Russian Civil Aviation: News

TR1 wrote:Options are not orders. Some of them are frozen contracts from years ago.

I'm stupid but I'm not *that* stupid.

You may be right, but from what I've heard it is something over 200 firm with options for more. That's not a ton, but it is something for sure.

Airliners.net has a thread that tracked the # of orders for the SSJ, but I can't seem to find it.

Last I checked the firm order was around 160, with another 24 options from those customers.
Recently there were some more minor orders and 20 from Aeroflot.

The rest are less clear.

No need for airliners.net, Superjet Wikidot has it all.

kvs wrote:

Honesroc wrote:...While I'm sure they'll manufacture a couple hundred aircraft within 20 years, I'm just as sure it won't be 1,000.

That's a hilariously vapid, butthurt post.   The SSJ-100 has 296 orders already.   Yet the MC-21 will not sell more than 200 in 20 years?

He didn't say anything like "not more than 200", he just said he's sure it won't be 1,000.  I.e. 300, 400, 500, 800 are all all legit.  

...Anyhow, I'm pretty sure that "within 20 years" SSJ-100 will have a re-engine (along with carbon wings and other modifications)
which will maintain it's desirability vis-a-vis global competitors in the sector, accounting for which makes the 1,000 figure more than plausible...

TR1 wrote:Last I checked the firm order was around 160, with another 24 options from those customers.
Recently there were some more minor orders and 20 from Aeroflot.

The rest are less clear.

No need for airliners.net, Superjet Wikidot has it all.

I'll look more later, as for now, the more sources the merrier. The 200 figure includes all recent deals, so that could explain the gap in different sources' figures.

Add another 8 planes on the order list for the SSJ. The Ministry of Emergency Services has signed a contract for 8 SSJs and 10 Il-76-90TD.

http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/57742/

By the way, It is not right to use SSJ orders to forecast MS-21 orders. These are two planes in different classes. The market for narrow-body mainstream airliners (where MS-21 will be competing) is larger than the market for regional jets (where SSJ belongs).
I don't know if 1000 MS-21 airplanes will be built in 20 years, the future will tell. But I don't expect Russian airlines to order any Airbus A-320 and Boeing 737 series airplanes in the foreseeable future.

I won't dignify some of the comments my post received, suffice to say this: Do I welcome competition on the global market? Yes, I'm looking forward to the day when the MC-21 program takes flight. That said, I don't see Russia producing 1,000 airframes in a twenty year-span, particularly given the success of the A320 and 737 programs.

Rogozin's statement ignores a lot of economic variables in Russia, and more importantly, the narrow-body market which will continue to be dominated by Boeing/Airbus (and yes, it is saturated). I stand by my remarks as they pertain to the MC-21 program.

Man, the SSJ-100 and MS-21 (will be at least) the best selling civil aircrafts in Russia's history. Even if they don't sell a thousand or half of that. Just means that they really have stepped up their game in civil technology.

kvs wrote:

Honesroc wrote:I won't dignify some of the comments my post received, suffice to say this: Do I welcome competition on the global market? Yes, I'm looking forward to the day when the MC-21 program takes flight. That said, I don't see Russia producing 1,000 airframes in a twenty year-span, particularly given the success of the A320 and 737 programs.

Rogozin's statement ignores a lot of economic variables in Russia, and more importantly, the narrow-body market which will continue to be dominated by Boeing/Airbus (and yes, it is saturated). I stand by my remarks as they pertain to the MC-21 program.

Still spewing MP.net style butthurt without providing any sources to your claim.   Why should anyone take seriously your obviously biased
assessment?   You are just trolling.

Predictions are just predictions.  Some people here are pessimistic and some others like you or I, are not.  I myself don't believe to see 1000 MS-21's, but I do see a couple hundred or more built. Wiki's numbers on SSJ-100 is at 296: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Superjet_100#Orders.2C_deliveries_and_operators for orders. Now it is up to others what their numbers show.

kvs wrote:Still spewing MP.net style butthurt without providing any sources to your claim.   Why should anyone take seriously your obviously biased
assessment?   You are just trolling.

My remarks are based in reality, not Rogozin's word. Deal with it.

Honesroc wrote:

kvs wrote:Still spewing MP.net style butthurt without providing any sources to your claim.   Why should anyone take seriously your obviously biased
assessment?   You are just trolling.

My remarks are based in reality, not Rogozin's word. Deal with it.

It unfortunately cannot be based upon reality since the Jet isn't made yet and it has not been 20 years since start of production. This statement from you gives me the indication you are only here for trolling. A minister in charge of many of these institutions has a better insight than either you or I.

One more thing.. Aircraft orders often fluctuate over time, and the success of a program like the MC-21 (or any other airframe for that matter) simply won't derive from that number. The A380 is a prime example of this point.

Honesroc wrote:One more thing.. Aircraft orders often fluctuate over time, and the success of a program like the MC-21 (or any other airframe for that matter) simply won't derive from that number. The A380 is a prime example of this point.

Fair enough. But we need to wait till these times come. Predicting is pointless because I highly doubt anyone here predicted the current situation. BTW, many airliners are facing major issues currently thanks to not only sanctions and scare flying due to the incidences (of boeing aircrafts) in Asia and over Ukraine, but also because people are now effectively getting poorer throughout the world. So maybe orders could be even less, all depends on the situation 5 years from now.

sepheronx wrote:

Honesroc wrote:

kvs wrote:Still spewing MP.net style butthurt without providing any sources to your claim.   Why should anyone take seriously your obviously biased
assessment?   You are just trolling.

My remarks are based in reality, not Rogozin's word. Deal with it.

It unfortunately cannot be based upon reality since the Jet isn't made yet and it has not been 20 years since start of production.  This statement from you gives me the indication you are only here for trolling.  A minister in charge of many of these institutions has a better insight than either you or I.

My overall point is that Rogozin was posturing when he said that Russia would produce 1000 MC-21 airframes within 20 years.

kvs wrote:

TR1 wrote:The SSJ does not have 296 orders.

Way to argue with disinformation.

Ok, sunshine, prove it.  I have one source that says it is 296.   Give us numbers from your sources.

Your full time job on this board is to piss on Russia.   Give it up, the Sukhoi SSJ-100 is lost cause for
you twits.   First you liberasts claimed it was varpourware, then you claimed it would get no orders
now you are quibbling about the rate of orders.

What a bunch of losers.

No, idiot. I argued for the SSJ in THIS VERY THREAD.
I was in favor of the project. Just because you don't know shit about it and post wrong numbers, doesn't mean I hate SSJ.

Superjet.wikidot.

Go read it, and open your mouth when you have.

sepheronx wrote:

Honesroc wrote:One more thing.. Aircraft orders often fluctuate over time, and the success of a program like the MC-21 (or any other airframe for that matter) simply won't derive from that number. The A380 is a prime example of this point.

Fair enough.  But we need to wait till these times come.  Predicting is pointless because I highly doubt anyone here predicted the current situation.  BTW, many airliners are facing major issues currently thanks to not only sanctions and scare flying due to the incidences (of boeing aircrafts) in Asia and over Ukraine, but also because people are now effectively getting poorer throughout the world.  So maybe orders could be even less, all depends on the situation 5 years from now.

Agreed

sepheronx wrote:

kvs wrote:

Honesroc wrote:I won't dignify some of the comments my post received, suffice to say this: Do I welcome competition on the global market? Yes, I'm looking forward to the day when the MC-21 program takes flight. That said, I don't see Russia producing 1,000 airframes in a twenty year-span, particularly given the success of the A320 and 737 programs.

Rogozin's statement ignores a lot of economic variables in Russia, and more importantly, the narrow-body market which will continue to be dominated by Boeing/Airbus (and yes, it is saturated). I stand by my remarks as they pertain to the MC-21 program.

Still spewing MP.net style butthurt without providing any sources to your claim.   Why should anyone take seriously your obviously biased
assessment?   You are just trolling.

Predictions are just predictions.  Some people here are pessimistic and some others like you or I, are not.  I myself don't believe to see 1000 MS-21's, but I do see a couple hundred or more built.  Wiki's numbers on SSJ-100 is at 296: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Superjet_100#Orders.2C_deliveries_and_operators for orders.  Now it is up to others what their numbers show.

This is hilarious, given the sort of shit and ignorance you spewed about the Superjet.

http://superjet.wikidot.com/sales

An ACTUAL Superjet website made by ACTUAL Russians.
Posting Wiki over this is hilarious.

Honesroc wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

Honesroc wrote:

kvs wrote:Still spewing MP.net style butthurt without providing any sources to your claim.   Why should anyone take seriously your obviously biased
assessment?   You are just trolling.

My remarks are based in reality, not Rogozin's word. Deal with it.

It unfortunately cannot be based upon reality since the Jet isn't made yet and it has not been 20 years since start of production.  This statement from you gives me the indication you are only here for trolling.  A minister in charge of many of these institutions has a better insight than either you or I.

My overall point is that Rogozin was posturing when he said that Russia would produce 1000 MC-21 airframes within 20 years.

Rogozin is always talking out of his ass.

That is why the dolts around here love him, same thought process.

@TR1

Agreed! Lol... You read my mind