Russian Civil Aviation: News

Nice find Austin. 

If Russian national airlines and its defense/state agencies where to buy Russian civil aircraft only it would be a stunning success. 

All the other foreign orders would than come as a bonus.

Any idea what type of civil planes will constitute number 60?

KLA in 2014, will increase the production of civilian aircraft by 1.5 times - up to 60

Mostly Superjets.

Btw, 26th serial flew recently.

http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/35871/

Viktor , TR1 is right its mostly Superjet , they have over promised and under delivered on Superjet Production they need to get quick up and running as competition is not waiting for them.

As far as Russian national airline buying Russian Aircraft , Thats really difficult beyond a certain point because its a competitive world and you cant force Russian Airline to buy aircraft , Look at the rate at which B 737 and A 320 being purchased while Tu-204SM is having hard time finding customers beyond government buy.

There is also a serious issue of how much airline Russian Carrier need within a specific time and how much UAC can deliver , the disaster of Russian Civil Aviation is on Production Front , Unlike the lego production like apparatus Boeing and AIrbus has that can deliver 100 of aircraft in a single year UAC production has been gasping delivering few 10's

But UAC realises this and is working on building automated production line that can scale up to deliver in Numbers.

Another thing is Russian Aircraft needs to be more advanced and competitive compared to what West has as Russians are small players in this business , so they really need to make aircraft better then what West has to let an airliner buy it as Boeing/Airbus can try the usual FUD about Russian Planes.

Another thing is they need to develop global support model that can deliver spares in time Boeing/Airbus can which mean deleoping warehouses , stocking material and support model that is quick and responsive.

MS-21 and Superjet is certainly promising opening and is a small window of opportunity to create a niche for Russian Airlines in global market.

Hopefully Tu-204SM finds some private airlines that can operate it as its a beautiful aircraft and is in no way inferior to 737-800/NG class jet but its not superior to boeing/airbus as MS-21 .

Earlier this year, Pogosyan mentioned that 18 Superjets will be built.
With the 9th Superjet flown by mid-year, things are on schedule.
3 AN-148s have been completed thus far this year too. Probably a total of 6 for the year is planned.
The AN-140 (with one completed thus far) is behind schedule. They said they can make six per year.
The balance will come from Tu-204/214 series, Il-96, Il-76 and Be-200.
It will be a great achievement if they can make 40 non-combat aircraft this year. Just a few years ago, they were struggling to complete a dozen per year.

Well this is a huge increase

NPO "Saturn" in 2014 may increase the production of SaM146 engines for aircraft "Sukhoi Superjet-100" to 90 units

MOSCOW, July 8. (ARMS-TASS). The following year, NPO "Saturn" is able to produce 90 SaM146 engines for aircraft "Sukhoi Superjet-100". This was announced today at a press conference, managing director Ilya Fedorov, ITAR-TASS reported.
"Right now capacity - 4 engine in a month, 2 months 6 engines will be the end of the year - 8 engines a month," - he said, adding that the production of engines depends on the number of aircraft that are in stock.
"In the start of this year are 60 engines. Next year, we will be able to do 90 cars," - said the plans "Saturn" Fedorov, noting that there are plans to reach an annual production of 150 engines.

LINK

Superjet Delivery To Test Western Market

SSJ-100 makes crash landing in Iceland

http://english.ruvr.ru/news/2013_07_21/SSJ-100-makes-a-crash-landing-in-Iceland-6113/

A Sukhoi Superjet 100 has crash-landed at Keflavik International Airport in Iceland, a source with Isavia airlines has told reporters.

The airliner crashed while landing on Sunday morning. There were no casualties. No other details have been revealed so far.

According to Iceland media, the plane was carrying out a gear-up landing. It damaged one of the engines on landing and came to rest in the grass past the end of the runway.

Austin wrote:SSJ-100 makes crash landing in Iceland

http://english.ruvr.ru/news/2013_07_21/SSJ-100-makes-a-crash-landing-in-Iceland-6113/

A Sukhoi Superjet 100 has crash-landed at Keflavik International Airport in Iceland, a source with Isavia airlines has told reporters.

The airliner crashed while landing on Sunday morning. There were no casualties. No other details have been revealed so far.

According to Iceland media, the plane was carrying out a gear-up landing. It damaged one of the engines on landing and came to rest in the grass past the end of the runway.

Glad to hear people are fine. I couldn't care less about this piece of junk known as the SSJ-100. The aircraft is supposed to be pinnacle of technology by pretty much importing everything. Thing is, this jet is no better than what the Tu-204SM is, and the Tu-204SM uses far more domestic technology. If sukhoi wanted to do something for civil aircraft market, they should have just developed Tu-204SM into their own variant and rename it to something else, so they could get more spare parts as well as work with domestic industries rather than foreign.

SSJ Belly Landed one crew injured , Reportedly one engine shut down or had some problems

sepheronx wrote:Glad to hear people are fine.  I couldn't care less about this piece of junk known as the SSJ-100.  The aircraft is supposed to be pinnacle of technology by pretty much importing everything.  Thing is, this jet is no better than what the Tu-204SM is, and the Tu-204SM uses far more domestic technology.  If sukhoi wanted to do something for civil aircraft market, they should have just developed Tu-204SM into their own variant and rename it to something else, so they could get more spare parts as well as work with domestic industries rather than foreign.

I hope you understand SSJ is the only aircraft now that has 180 Firm Orders Internationally and Nationally .... SSJ is 40 % Russian system while rest is imported , the very Sucessful Embraer is just 5 % Brazil and rest is imported system.

Tu-204SM is in 737/A-320 class infact bigger and on fuel consumption its not competitive to them and it has no firm order till date not even locally , the competitor for future is MS-21.

Austin wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Glad to hear people are fine.  I couldn't care less about this piece of junk known as the SSJ-100.  The aircraft is supposed to be pinnacle of technology by pretty much importing everything.  Thing is, this jet is no better than what the Tu-204SM is, and the Tu-204SM uses far more domestic technology.  If sukhoi wanted to do something for civil aircraft market, they should have just developed Tu-204SM into their own variant and rename it to something else, so they could get more spare parts as well as work with domestic industries rather than foreign.

I hope you understand SSJ is the only aircraft now that has 180 Firm Orders Internationally and Nationally .... SSJ is 40 % Russian system while rest is imported , the very Sucessful Embraer is just 5 % Brazil and rest is imported system.

Tu-204SM is in 737/A-320 class infact bigger and on fuel consumption its not competitive to them and it has no firm order till date not even locally , the competitor for future is MS-21.

PS-90A2 engines are supposed to actually have similar characteristics and fuel saving measures as those used on the 737 and A-320, which the Tu-204SM is supposed to get. I would say it is a great sounding jet and probably is a better civil jet overall. Politics stands in the way though.

I guess the imported technology though does give Russia access to markets that it may traditionally not have.

Tu-204 Program is lost cause as far as big international sale goes , its not competitive against modern Boeing 737 and A-320 ...only few will be sold like cuba or may be Iran.

Tu-204SM may be acquired in some numbers by domestic carrier and state.

PS-90A2 or A3 wont make much dent in its sales internationally , even MS-21 has tough time selling abroad

Austin wrote:Tu-204 Program is lost cause as far as big international sale goes , its not competitive against modern Boeing 737 and A-320 ...only few will be sold like cuba or may be Iran.

Tu-204SM may be acquired in some numbers by domestic carrier and state.

PS-90A2 or A3 wont make much dent in its sales internationally , even MS-21 has tough time selling abroad

Reason why MS-21 is a tough sale, is because it isn't even out yet, it barely exists.  You cant sell a promise, but a physical object.  MS-21 may very well get large sales as soon after it is completed and already in some numbers.  So far, orders for MS-21 is 200+, but that is on wikipedia.

Tu-204SM and Tu-214 are very competitive jets.  Just that the Tu-204 line does have a bad image, and a bad image will destroy potential for further orders in the future. With 200+ orders for MS-21, Irkutsk will sit nicely on a ton of cash, not to mention already is from the Su-30MKI (and variant) deals, Yak-130 and A-50 (with prospects for A-100) gives Irkutsk plant some nice moola, where they can invest in the MS-21 and upkeep its development.

Just because you say its competitive does not mean the world or the international buyer think it is

Its not competitive against the likes of Boeing and Aibus in its class and that is all that matters hence no sale.

Airline industry is competitive and Russia is a very small player in Civil Market time lost is opportunity lost.

UAC chairman himself said that Tu-204SM wont have international sale.

Austin wrote:Just because you say its competitive does not mean the world or the international buyer think it is

Its not competitive against the likes of Boeing and Aibus in its class and that is all that matters hence no sale.

Airline industry is competitive and Russia is a very small player in Civil Market time lost is opportunity lost.

UAC chairman himself said that Tu-204SM wont have international sale.

It wont have international sales because there is no domestic sales. If Russian companies wont purchase it, you think various internationals will?

MS-21 has all Russian prospects right now. Then take into account that with that, they very may well gain international markets, especially those in latin america, and post soviet countries (with some middle eastern countries as well). With a strong sale, it will allow components to be cheaper overall, as well as spare parts in more circulation.

Tu-204SM would have similar seating capacity as 737, as well as with its more modern engines, would give it more or less the same fuel economy as those on CFM56 turbojet engines.

Russian companies wont buy because a Airbus can give better economy and more profits and private airline and Aeroflot want to get most profit from aircraft.

Tu-204SM is more in 757 class bigger than 737 because they have 215 seats.

Austin wrote:Russian companies wont buy because a Airbus can give better economy and more profits and private airline and Aeroflot want to get most profit from aircraft.

Tu-204SM is more in 757 class bigger than 737 because they have 215 seats.

Because they may underbid.

Anyway, even MS-21 has huge amounts of imported equipment, which is not good at all for Russian domestic industries, especially in avionics equipment (don't give me that bullshit that they are not as good).  Seriously, these projects are barely Russian. The entirety of these projects is easy/quick cash, not to save the domestic industries. The domestic industries for civil aircrafts are now as good as dead, even with these two projects. Russia might as well just continue on building components for Airbus/Boeing, and hope that they can get assembly as well as other contracts for other components in the Boeing Jets.

sepheronx wrote:

Austin wrote:SSJ-100 makes crash landing in Iceland

http://english.ruvr.ru/news/2013_07_21/SSJ-100-makes-a-crash-landing-in-Iceland-6113/

A Sukhoi Superjet 100 has crash-landed at Keflavik International Airport in Iceland, a source with Isavia airlines has told reporters.

The airliner crashed while landing on Sunday morning. There were no casualties. No other details have been revealed so far.

According to Iceland media, the plane was carrying out a gear-up landing. It damaged one of the engines on landing and came to rest in the grass past the end of the runway.

Glad to hear people are fine.  I couldn't care less about this piece of junk known as the SSJ-100.  The aircraft is supposed to be pinnacle of technology by pretty much importing everything.  Thing is, this jet is no better than what the Tu-204SM is, and the Tu-204SM uses far more domestic technology.  If sukhoi wanted to do something for civil aircraft market, they should have just developed Tu-204SM into their own variant and rename it to something else, so they could get more spare parts as well as work with domestic industries rather than foreign.

You could not be more wrong.

The Superjet is actually competitive.
The Tu-204 is even in the latest incrnations not cutting edge in any way.

If they did it your way, the Superjet would have 1/10th the export orders it does today.

Precious cargo.

Sukhoi Superjet Damaged In Iceland Landing Accident

Sukhoi says a Superjet 100 involved in a wheels-up landing at Reykjavik Keflavik International Airport in Iceland on July 21 will be repaired and returned to the test program.

The Russian manufacturer says the fourth development aircraft, which joined the program in 2010, was in the final phases of autoland certification testing when the accident occurred on the airport’s runway 11. The aircraft, with five onboard, was conducting Cat IIIA autoland tests in crosswinds as well as simulated single-engine approaches.

Testing had been underway for more than 1 hr. 20 min. when the accident took place. After conducting most of the approaches to runway 20, the crew overflew runway 11 and made a wide turn over the sea before returning for a landing. Reports from Iceland indicate the landing gear was not down as it touched down with the aircraft coming to a stop in the grass beyond the end of the runway. Sukhoi reports that one of the two certification officials on board was injured during the subsequent evacuation. It adds that “at the time of the incident all aircraft systems were functioning normally.”

TR1 wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

Austin wrote:SSJ-100 makes crash landing in Iceland

http://english.ruvr.ru/news/2013_07_21/SSJ-100-makes-a-crash-landing-in-Iceland-6113/

A Sukhoi Superjet 100 has crash-landed at Keflavik International Airport in Iceland, a source with Isavia airlines has told reporters.

The airliner crashed while landing on Sunday morning. There were no casualties. No other details have been revealed so far.

According to Iceland media, the plane was carrying out a gear-up landing. It damaged one of the engines on landing and came to rest in the grass past the end of the runway.

Glad to hear people are fine.  I couldn't care less about this piece of junk known as the SSJ-100.  The aircraft is supposed to be pinnacle of technology by pretty much importing everything.  Thing is, this jet is no better than what the Tu-204SM is, and the Tu-204SM uses far more domestic technology.  If sukhoi wanted to do something for civil aircraft market, they should have just developed Tu-204SM into their own variant and rename it to something else, so they could get more spare parts as well as work with domestic industries rather than foreign.

You could not be more wrong.

The Superjet is actually competitive.
The Tu-204 is even in the latest incrnations not cutting edge in any way.

If they did it your way, the Superjet would have 1/10th the export orders it does today.

 
It is doing the Sukhoi administrators and some workers good, but majority of the industry itself, not so much.  Since this is mostly imported goods, it is about as good as assembling jets from other countries.  Hence why I don't think the project is really all that good for the civil aviation industry in Russia.  Hell, the landing gears, brakes, wheels are from outside for christ sakes.
 
This and MS-21 will surely give the Irkutsk industry and Sukhoi industry lots of money, but really, just them and no one else.  Russian engines are competitive, they can obtain competitive avionics from Russia as well (sorry, but replacing all analoge systems with just ipad like displays does not make it any more super advanced.
 
Explain to me how Tu-204SM is less cutting edge?  It has probably your favorite, all glass displays, it has advanced engines, it used a lot of composite materials (like Tu-214), and E-Pilot.  What more do you want?  Leather seats from Italy rather than leathre seats from Russia?
 
What these did do though, is open the option of selling the jets to markets that they may not have to begin with.  But even they are having a difficult time because those markets are already dominated by Boeing and Airbus.  So I am kinda hoping that these projects fail, so they can go back to the drawing board and realise that throwing a bunch of "foreign" equipment will not make a better jet.  What makes a better jet is having better options and prices than other jets.

Do you understand how the airliner industry works?

All domestic, can't work for anyone. LET ALONE Russia, with its crap state in many ways, today.
THe reason the Superjet has orders, and the MS-21 has orders, is because they are modern, international programs.


Nobody wants the Tu-204 because it is nothing more than a band aid temporary program. Not even Russian companies. PS-90 isn't cutting edge, and it is not competitive with the latest offerings in the airliner engine world. The rest of the airframe offers pretty much nothing for a customer to look at it as opposed to a Boeing or Airbus.
Add an unclear and slow delivery schedule, no support network around the world....yeah, forget the Tu-204. It will end up in the dustbin of history along with Il-96, Tu334, etc etc, aside from government birds.

Much of the Superjet is Russian; where it is performance-wise or economically better, they went with foreign components. That is how any modern airliner is made.
An-148 is more Ukranian/Russian than Superjet- and what do you know, it is struggling to get any orders.

The Superjet and the MS-21 are exactly the right kind of programs to rebuild a Russian presence in the international airliner market.

Your argument sounds no different from all the Russian Superjet critics stuck in their "We could do it ourselves! Tu-334 was killed because of Superjet" thinking.
It is archaic and laughably wrong.

I suggest you at least make an attempt to educate yourself on the topic before lecturing us.
Here is a good place to start:
http://superjet.wikidot.com/myths

Same things I hear all the time, problem is, who is this doing good to?  As well, whom are the main buyers?  So far, majority of buyers are domestic, while only few international.  MS-21 has no international orders so far, and only domestic.  yet they are using imported equipment for domestic use?
 
http://www.airframer.com/aircraft_detail.html?model=SuperJet_100
 
So far, it really only comes down to airframe that is Russian, rest really isn't. At least MS-21 is using Avionika that is working along side of Rockwell Collins, rather than directly importing like it is on SSJ-100.  Regardless of what is happening, it seems that they have to rely on Russian sales because foreign sales are pretty piss poor as it is.  Because other models are using poorly chosen components/avionics, does not mean that they cannot produce it.   They are using outside components in hopes to sell the aircraft to others, but so far, only orders here and there from Indonesia and Laos may not do its justice, with only hopes that Mexico stays with the amount of orders it has.  If that fails, then SSJ may end up as a failure on international market.
 
PS-90A2 engines are to have similar fuel consumption rating compared to modern western jet engines for regional jets, as well as it is supposed to have much lower maintenance costs.  PS-90 being much more powerful engines (17,400 Kgf; 38,400 lbf (171 kN) vs 76.84 kN (17,270 lbf)), its fuel consumption is not much more.
 
I would not be bitching about it, if there was more cooperation in the field of at least allowing Russia to produce, on contract of course, the equipment.  I am saying if Rockwell Collins allows Avionica to develop the avionics equipment in Russia (like Thales does for the Optronic systmes), as well as wheels/landing gears where made in Russia, even if from foreign companies, would actually do WONDERS for the Russian civil aviation industry, not what is happening now.

PD-14 engines, which is the future for MS-21, are based heavily on PS-90A engines as well. So PS-90A engines are probably get more love than the SaM416.

Airline companies are not state entities.
You cannot dictate for them to buy domestic if it uncompetitive (read, everything before Superjet) anymore, not in a market as tight as airlines. Superjet has quite a few exports, and Irkut is in talk with other nations as well. It already has intent to buy from other nations.

Read the link I posted. IT deals with pretty much every myth, from "Non Russian!" to "Killed the Russian air industry!".

Compared to previous Russian airliners, it is already far more succesfull in export. A reputation and network of suppor needs to be built up.

http://superjet.wikidot.com/sales

Also a good one about MS-21

http://mc-21.wikidot.com/