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    Royal Navy - Fleet Air Arm: News

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    Post  TMA1 Sat Mar 02, 2024 11:08 pm

    I know it is late to reply but the national interest article on the UK carrier crisis had a hilarious quote I had to share here. It said the aircraft carrier had many capabilities--

    "including full airwing, Royal Marines, and even refugees if required."

    lolol

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    Post  GarryB Sun Mar 03, 2024 5:29 am

    Could it be adapted to launch Mig29k?

    Maybe India could be interested.

    MiG-29Ks should be able to operate from it no problem... would benefit if they added a bigger ramp at the front... but the real question would be... why would India pay 6 or 7 billion for an unreliable carrier, when they can make their own for a fraction of that price and the money would be spent in their own economy.

    Those SM-2s are the most curious thing.
    It is rather a potent missile, and Hessen is the latest in all of Sachsen class

    Well that is the thing... the Americans don't normally do good air defence, but in the case of their aircraft carriers and navy they are actually rather good normally.

    The Soviets and Russia didn't develop Zircon for fun, it was to penetrate the air defences of the US Navy to destroy aircraft carriers... with enemy AWACS aircraft and interceptor aircraft operating they knew speed would be the only solution because their aircraft and ships and subs couldn't carry enough anti ship missiles to overwhelm a US carrier group with ships and subs and aircraft with anti aircraft missiles in abundance.

    Missing a quite big, slow, and high-flying drone with TWO missiles in a row is kinda unusual.
    I would blame here some technological solutions that hamper the missile to hit US-operated airplanes.
    And I wouldn't be surprised if the Germans are a bit surprised by the fact

    Well an IFF system would have meant the missiles wouldn't be fired in the first place, but a secret code/system that prevents solid products from hitting the assets of the US of A is another interesting prospect.

    All the Houthies need to do is examine those US drones they shoot down and find any signal system that protects them from US based air defence systems and their missiles will get through every time.
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    Post  ALAMO Sun Mar 03, 2024 5:46 pm

    Exactly my point.
    I have excluded IFF issue, as it wouldn't allow the plane to be shot at, first of all.

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    Post  Isos Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:29 pm

    When your main reason to sell it is it doesn't work as expected, you won't find any customer.

    Indians make their own carriers. They won't buy this broken carrier when making their own respect all their requirements and creates jobs in India.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:19 pm

    GarryB wrote:MiG-29Ks should be able to operate from it no problem... would benefit if they added a bigger ramp at the front... but the real question would be... why would India pay 6 or 7 billion for an unreliable carrier, when they can make their own for a fraction of that price and the money would be spent in their own economy.

    Well at the end it is an already built carrier that should be at least capable to move itself.

    The main problem is to understand if the issue it had in the past like the malfunction to the propeller shaft are fully solved or not.

    Of course India should not pay 6 billions for it.

    100 millions should be even too much to buy something that otherwise is destined to be scrap.

    It would need of course to have arrestor wires retrofitted into it and to possibly to have the sky jump (the ramp) modified.

    In addition it would need at least proper short range anti air defense. As it is like now it is useless.

    Indian shipyards could take the work into making it a proper STOBAR carrier (as long as its propulsion system would not stop working if it is too warm or too cold)

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    Post  GarryB Sun Mar 03, 2024 11:29 pm

    Even if India wanted to buy it the Brits would gut it of electronics and systems it will claim are HATO and super secret... which probably wouldn't matter because they probably aren't very reliable either.

    It would need of course to have arrestor wires retrofitted into it and to possibly to have the sky jump (the ramp) modified.

    That is funny... I only just noticed that these British carriers are not angled deck carriers... they are more like pocket carriers for the Harrier but scaled up a little.

    That makes them even less useful because even with arresting wires you would need to clear the deck before trying to land because if the aircraft misses the cables or the cables break then it will need to be able to takeoff again so the deck would need to be clear to allow that.

    Most of the time the hangars carry the aircraft, but when a carrier is operational they keep most of the aircraft on deck so they can be fuelled and armed and launched quickly.

    The hangar is only used for repair and when not operating in a war zone so having to clear the deck for landings limits the aircraft carriers performance by a significant margin.

    The whole purpose of an angled deck is to allow landings and takeoffs at the same time.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Mar 03, 2024 11:55 pm

    Basically they built two over expensive and uselessly large VTOL carriers, which do not have any amphibious capabilities (differently from the smaller but much more useful America class LHD), cannot carry real aircrafts and do not even have proper anti air defense.

    But maybe they could be salvaged. Russia already converted a Kiev class (a VTOL aircraft carrying cruiser) into a proper STOBAR carrier with angled deck for India.

    At the end Indians needed anyway to import most of the internal systems for their latest carrier (Vikrant) which has 4 American GE gas turbine engines.

    The British carrier instead has 2 Rolls-Royce marine Trent gas turbine engine and 2 Wärtsilä diesel engines.
    In theory they should not be less reliable than the American engines on their other carrier.

    And, if India gets that, they could even think about giving back former admiral Gorshkov carrier to Russia ...
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    Post  George1 Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:51 pm

    James Cartlidge MP, the Minister of State at the Ministry of Defence, outlined the Royal Navy’s existing capabilities, which include Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles from Astute Class Submarines, Paveway IV precision-guided bombs from F-35Bs, and the ongoing integration of the Naval Strike Missile on surface ships.

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/what-are-the-royal-navys-land-attack-capabilities/

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