device is able to change the direction and width of the beam and in case of the need for point-specific objects.
The device can also be used as a power device or a floodlight for transmitting light signal posts ranges meteorological visibility. The station has small dimensions, ensures continuous operation for several hours, while consuming little energy.
"Today, a similar technique in Russia is not doing nobody foreign counterparts are unknown to us, - says Sergey Skok. - In the development of this huge potential, particularly export. It can be used in counter-terrorism operations, and anti antilanding defense. "Rook" - a very effective tool that allows you to reduce the loss of personnel and equipment, the ability to suppress the enemy, have a powerful impact on him, including psychological. This development may be required not only the navies of different countries, border services, and security forces, leading, for example, the fight against sea pirates. "
Ship Station visual optical interference "Rook" will be shown at the international exhibition "Days of Innovation Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation", which will take place October 5-6 in the exhibition and congress center of the military-patriotic recreation park of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation "Patriot".
http://rostec.ru/news/4517278
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magnumcromagnon wrote:The development of the defense industry to protect Russian ships from detection systems
The Corporation will station a new visual optical interference on the "Days of Innovation"
The combined instrument-making corporation created station visual optical interference "Rook" to protect warships at night and twilight. The instrument, "dazzling" manpower and optical devices of the enemy, to hide the landing, to protect people and the court on the impact of fire during combat operations.
"Developments in this direction is our pilot plant" Integral ", - said the deputy director of DIC Sergei Skok. - Ship station "Grach" is designed for installation on surface ships of the 2nd class, including amphibious, air-cushion vessels, hydrofoil ships, various boats. "
According to Sergei Skokov, using high-intensity light station suppresses visual-optical and electro-optical observation and aiming devices. This ensures the protection of ships and personnel, performing tasks at sea or in the coastal zone. In fact, it is a powerful weapon that allows you to deal with serious offensive and defensive tasks, but at the same weapon - a non-lethal.
"Rook" is effective during the night and at dusk. The station creates an interference light over a wide spectral range - ultraviolet, visible and infrared regions of the spectrum, disabling including night vision sights. The device is able to change the direction and width of the beam and in case of the need for point-specific objects.
The device can also be used as a power device or a floodlight for transmitting light signal posts ranges meteorological visibility. The station has small dimensions, ensures continuous operation for several hours, while consuming little energy.
"Today, a similar technique in Russia is not doing nobody foreign counterparts are unknown to us, - says Sergey Skok. - In the development of this huge potential, particularly export. It can be used in counter-terrorism operations, and anti antilanding defense. "Rook" - a very effective tool that allows you to reduce the loss of personnel and equipment, the ability to suppress the enemy, have a powerful impact on him, including psychological. This development may be required not only the navies of different countries, border services, and security forces, leading, for example, the fight against sea pirates. "
Ship Station visual optical interference "Rook" will be shown at the international exhibition "Days of Innovation Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation", which will take place October 5-6 in the exhibition and congress center of the military-patriotic recreation park of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation "Patriot".
http://rostec.ru/news/4517278
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Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
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Morpheus, can you please elaborate how these systems work to protect from detection. Thanks.
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jhelb wrote:Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
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Morpheus, can you please elaborate how these systems work to protect from detection. Thanks.
It's just a navalized DIRCM system, just like the Vitebesk-25 on the Ka52.
EDIT: Seems like it is not only meant against missiles, but other sensors as well.
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Like PAPV anti optical system... basically you scan with a low power laser looking for reflections that would indicate optical systems looking at you... pin point the source of all the optical systems and then direct rather more powerful lasers at those targets to damage them or the operator/sensor.
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jhelb wrote:Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
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Morpheus, can you please elaborate how these systems work to protect from detection. Thanks.
Jhelb,
The system first detects optical threats, usually using an active laser-based optical sensor system. Once the detection is achieved, it suppresses the sensor with one or more beams that are targeted at the target optical sensors.
The method of suppression can involve various power densities and in-band or out-of-band wavelengths.
At the lower power density levels, the suppression is via jamming the sensor. For example, every element (pixel) in a run of-the-mill thermal imager incorporating a focal plane array (FPA) can be easily forced to undergo blooming to a saturation level via the action of the beam on the FPA or on its upstream optics. You don't even need a laser to make the thermal imagers bloom; other sources are also used in some countermeasure systems.
At the higher power density levels, the suppression can involve temporary or permanent blinding of the sensors via thermal effects.
Garry, you posted while I was writing mine.
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GarryB wrote:Like PAPV anti optical system... basically you scan with a low power laser looking for reflections that would indicate optical systems looking at you... pin point the source of all the optical systems and then direct rather more powerful lasers at those targets to damage them or the operator/sensor.
Garry,
As I have "explained" in my previous post, the suppression process doesn't have to involve the damaging of the sensor; it can just jam it.
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Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:At the lower power density levels, the suppression is via jamming the sensor.
Morpheus, great explanation as always, my vote. Just 1 more question. While trying to suppress doesn't the device compromise the position of the ship?
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x_54_u43 wrote:It's just a navalized DIRCM system, just like the Vitebesk-25 on the Ka52.
Do you know of any Ukrainian or Serbian version of a similar naval DIRCM?
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jhelb wrote:Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:At the lower power density levels, the suppression is via jamming the sensor.
Morpheus, great explanation as always, my vote. Just 1 more question. While trying to suppress doesn't the device compromise the position of the ship?
During an active search for the threat optics, a suitable laser detection system can "conceptually" detect the ship that has the DIRCM on it.
During the suppression, the suppressed optics cannot, of course, detect anything. As optical beams don't have any sidelobes to speak of, off-beam detection of the source by a third party would be "difficult".
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Soviet naval SAM against cruise missiles and anti-ship missiles
nastle77 Sat Oct 03, 2015 7:34 pm
Can anyone comment on the effectiveness of soviet era
SA-N-3B 4K65 Shtorm-M V611M - Improved version and 4K33 "OSA-M" (NATO reporting name SA-N-4 "Gecko") against Anti-ship missiles like Harpoon and cruise missiles
Thanks
SA-N-3B 4K65 Shtorm-M V611M - Improved version and 4K33 "OSA-M" (NATO reporting name SA-N-4 "Gecko") against Anti-ship missiles like Harpoon and cruise missiles
Thanks
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As I have "explained" in my previous post, the suppression process doesn't have to involve the damaging of the sensor; it can just jam it.
quite true... to deal with incoming munitions then dazzling the seeker would be enough to ensure a miss and do the job. However some sensors like a snipers scope might require more aggressive action to defeat permanently. These larger naval systems should have plenty of power to damage or destroy enemy optics.
Morpheus, great explanation as always, my vote. Just 1 more question. While trying to suppress doesn't the device compromise the position of the ship?
When used to dazzle the sensor being attacked wont see anything... and it can probable engage multiple targets using mirrors...
During an active search for the threat optics, a suitable laser detection system can "conceptually" detect the ship that has the DIRCM on it.
In the sense that an F-117 could be detected when marking its targets with a laser, but in practise any sensors able to detect the system in the first place in the case of DIRCMs will also be detected in the initial scan and could be attacked too.
Can anyone comment on the effectiveness of soviet era
SA-N-3B 4K65 Shtorm-M V611M - Improved version and 4K33 "OSA-M" (NATO reporting name SA-N-4 "Gecko") against Anti-ship missiles like Harpoon and cruise missiles
I don't know much about the naval SA-N-3 and it is not related to the SA-3 land based system.
The OSA was a capable missile when not subjected to heavy jamming and was able to effectively hit small low flying targets, so its performance against Harpoon should actually be pretty good as long as it sees it in time.
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If anyone cares, few photos of Krivak class frigate Pytlivyy 808 and something that caught my eye.
Now what caught my eye is Thrane & Thrane Sailor FleetBroadband (500?) on that second picture on the right.
More about it here: http://www.globecommsystems.com/maritime/thrane-thrane-sailor-500.shtml
Thrane & Thrane Sailor 500 FleetBroadband gives you:
- High-speed data up to 432kbps
- IP streaming of speeds up to 256kpbs
- ISDN 64k and 3.1kHz Audio service
- Complete management of connectivity
- Durable antenna
- Up to 16 IP Handsets
- Multiple interfaces including Ethernet(PoE), RJ11, USB, L-Band and I/O
- A web interface for ease of use
Now what caught my eye is Thrane & Thrane Sailor FleetBroadband (500?) on that second picture on the right.
More about it here: http://www.globecommsystems.com/maritime/thrane-thrane-sailor-500.shtml
Thrane & Thrane Sailor 500 FleetBroadband gives you:
- High-speed data up to 432kbps
- IP streaming of speeds up to 256kpbs
- ISDN 64k and 3.1kHz Audio service
- Complete management of connectivity
- Durable antenna
- Up to 16 IP Handsets
- Multiple interfaces including Ethernet(PoE), RJ11, USB, L-Band and I/O
- A web interface for ease of use
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Tolstoy wrote:x_54_u43 wrote:It's just a navalized DIRCM system, just like the Vitebesk-25 on the Ka52.
Do you know of any Ukrainian or Serbian version of a similar naval DIRCM?
Serbian? Right, we cant build a TV atm
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I should add that the naval cruise missiles are launched from the UKSK launcher... which is of a fixed size and is designed to carry a range of missiles including the 2.5 ton Yakhont/Onyx/Brahmos family of missiles that wont fit through a 533mm torpedo tube like the Granat had to.
The newer vertical launch tube means much larger and heavier missiles can be launched which allows for much longer range missiles to be developed and carried.
Note 2.5 tons would mean even Kh-101/102 could be carried if made compatible...
The newer vertical launch tube means much larger and heavier missiles can be launched which allows for much longer range missiles to be developed and carried.
Note 2.5 tons would mean even Kh-101/102 could be carried if made compatible...
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His name is Papa Dragon though Papa and Daddy means same. 
Meanwhile Putin confirmed that Russia has new ALCM with range of 4500 km (the answer on video from 10.55 min): http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2830342
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max steel wrote:
Meanwhile Putin confirmed that Russia has new ALCM with range of 4500 km (the answer on video from 10.55 min): http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2830342
He say's it's a airborne version, which probably means something like Kh-101/2, or unless he's talking about the air-launched 3M-14.
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Duhhh....it was a joke you goose
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Why does Russia have 2 separate VLS, Redut and UKSK, as opposed to 1 like US, Mk. 41?
If I recall, they both have the same length and width (.9 x .9?)
If I recall, they both have the same length and width (.9 x .9?)
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Why does Russia have 2 separate VLS, Redut and UKSK, as opposed to 1 like US, Mk. 41?
If I recall, they both have the same length and width (.9 x .9?)
Actually it has lots of VLS... the Rif VLS on the Kirovs could only launch S-300F SAMs for medium and long range defence, while the Klintok VLS could only launch missiles based on the land based TOR SAM for point defence, the Shtil-1 VLS is another vertical launcher for a medium range SAM based on the land based BUK.
They are unifying their cruise/anti ship/anti sub missile launchers into one unified launcher called UKSK. They are also unifying some of their SAM systems into the Redut VLS.
There is talk of integrating their UKSK with Redut but it does not make as much sense for the Russians as it did for the US because the UKSK carries enormous supersonic anti ship missiles... to use them to carry even fairly large SAMs would be inefficient... unless there was a capacity to multipack missiles.